2021 Grand Final: Souths v Penrith Oct 3rd

[Gary Gutful]

Only an idiot compares era’s, a champion of one era would be a champion of any other era. Gary and Pou love talking down the club and our past champions. I’m frankly disgusted and appalled and it needs to f**king stop!!

Tells us our players are overrated and then mentions blokes like Lamb and Miller bahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!

The Townsville heat has melted your brain Guts.

I mentioned plenty of players including two immortals.

I also never said our players are overrated.

I am on the money with this one and you’ve just responded with sarcastic meaningless plop as always you ploppy bag of plop!

 

[Gary Gutful]

People forget so quickly. For instance, Miller couldn't even crack Easts 3rd grade side when Pricey and the gang were winning Premierships. He was literally dropped to 3rd grade and couldn't crack a Roosters team that only won 5 games all year.

Millers career didn't take off until he came back from his stint in England where he had those 2 stellar seasons back to back in 1988-89. He was a great player at his best and a superb ball player, but a yoyo for much of his career. But sure, like I said, a great player when he was on.

Hardly someone we should be comparing to a player that was so dominant and even brilliant both with the ball and without it for ALL of his nearly 20 year career(including Rugby).

Who are these clowns that have no freaking perspective or clue. I think they have been listening to Matty Johns to much who bangs on about Miller as the best forward he has ever seen. Problem is Matty probably watched Miller during his most impressionable years, late teens and which would have coincided during those two years at Millers peak 1988-89 and saw much less of Ray Price at his best. He would have been to young to have seen Pricey at his peak and taken serious note. So seeing Miller in his 2 season master class moment would have and has left a lopsided view of the mans overall career. It would be like seeing Ben Barba at his season or two peak and thinking that he was the best too.

Millar was a great player at his best, but hardly in the same ball park as the legend that is Ray Price.

I said the same thing about Miller. He didn’t become a great player until late in his career.

You and Hiney have gone off like you normally do but if you go back and look at what I’ve said you’ve basically just repeated me (with more words).

I said he was one of the most naturally gifted players I have seen. I didn’t say he was the best.

 

[Delboy]

Sure, mentioning all these players is interesting, the 2 most physically gifted and talented players our club has seen were Jarryd Hayne and Semi Radrada, neither played with anything other than average teams but were outstanding.

One left early for the Union dollars and the other left for a dream and came back with a nightmare. Sure, Grothe , Ella , Kenny made you stand up - but those 2 made your hair stand up so may times. I was around in the 80s and appreciate those times attending all the GFs, but Hayne and Radrada were something else.

 

[TheRam]

Oh by the way this is a great example of how people in the media influence the judgment and manipulate our memories to some extent. Matty Johns constant praise of Gavin Miller has now elevated Miller to Ray Price status and even in some peoples minds think of him as a better player then Pricey.

Who other then Matty Johns has ever rated Gavin Miller so freakin highly? But because it is Matty Johns people listen. But when you break down Millers actual full career, you see a player that had seasons of garbage and even non existence in 1st grade for big swaths of it and a very short representative career.

There have been many Gavin Millers over the years that played brilliantly a year here or there, but to be considered a true legend or to be thought of as a possible immortal means you actually had to be at the top of your game for a big chunk if not all of your career. That does not describe Miller in any way. He did get better and more consistent in the latter part of his career, but not enough for most keen judges to put him in the all time greats unless you are a Sharks supporter or a Parra supporter that wants to denigrate and downgrade our clubs players and or achievements.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Oh by the way this is a great example of how people in the media influence the judgment and manipulate our memories to some extent. Matty Johns constant praise of Gavin Miller has now elevated Miller to Ray Price status and even in some peoples minds think of him as a better player then Pricey.

Who other then Matty Johns has ever rated Gavin Miller so freakin highly? But because it is Matty Johns people listen. But when you break down Millers actual full career, you see a player that had seasons of garbage and even non existence in 1st grade for big swaths of it and a very short representative career.

There have been many Gavin Millers over the years that played brilliantly a year here or there, but to be considered a true legend or to be thought of as a possible immortal means you actually had to be at the top of your game for a big chunk if not all of your career. That does not describe Miller in any way. He did get better and more consistent in the latter part of his career, but not enough for most keen judges to put him in the all time greats unless you are a Sharks supporter or a Parra supporter that wants to denigrate and downgrade our clubs players and or achievements.

