2021 Grand Final: Souths v Penrith Oct 3rd

[hindy111]

Sure, mentioning all these players is interesting, the 2 most physically gifted and talented players our club has seen were Jarryd Hayne and Semi Radrada, neither played with anything other than average teams but were outstanding.

One left early for the Union dollars and the other left for a dream and came back with a nightmare. Sure, Grothe , Ella , Kenny made you stand up - but those 2 made your hair stand up so may times. I was around in the 80s and appreciate those times attending all the GFs, but Hayne and Radrada were something else.

Yes and did it against far stronger defenses

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I think because it was so long ago now and there is very little footage of those games since they weren't televised back then, only a couple of games a week made it to TV, people tend to not know and or forget how freakin awesome Pricey was back then.

He was what today everyone would be calling a freak and would easily be considered the best forward in the game. Just his ability to beat the first defender alone was phenomenal with that Pricey power and swerve.

Price played against a lot of shit players.

 

[hindy111]

Price played against a lot of shit players.

I think that's the big difference. Even the better NSW cup players don't look out of place in the NRL nowdays. The level is just higher. In the 80s and 90s half the guys where unfit and overweight.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

That's what I think Gibson did, and also Smith later on, though to a lesser extent. They brought ideas that hadn't really been done before. Our professionalism right through the club was well ahead of everybody under Brian Smith, despite us never having the best team. Even in 2001 when we set records, the Knights had a better team on paper. The Broncos had a much better team and we beat them in the finals. Smith always got us to overachieve, and the reason was that he brought things no other coach was doing. These days every club has all that knowledge. There's nothing new to bring. The only difference is which club can spend the most money for longest to get incremental improvements around the edges. These days everyone knows the secret to beating the cap is junior recruitment and retention, so of course the two richest clubs dominate in this area over the long term. The Broncos should be ashamed they aren't up there too. Absolute failure for them not to be making the finals every year and winning a couple of comps every decade.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Here are the innovations that Gibson is credited for. All pretty standard now - except the mascara under the eyes.

• First to use a computer to evaluate player performance including being the first club coach to track and use individual player tackle counts.
• His teams were the first to train with sides from other codes – he trained his team alongside soccer players and used Australian Football specialists as kicking coaches.
• Introduced mascara under the eyes to reduce glare for night games under lights.
• First to use weights-machines such as the Nautilus exercise machines.
• First to use video extensively as a coaching device.
• First to have players' fitness scientifically tested in pre-season with the "pinch test" (skinfold method).
• First to insist upon his own integrated coaching team including co-ordinator (Ron Massey), fitness conditioner (Mick Souter) and injury treatment/rehabilitation (Alf Richards).
• Made the bomb a potent attacking weapon used by both Easts and Parramatta under exponent John Peard.

Jack Gibson (rugby league) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[strider]

• First to wear womens fur jackets to games.

 

[hineyrulz]

If we weren't lucky, what do you call the thirty years before it and the forty years since?

Parramatta.

 

[yy_cheng]

The players aren't as smart or aren't as natural as they were before. They have a job and do it and repeat that job in training over and over.

It's a bit now like the Roman legions

And in the older days, they played like barbarians

Though the legions did get beat too but more often they'd win

 

[Gazzamatta]

Before - John Raper?

Since - Brad Clyde?

Ron Coote was a half decent player as well.
Very fast for a forward.
My favourite R Coote memory was at the annual footy player sprint races, I think held at Harold Park. Coote was the unbackable favourite in the forwards race. He took off like a bat out of hell. Got about half way, tripped and fell flat on his face. So funny. I think he may have moved to The Chooks by then. Im not positive but I think that might be the year Keith Campbell won the forwards race and Dave Irvine and Arch Brown got the Quinella in the backs. Speed didnt help us much in those days.

 

[Gazzamatta]

The players aren't as smart or aren't as natural as they were before. They have a job and do it and repeat that job in training over and over.

It's a bit now like the Roman legions

And in the older days, they played like barbarians

Though the legions did get beat too but more often they'd win

*Chase the collision.

