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Kilkenny

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Not currently.

You couldn’t have two different team doctors trying to make that call, maybe an independent doctor or something.

I didn’t think it was the case. I googled it, but couldn’t couldn’t find anything. I thought it was in the hands of the injured players teams doctor consistent with the protocols, questions, assessments that are in place.
 

Jane Murray

Bench
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Is this the case?

There hasn't been any mention about that, for me, it was more than a suggestion.

'Designed for an emergency': ARLC approves 18th ma
NRL clubs have been encouraged to continue adopting a more conservative approach to HIAs with the introduction of an 18th man if three players fail tests during the same match.

A meeting of the ARLC on Tuesday gave in-principal approval for clubs to carry an emerging player as an 18th man who could be used in matches from round five if three members of the team are ruled out by HIAs.

The 18th man is unlikely to be the same player used as a stand-by if a member of the 17-strong squad named for the match is injured in the warm-up.

The decision followed a spate of injuries and head knocks in last weekend's round of matches which left Cronulla with no players on the bench for the entire second half of their loss to Parramatta, while Sydney Roosters and Canberra finished with just one interchange player.



While it is a rare occurrence for three players from the same team to fail HIAs, ARLC chair Peter V'landys said greater awareness and vigilance was likely to see an 18th man required in matches this season.

"We believe that the doctors and the clubs are taking a much more cautious approach with HIA, which we encourage, so we believe there will be cases again this year where there will be three in a match," V'landys said.

"It is only really designed for an emergency situation. There are four interchange players already and if they lose two they still have two others, so basically it's for instances like what occurred on the weekend with Cronulla and Canberra.



"It is for the rare situation in which it occurs, although we believe that it may not be that rare if they continue the cautious approach with HIAs.

"We certainly want to encourage that they continue the cautious approach, that is one of the reasons we have introduced the 18th man.

"Concussion for us is a major issue and we want to do everything in our power to encourage the doctors to be more cautious and take the player off when there is an element of doubt.

"We have spent money on surveillance as well in the Bunker so we are looking at in real time as well."

Some clubs believe that the number of failed HIAs before coaches can access the 18th man should be two as they believe it will rarely be used, with one CEO saying it was a waste of the NRL's money to pay for an additional player to travel to matches.

However, V'landys said the ARLC wanted to ensure that the additional player didn't have an impact on the tempo of a match.

"It would have been used twice over the last weekend and the reason for that is because they are taking a more cautious approach – but if it is not used then so be it," V'landys said.

"We haven't gone away from the fact that we want fatigue so that there is brilliance in the game."

The requirement that the 18th man be an emerging player who can't be used in consecutive matches is designed to ensure that young players aren't missing out on regular game time in the lower grades.

The ARLC will consult with the RLPA, clubs and coaches to finalise the definition of an emerging player for the 18th man rule.

"This is a dynamic environment," V'landys said. "As a Commission we have always said we would be agile in changing rules when it is in the best interests of the game and this is one of those examples.

"We see this as an opportunity to give an emerging player a taste of first grade rugby league in their team's time of need.

"The 18th player will also have to be rotated weekly so you don't have a young player missing out on playing lower grades every week."

"All fans agree we don't want to see a situation where a club is left with one player on the bench and this rule change will provide insurance for all clubs.

"It will also only be activated in the most dire of circumstances for a club, so we don't see it having a material impact on games every week."
 

The_Frog

First Grade
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A kneejerk. This will be invoked once a year. Meanwhile a development player gets splinters in his bum every week.
 

maple_69

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I probably shouldn’t comment because I haven’t properly read the rule but wouldn’t the development player have played in NSW/QLD Cup or Flegg typically before riding the pine as the insurance policy?
 

The_Frog

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Premiership Odds After Round 2
$
5 Roosters
5.5 Panthers
6 Storm, Rabbitohs
9 Raiders
11 Eels
17 Titans, Knights
26 Warriors
36 Sharks
41 Manly
67 Cowboys, Tigers, Dragons
101 Broncos, Bulldogs

After Round 3
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4.5 Panthers
5 Rabbitohs
6 Storm
9 Raiders, Roosters
10 Eels
19 Titans
23 Knights
26 Warriors
41 Sharks, Dragons
51 Tigers
67 Manly
81 Broncos, Cowboys
101 Bulldogs
 

MugaB

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I probably shouldn’t comment because I haven’t properly read the rule but wouldn’t the development player have played in NSW/QLD Cup or Flegg typically before riding the pine as the insurance policy?
Generally yes, i dont see any change really but if penrith end up in a situation like the sharks did last weekend, i think we would thrive or not miss a beat with our development player
 

betcats

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Tago continues to impress then?