What a load of hot crap.

My opinion of Miller is based on what I have seen. I have no f**king idea what Johns thinks of Miller because I don’t listen to the goose.

Also, I made it clear that I think Price was arguably the best in his position so I honestly don’t understand your point.

 

[TheRam]

Sure, mentioning all these players is interesting, the 2 most physically gifted and talented players our club has seen were Jarryd Hayne and Semi Radrada, neither played with anything other than average teams but were outstanding.

One left early for the Union dollars and the other left for a dream and came back with a nightmare. Sure, Grothe , Ella , Kenny made you stand up - but those 2 made your hair stand up so may times. I was around in the 80s and appreciate those times attending all the GFs, but Hayne and Radrada were something else.

I agree, Hayne in particular is probably the best pure footballer that I have ever seen. Imagine if he was playing with our team this year and under the new interpretation of the rules. Minimal wrestle and six agains. He would make Turbo look like a slug and I think Turbo is the best player with Cleary in the competition today.

Alas we can't and it is what it is and Haynes career will always be seen as lesser for a few reasons and understandably too.

As for Semi, with the ball in hand there has never been a winger better and he blows my mind how good he was. What a pity we lost him. If we had him in this years team, I think we go all the way.

 

[Gazzamatta]

People forget so quickly. For instance, Miller couldn't even crack Easts 3rd grade side when Pricey and the gang were winning Premierships. He was literally dropped to 3rd grade and couldn't crack a Roosters team that only won 5 games all year.

Millers career didn't take off until he came back from his stint in England where he had those 2 stellar seasons back to back in 1988-89. He was a great player at his best and a superb ball player, but a yoyo for much of his career. But sure, like I said, a great player when he was on.

Hardly someone we should be comparing to a player that was so dominant and even brilliant both with the ball and without it for ALL of his nearly 20 year career(including Rugby).

Who are these clowns that have no freaking perspective or clue. I think they have been listening to Matty Johns to much who bangs on about Miller as the best forward he has ever seen. Problem is Matty probably watched Miller during his most impressionable years, late teens and which would have coincided during those two years at Millers peak 1988-89 and saw much less of Ray Price at his best. He would have been to young to have seen Pricey at his peak and taken serious note. So seeing Miller in his 2 season master class moment would have and has left a lopsided view of the mans overall career. It would be like seeing Ben Barba at his season or two peak and thinking that he was the best too.

Millar was a great player at his best, but hardly in the same ball park as the legend that is Ray Price.

I recall Priceys first few games in The B&G and thought holy fu*k who is this bloke. He scored 4 trys in one game if I recall correctly. If you are going to compare him to Gavin Miller why not compare him to Phil Gould. I reckon Gould was every bit as good as Miller on his day.

 

[hineyrulz]

I mentioned plenty of players including two immortals.

I also never said our players are overrated.

I am on the money with this one and you’ve just responded with sarcastic meaningless plop as always you ploppy bag of plop!

All I got out of that was Plop plop plopitty plop Gavin Miller plop plop plop Terry Lamb plop!!

 

[King-Gutho94]

I agree, Hayne in particular is probably the best pure footballer that I have ever seen. Imagine if he was playing with our team this year and under the new interpretation of the rules. Minimal wrestle and six agains. He would make Turbo look like a slug and I think Turbo is the best player with Cleary in the competition today.

Alas we can't and it is what it is and Haynes career will always be seen as lesser for a few reasons and understandably too.

As for Semi, with the ball in hand there has never been a winger better and he blows my mind how good he was. What a pity we lost him. If we had him in this years team, I think we go all the way.

Throw Hayne or semi at their peak into our current team and your right we probably go close to winning it really.

As the last thing we are missing is just that x-factor player who can create something out of nothing.

 

[TheRam]

I recall Priceys first few games in The B&G and thought holy fu*k who is this bloke. He scored 4 trys in one game if I recall correctly. If you are going to compare him to Gavin Miller why not compare him to Phil Gould. I reckon Gould was every bit as good as Miller on his day.