 

[yy_cheng]

In 2009, we were like the barbarians

Brian Smith was like hannibal

 

[TheRam]

Before - John Raper?

Since - Brad Clyde?

John Raper himself told Pricey to take a breath and slow down due to Pricey's work rate and omnipresence on the field. He felt that a player that never stopped like him would just burn his career very quickly. See in Rapers day a lock played more of a roving role and a cover defender. Not the balls all in type of role Pricey was exhibiting.

Bradley Clyde was the closest thing to Pricey, but I put Pricey slightly ahead of him due to a couple of things. Clyde started of with a bang to some extent but started to deteriorate badly midway to last 3rd of his career due to injuries. He also was playing in a team that had an all international front row in Glen Lazarus, Brent Todd and Steve Walters. Pricey never had that calibre a front row in his whole career to spring board off.

Having that front row of pure power and creativity can never be underestimated and what that then allows the rest of the pack and team to do.

Also I put Pricey in front on mental will, tenacity and single bloody mindedness. That 1986 GF he willed us to victory. If he wasn't on the field there's no way we win that game. He was our Cameron Smith. Very few people had what he had if any. That was what gave him the will to play on even when he was a broken wreck. He played in an era that didn't have sports science or much medical help for many types of injuries so he would nurse himself back to health. Clyde started to play just as things started to get professional and medical treatments started to get better.

But anyway, Pricey in my opinion should be judged just like Raper was on what he achieved in his era. I mean does anyone seriously think that Raper could go out drinking all night, no sleep and then play a man of the match performance in todays RL? It was a different game back then as it was in the 70's and early 80's and then again from late 80's-90's. So it is impossible to accurately compare these player against one another. So the best we can do is judge them on their performances and achievements and Price's is as good as it gets for his entire career. More then worthy of being an Immortal. His influence on Parra is Camron Smith or Johnathan Thurston like without being a playmaker. Again not many players can lay claim on driving their club for more then a decade to successive finals and grand Finals and 4 premierships like he has.

Immortal? You betcha!

 

[TheRam]

Price played against a lot of shit players.

So did Churchill, Gasnier, Langlands and Raper.

Your point?

Hell I betcha if Brett Hodgson who played for both Parra and the Tigers 2005 premiership team played in the 50's he too would now be an Immortal. Comparing players of different eras is generally folly.

 

[TheRam]

The players aren't as smart or aren't as natural as they were before. They have a job and do it and repeat that job in training over and over.

It's a bit now like the Roman legions

And in the older days, they played like barbarians

Though the legions did get beat too but more often they'd win

Great analogy cheng and funny too.

 

[Gary Gutful]

John Raper himself told Pricey to take a breath and slow down due to Pricey's work rate and omnipresence on the field. He felt that a player that never stopped like him would just burn his career very quickly. See in Rapers day a lock played more of a roving role and a cover defender. Not the balls all in type of role Pricey was exhibiting.

Bradley Clyde was the closest thing to Pricey, but I put Pricey slightly ahead of him due to a couple of things. Clyde started of with a bang to some extent but started to deteriorate badly midway to last 3rd of his career due to injuries. He also was playing in a team that had an all international front row in Glen Lazarus, Brent Todd and Steve Walters. Pricey never had that calibre a front row in his whole career to spring board off.

Having that front row of pure power and creativity can never be underestimated and what that then allows the rest of the pack and team to do.

Also I put Pricey in front on mental will, tenacity and single bloody mindedness. That 1986 GF he willed us to victory. If he wasn't on the field there's no way we win that game. He was our Cameron Smith. Very few people had what he had if any. That was what gave him the will to play on even when he was a broken wreck. He played in an era that didn't have sports science or much medical help for many types of injuries so he would nurse himself back to health. Clyde started to play just as things started to get professional and medical treatments started to get better.

