2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

[Phil McGrawhan]

What PR continually ignores is the simple fact that
Things are not the same as 6 months ago .
Nothing is normal
Nearly every business is doing it tough ...losing money
Putting people off .
Yet he carries on as if PVL brokered a deal when things were going good .

It's imposssible to have a debate with someone who is not accepting reality

 

[taipan]

What PR continually ignores is the simple fact that
Things are not the same as 6 months ago .
Nothing is normal
Nearly every business is doing it tough ...losing money
Putting people off .
Yet he carries on as if PVL brokered a deal when things were going good .

It's imposssible to have a debate with someone who is not accepting reality

It's not as if this is a bad version of the flu, it's a community killer at times.
RBA is talking 8% plus ,unemployment next year.People out of work don't spend on advertisers' products, they in turn cut advertising.
I just don't get where PR is coming from.

 

[Perth Red]

What PR continually ignores is the simple fact that
Things are not the same as 6 months ago .
Nothing is normal
Nearly every business is doing it tough ...losing money
Putting people off .
Yet he carries on as if PVL brokered a deal when things were going good .

It's imposssible to have a debate with someone who is not accepting reality

of course it’s different but that’s the point, by all means Renegotiate the pandemic effected 2020 season but there is a very real likelihood that 21&22 will be normal seasons for the nrl so why accept less money from a signed contract? Fox have clearly shown they are desperate for nrl post 22 so why negotiate an extension now, why not wait and negotiate from a position of stengty?
If Ch9 are in trouble because they signed a deal then tough, they survived the first two years of the deal, they should have had to cut their cloth accordingly to honour the contract or face the legal ramifications.
What we’ve got here is a rogue chairman negotiating by himself during a time of weakness, never a great scenario for a good outcome for the game. Anyways deals done so let’s get the detail and see what impact it has on the game over the next few years and we will see if it was a good outcome or yet another sht admin performance by the games leaders.

so far he has promised:
Same pay for players
Same money for nrl clubs
Same money for second tier clubs
An investment fund
Asset building
Possible expansion with another mouth to feed

and all on less revenue. Guy must be a fcking business genius!

 

[Foreign Legion]

FMD the dude single handedly restarted the comp (project Apollo) showed who's boss to the AFL, made Pirate Pete Red Rag head look like an idiot (again... which isn't very hard), got an online betting agency to sign up (and screwed them into paying more) and basically signed a TV deal in a time where thousands have died and millions have lost there jobs... over corona and we have a bloke who's having a whinge, all I can say is......GGF

 

[T-Boon]

PR really hates him because of his Perth comments.

 

[Perth Red]

Fox have won big time with the extension. The digital streaming market is where the future is at and at the moment there is an unsustainable amount of providers and more on the way. The streaming service that can secure popualr sport is likely to win out. Fox have just done that in this country (for potentially less than they have paid for many years) and will now package binge and Kayo to take over from their satellite service. Very nice work by Murdoch.

 

[Perth Red]

PR really hates him because of his Perth comments.

I dislike his style, mainly as I have had the misfortune of working for people like him. Sure he’ll get things done but he will burn much on the way that eventually comes back to haunt.
His dumb arse statement about afl states And it’s timing just confirmed my concerns about him.

 

[T-Boon]

I think he has been stuck with the fact the networks and the media generally like AFL a lot more than they like NRL. That's not his fault, it has been a 100 year all around effort. So even if/when Fox gives AFL a far better deal than they gave NRL (eg sticking to their existing contract) he has still arguably done well.

 

[LeagueXIII]

Fox have won big time with the extension. The digital streaming market is where the future is at and at the moment there is an unsustainable amount of providers and more on the way. The streaming service that can secure popualr sport is likely to win out. Fox have just done that in this country (for potentially less than they have paid for many years) and will now package binge and Kayo to take over from their satellite service. Very nice work by Murdoch.

Exactly, thank you Mr V'landys. no wonder the News Ltd media have been jerking off about him and all opposition to them has been removed. It's actually so compromised is disgusting.

FTA is dead and they know it, so have scored a reduced deal, another winner.

 

[LeagueXIII]

I dislike his style, mainly as I have had the misfortune of working for people like him. Sure he’ll get things done but he will burn much on the way that eventually comes back to haunt.
His dumb arse statement about afl states And it’s timing just confirmed my concerns about him.

He'll be gone in a year or so. He'll leave while he is on top. He's done what he was put there to do. News Ltd man to his boot straps. When I first read he was linked with News a year or so ago, alarm bells went off for me. Here we are today back in bed with News Ltd for 7 years.

 

[Phil McGrawhan]

Oh dear

 

[LeagueXIII]

Time will be the judge.

 

[Desert Qlder]

I have had the misfortune of working for people like him.

What is the common denominator here?

 

[taipan]

I dislike his style, mainly as I have had the misfortune of working for people like him. Sure he’ll get things done but he will burn much on the way that eventually comes back to haunt.
His dumb arse statement about afl states And it’s timing just confirmed my concerns about him.