I think because it was so long ago now and there is very little footage of those games since they weren't televised back then, only a couple of games a week made it to TV, people tend to not know and or forget how freakin awesome Pricey was back then.

He was what today everyone would be calling a freak and would easily be considered the best forward in the game. Just his ability to beat the first defender alone was phenomenal with that Pricey power and swerve.

 

[Gazzamatta]

Yeah. They know nothing Jon Snow.

 

[Gary Gutful]

All I got out of that was Plop plop plopitty plop Gavin Miller plop plop plop Terry Lamb plop!!

I’ll express courier a plop down to you c/- Chardon’s Corner if you keep up that carry on.

 

[TheParraboy]

His aggression, skill and speed leaves Murray's for dead. No one prior or since has that something extra that Pricey had. Mental ferociousness. That single bloody mindedness to win at all cost that complimented all the talent and skill he also had. People also underestimate his passing game, it was right up there with the best of them.

Before - John Raper?

Since - Brad Clyde?

 

[Gary Gutful]

I recall Priceys first few games in The B&G and thought holy fu*k who is this bloke. He scored 4 trys in one game if I recall correctly. If you are going to compare him to Gavin Miller why not compare him to Phil Gould. I reckon Gould was every bit as good as Miller on his day.

Gould was awesome. Brilliant ball player and great kicking game. Good call Gazza.

I was going to mention him as well but I thought people would give me shit about it.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Still think its hilarious that the interpretation was that one is comparing Pricey and Miller. Its almost not worth sharing views when merkins get it so f**ken wrong.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I actually wondered the exact same thing at the time. Check the rulebook ffs!!!!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yeah Parra we’re pretty average to be fair, and Gibson was a middle of the road coach because let’s face it we could never afford anyone decent. We were just really lucky.

If we weren't lucky, what do you call the thirty years before it and the forty years since?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

By enlarge

*buy

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Gibber Gibber insult Gibber insult insult Gibber.

I made a valid point. They were great individual players but there were plenty of other individuals that were great in that era.

Lewis and Meninga are the only immortals from that era so that tells you something (Hint: It isnt that Parra were ripped off).

Steve Rodgers was the best centre in the game around that time. Mortimer kept Sterlo out of plenty of rep teams. Boustead was a gun winger who wasn't as lazy as Grothe.

And what about Gene Miles, Gavin Miller and Terry Lamb? I'd personally rate Miller higher than Price. All of Price's toughness plus an amazing ball player. Arguably one of the most gifted players I have ever seen (along with Jason Smith).

Parramatta's players were great. I'm not suggesting otherwise. All I am saying is that there were plenty of others that were great. The composition of rep teams and the decisions regarding best players of an era (including immortals) supports my opinion.

The reason they were successful is that we had more great players than anyone else. Not because we had individuals that were standouts in their positions.

Take your Blue and Gold glasses of and get some perspective. Once you do that you'll realise I am making sense.

Yep, champion team rather than a team of champions

 

[hindy111]

I've heard some non-Eels fans describe the early eighties as a real point of decline for Sydney rugby league. The RLD blokes and some of their guests have made convincing arguments about it.

I'll be honest and this may offend many. But I feel like untill about 2005 NRL wasn't that professional. Heck even now their are clubs run like a circus. But all have the basic fundamentals right and that is players size and fitness, diets etc.

Even guys like Hindmarsh or Tallis I doubt dominate like they did. Reason being there are less weaknesses in oppositions defenses to target. And not many small guys.
It wasn't long ago since guys like Chris Sandow where rubbed out of the game.

Back in the 80s their where guys who trained 4hrs a week some 2hrs and other perhaps 20hrs. Why was Eric Grothe such a beast? I am sure he was naturally strong but I'd also bet that he hit the weights a lot more then others. But these days every opposition player has almost identical training, diets etc so there isn't an unfair advantage to gain. The advantage mostly comes form natural ability and maximum strength. And let's be honest most league players against guys in their same position are close in values.
In the 80s there would be wild differences. But these days everyone would bench over 100kgs. Most props would be close bar the odd freak.
Imagine Payne Haas in the 80s running at guys eating a Pie and chaffing a smoke at halftime. Different times and different era but league is far more balanced as far as skill level nowdays. Why it makes it more boring.