But anyway, Pricey in my opinion should be judged just like Raper was on what he achieved in his era. I mean does anyone seriously think that Raper could go out drinking all night, no sleep and then play a man of the match performance in todays RL? It was a different game back then as it was in the 70's and early 80's and then again from late 80's-90's. So it is impossible to accurately compare these player against one another. So the best we can do is judge them on their performances and achievements and Price's is as good as it gets for his entire career. More then worthy of being an Immortal. His influence on Parra is Camron Smith or Johnathan Thurston like without being a playmaker. Again not many players can lay claim on driving their club for more then a decade to successive finals and grand Finals and 4 premierships like he has.

Immortal? You betcha!

Well said. I think we discussed the immortal thing earlier in the year and my view was that Price has the best case of all of our players in that era. It would be much deserved if it did happen.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Also I put Pricey in front on mental will, tenacity and single bloody mindedness. That 1986 GF he willed us to victory. If he wasn't on the field there's no way we win that game. He was our Cameron Smith

*Murray

 

[King-Gutho94]

That's what I think Gibson did, and also Smith later on, though to a lesser extent. They brought ideas that hadn't really been done before. Our professionalism right through the club was well ahead of everybody under Brian Smith, despite us never having the best team. Even in 2001 when we set records, the Knights had a better team on paper. The Broncos had a much better team and we beat them in the finals. Smith always got us to overachieve, and the reason was that he brought things no other coach was doing. These days every club has all that knowledge. There's nothing new to bring. The only difference is which club can spend the most money for longest to get incremental improvements around the edges. These days everyone knows the secret to beating the cap is junior recruitment and retention, so of course the two richest clubs dominate in this area over the long term. The Broncos should be ashamed they aren't up there too. Absolute failure for them not to be making the finals every year and winning a couple of comps every decade.

What years do you believe we should have won a comp under smith.

Looking back i see 2005 as more of a missed opportunity than 2001. That prelim final performance is more horrific then the 2001 GF imo.

We had a better team and our opponents were weaker. That cowboys team had 50 points put on them by us eariler that year when we rested 5 players backing up from city-country. And then had 50 points put on them semi final 2 weeks earlier.

The tigers had momentum but we always have had their measure plus we had the advantage of players having had GF experience from 4 years eariler.

We had a better team then the tigers and should have beaten them in the GF if we got there

 

[Rocket man]

What years do you believe we should have won a comp under smith.

Looking back i see 2005 as more of a missed opportunity than 2001. That prelim final performance is more horrific then the 2001 GF imo.

We had a better team and our opponents were weaker. That cowboys team had 50 points put on them by us eariler that year when we rested 5 players backing up from city-country. And then had 50 points put on them semi final 2 weeks earlier.

The tigers had momentum but we always have had their measure plus we had the advantage of players having had GF experience from 4 years eariler.

We had a better team then the tigers and should have beaten them in the GF if we got there

Still remember Daniel Wagon charging out of the line and missing his target and they strolled over to score.

 

[KennySterling]

Here are the innovations that Gibson is credited for. All pretty standard now - except the mascara under the eyes.

• First to use a computer to evaluate player performance including being the first club coach to track and use individual player tackle counts.
• His teams were the first to train with sides from other codes – he trained his team alongside soccer players and used Australian Football specialists as kicking coaches.
• Introduced mascara under the eyes to reduce glare for night games under lights.
• First to use weights-machines such as the Nautilus exercise machines.
• First to use video extensively as a coaching device.
• First to have players' fitness scientifically tested in pre-season with the "pinch test" (skinfold method).
• First to insist upon his own integrated coaching team including co-ordinator (Ron Massey), fitness conditioner (Mick Souter) and injury treatment/rehabilitation (Alf Richards).
• Made the bomb a potent attacking weapon used by both Easts and Parramatta under exponent John Peard.

Jack Gibson (rugby league) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wasn't Mal Reilly extensively utilising the bomb at Manly well before Peard ?

 

[Gary Gutful]

Wasn't Mal Reilly extensively utilising the bomb at Manly well before Peard ?

It Reilly depends on a few factors.