You have bagged just about every CEO and Chairman in the NRL, usually within a very short space of time of their arrival.

Your praise for the AFL in contrast ,is legendary.They could be classified as being dumbarsed comments on a rugby league site.

You bagged Greenberg almost from day one, and when he was moved you wondered why ,he'd done no wrong. And you have concerns about V'Landys?

Yet you ignored the AFL types who bagged him earlier for daring to suggest a 28th May start up.He responds by ripping into their bubbles and you go into protective mode for the AFL.The Vic media gives to the NRL plenty of times.As do their Melbourne based national programs.
Jeff Kennett (hawthorn Chairman)given space in The Australian calling the NRL"boring,boring" as he won't be watching it on 28th May.

Demetriou was ruthless,Packer was ruthless, sometimes in a highly competitive market that's the way to succeed.It's not like a local cafe or small goods place where everyone is nice to each other.
He still wants to proceed with expansion.

 

[taipan]

He'll be gone in a year or so. He'll leave while he is on top. He's done what he was put there to do. News Ltd man to his boot straps. When I first read he was linked with News a year or so ago, alarm bells went off for me. Here we are today back in bed with News Ltd for 7 years.

Conspiracy theory number 321 ,brought to you by your friendly local Bottle Mart.

 

[Perth Red]

You have bagged just about every CEO and Chairman in the NRL, usually within a very short space of time of their arrival.

Your praise for the AFL in contrast ,is legendary.They could be classified as being dumbarsed comments on a rugby league site.

You bagged Greenberg almost from day one, and when he was moved you wondered why ,he'd done no wrong. And you have concerns about V'Landys?

Yet you ignored the AFL types who bagged him earlier for daring to suggest a 28th May start up.He responds by ripping into their bubbles and you go into protective mode for the AFL.The Vic media gives to the NRL plenty of times.As do their Melbourne based national programs.
Jeff Kennett (hawthorn Chairman)given space in The Australian calling the NRL"boring,boring" as he won't be watching it on 28th May.

Demetriou was ruthless,Packer was ruthless, sometimes in a highly competitive market that's the way to succeed.It's not like a local cafe or small goods place where everyone is nice to each other.
He still wants to proceed with expansion.

Not really:
grant I didn’t like much, met him and he came across as quite arrogant but on the plus side he understood the nrl’s need for digital, I readily admit I had big doubts about the size of invest but it has proved to be a winner. He also caved into the clubs which stripped $32mill a year from grassroots which was tragic.
Smith I had great hope for, finally someone from outside RL with a global business background. He did plenty of good things, some basic like producing a decent annual report and bringing DO’s under hq, getting consistent Branding across the games arms etc he also understood the potential of the international game. sadly he didn’t realise that that tv moguls control the game and it cost him his job.
Beattie I had hopes for, he seemed to understand the need for the game to grow but didn’t appear to have any power or ability to drive direction but did seem to be part of getting finances back on track.
Greenberg was a mixed bag, he self admitted he wasn’t a visionary leader and that is very much how he will be remembered. He had three poor financial years but by the new deal seemed to have righted the ship. His inability to pass the pub test on many decisions was art of his undoing.
Vlandys I have little time for. He says some things which are clearly in his best interests but not necessarily the games. He is a good personality type to have in this crisis and his roll of the dice seems to have paid off during covid. I think he has sold us down the river on the tv deal but that will be confirmed or challenged once we get the details.
So there you go, not black and white by any means, there’s always good and bad to be found if you look.

 

[taipan]

Not really:
grant I didn’t like much, met him and he came across as quite arrogant but on the plus side he understood the nrl’s need for digital, I readily admit I had big doubts about the size of invest but it has proved to be a winner. He also caved into the clubs which stripped $32mill a year from grassroots which was tragic.
Smith I had great hope for, finally someone from outside RL with a global business background. He did plenty of good things, some basic like producing a decent annual report and bringing DO’s under hq, getting consistent Branding across the games arms etc he also understood the potential of the international game. sadly he didn’t realise that that tv moguls control the game and it cost him his job.
Beattie I had hopes for, he seemed to understand the need for the game to grow but didn’t appear to have any power or ability to drive direction but did seem to be part of getting finances back on track.
Greenberg was a mixed bag, he self admitted he wasn’t a visionary leader and that is very much how he will be remembered. He had three poor financial years but by the new deal seemed to have righted the ship. His inability to pass the pub test on many decisions was art of his undoing.
Vlandys I have little time for. He says some things which are clearly in his best interests but not necessarily the games. He is a good personality type to have in this crisis and his roll of the dice seems to have paid off during covid. I think he has sold us down the river on the tv deal but that will be confirmed or challenged once we get the details.
So there you go, not black and white by any means, there’s always good and bad to be found if you look.