Edit: read the match report. Another 2 tries gives him 5 in his first 3 nsw cup games. Sounds like he broke for his tries today again, he is incredibly strong for someone his age.
 
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franklin2323

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Tago continues to impress then?

Edit: read the match report. Another 2 tries gives him 5 in his first 3 nsw cup games. Sounds like he broke for his tries today again, he is incredibly strong for someone his age.

Yeah his one from dummy half was good vision. Still think he ends up in the pack but depth is looking great this year
 

franklin2323

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No surprise that the 3 teams that don't run their own NSW Cup team are top 3 in SG Ball. Was a weird age this year we had all our good players in older groups.
 

Panther2021

Juniors
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No surprise that the 3 teams that don't run their own NSW Cup team are top 3 in SG Ball. Was a weird age this year we had all our good players in older groups.
Interesting as I do recall you letting us all know our SG Ball side could be the greatest ever side we put out there...Thanks for letting us know mate I was curious as to why we missed the finals :thumbsup:
 

Kilkenny

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Interesting as I do recall you letting us all know our SG Ball side could be the greatest ever side we put out there...Thanks for letting us know mate I was curious as to why we missed the finals :thumbsup:

We probably get greedy and always want our juniors to be strong and competing for the big prize but probably won’t hurt us in the scheme of things.

We’ve shed a lot of players late last season and this season in order to stabilise our salary cap so we have enough good players at present to top up our depth. Not the end of the world our ball side having a slightly disappointing season.
 

franklin2323

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We probably get greedy and always want our juniors to be strong and competing for the big prize but probably won’t hurt us in the scheme of things.

We’ve shed a lot of players late last season and this season in order to stabilise our salary cap so we have enough good players at present to top up our depth. Not the end of the world our ball side having a slightly disappointing season.

You look at other sides. As I said the 3 up top of Ball don't run their own NSW Cup side.

Knights and Raiders run a Ball team but not a Flegg side. If we did that Connor Mason who was carving up Ball would of stayed down. Puru is Leading point scorer in Flegg also stays down. That halves combo is worth another couple of wins

So these sides getting stronger Ball teams but it is u19's this year. Guys like Tago are no point putting in Ball cause too good.

I think promoting the guys helps in the long run but time will tell
 

Kilkenny

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You look at other sides. As I said the 3 up top of Ball don't run their own NSW Cup side.

Knights and Raiders run a Ball team but not a Flegg side. If we did that Connor Mason who was carving up Ball would of stayed down. Puru is Leading point scorer in Flegg also stays down. That halves combo is worth another couple of wins

So these sides getting stronger Ball teams but it is u19's this year. Guys like Tago are no point putting in Ball cause too good.

I think promoting the guys helps in the long run but time will tell

Im not bothered at all by the disappointing season by our Ball side. Our top 30 is for the most part probably locked in for the next couple of seasons other than perhaps our development players, the best of our Flegg side.
 
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franklin2323

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Im not bothered at all by the disappointing season by our Ball side. Our top 30 is for the most part probably locked in for the next couple of seasons other than perhaps our development players, the best of outrage flegg side.

Yep and a couple are SG Ball players. So results are meaningless in that case
 

Kilkenny

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As it turns out we’ve had a really soft start to season 2021.

It’s easy to say now certain sides are easy beats, but I am surprised the Cowboys are going so busted, the Bulldogs and Sea Eagles have some quality players in there rosters so I am a little surprised by the score line blowouts.

Our game against the Sea Eagles, we never really got out of 2nd gear and basically cruised to victory, despite missing two key members of our spine.

The blowout scores we are seeing must be a major concern for the game. It is clearly not healthy when 6 or 7 games from each round thus far are decided by the winning side winning by such substantial margins.
 

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