I'm not going into a long saga.Simply to state ,fair criticism of people who run businesses should come at the end of 12 months or the end of their tenure.
It is unrealistic to do so when there are unknowns in play during broadcast negotiations ,that have not been publicly outlined.
NB From what I've been reading ,we have kept digital, which I would have gone off my tree if we hadn't.That if correct is a plus for the negotiations.

 

[tri_colours]

Does anybody have access to todays SMH article by Roy Masters? About the broadcasters softening up period.

Anyone who can print it thanks.

 

[Desert Qlder]

After softening-up period, stand by for big hits in TV rights stoush
Roy Masters

Hard man Peter V'landys has softened up the rugby league "family", using the media to warn of an inevitable decline in the code's income, ahead of the imminent announcement of a reduced, long-term, pay TV deal with News Corporation's Foxtel.

The mechanics of the reported 2020-27 deal are the reverse of the current contract, which then NRL CEO Dave Smith secretly negotiated with Channel Nine's David Gyngell, leaving Foxtel furious it had been sidelined.

Smith and then ARLC chairman John Grant were positioned "next to the shithouse" at a welcome to News' Rupert Murdoch in a Sydney restaurant. V'landys, the ARLC incumbent chairman, can be expected to be seated at the head table on the media mogul's next visit to the city.

But will the NRL clubs also be fawning over V'landys in, say, three years' time if Channel Nine or Ten pay minimal fees for the free-to-air rights which include the finals, grand final and State of Origin?

Australia's leading media and sports rights analyst, Colin Smith, warns against TV contracts not being co-terminus, saying pay and FTA deals must have the same beginning and end date to maximise competitive tension and therefore the biggest sum at the end.

Nine Entertainment Co boss Hugh Marks has reportedly told V'landys he will see out the existing 2018-22 deal before deciding to bid again.

Do the maths: according to reports, the News Corp deal is $1.7 billion over eight years without FTA rights compared to the existing $1.8b over five years, with FTA rights.

Sure, V'landys has indicated digital rights will be kept back from the next deal, allowing the code to develop its own streaming service - potentially aimed at Generation Z, who will presumably follow the habits of millennials and watch packaged highlights of NRL matches on mobile phones, rather than invest two hours on a Friday night in front of linear TV.

Following the last deal which eventually resulted in Smith's resignation and Grant negotiating a revised deal with Nine and a still angry Fox, the AFL moved swiftly.


AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan flew to Sydney and a couple of days later in Melbourne, Rupert announced a $2.6b, six-year deal saying, "We have always preferred Aussie Rules", adding on an estimated $150m in a vengeful, "up-yours" rebuke to the NRL.

There is every indication AFL will follow the same path this time, waiting for the NRL to conclude the pay TV deal and then come over the top, boasting of a superior final figure.

Sources say McLachlan is currently negotiating with incumbent broadcaster Channel Seven to extend the current FTA deal past 2022, ahead of a pay TV deal.

Some media analysts say this is the wise course because FTA TV is the more financially distressed industry, compared to pay TV.

In other words, AFL will extract as much money as it can from Seven, taking Kerry Stokes's network out of the bidding for the NRL's FTA rights, leaving V'landys to negotiate for 2023 with budget network Ten, as well as Nine.

The AFL will have gone to Foxtel and said, "You require three products to be successful. You have NRL and movies and you need AFL."

Fox reportedly paid two and a half times more than last time for HBO movies to stream on their new over the top service, Binge.

The monies News Corp paid for HBO in a bidding war with Nine's Stan raises the question why NRL must take less, as V'landys has repeatedly insisted.

"We don't want to send our partners broke," he has been quoted as saying, yet News paid a motza for movies for a new OTT service some analysts say will be a repeat of the failed Presto venture between News and Seven.

In fact, legal sources say the current TV contracts do not obligate the NRL to take a cut. When the former NRL CEO, Todd Greenberg, went to Nine boss Marks and pointed out the 2018-22 contract did not even require the NRL to takes less in this Covid-19 interrupted season, it was the end of his rugby league career.

It would be almost heretical to suggest V'landys, following his brilliant strategy in bringing NRL to our TV screens on Thursday night, could one day be shown the door.

But while the rugby league "family" has been softened up for a long-term cut in income, the reality of NRL clubs actually receiving less, compared to AFL, is a very different matter.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/af...hits-in-tv-rights-stoush-20200526-p54wih.html

 

[taipan]

IMO ,what Roy should have stated, instead of not having a lesser Tv deal than the AFL,(because we always have), but if AFL doesn't get reduced TV deals like the NRL has.Then you can question why?

Nine didn't want to go beyond 2022.Roy should have questioned their motives,wanting AFL as they suck up to them even now? I'm stoked if true they didn't get their grubby mitts on NRL digital.

Fair point no argument, a deal is a deal, but these are extremely worst case scenario circumstances ,where just about everyone in the community is taking cuts.


I look at what happened when ch10 had the rugby league and they went down the gurgler(which still could be a chance for 9).Kerry Packer stepped in and got the rights and TV deal for a song.Then whose better off?