2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

[Perth Red]

That’s great $16m difference. Pity we have to worry about those other years though but silver linings and all that

Hes wrong on just about every account. In 2023 the nrls tv revenue domestic and international will be $402mill, the afls domestic revenue $423mill. The only place nrl is beating afl in tv revenue until 2028 is in his head.

 

[Nerd]

Hahaha yep it’s only the AFL that spin. My goodness. What a load of horse shit.

Well thank god the NRL set it all up for the AFL to absolutely shit all over the NRL. Job well done PVL haha

The AFL leveraged Marvel Stadium and great relationship with NAB to get $500m loan for 2020 season to ensure the game stayed afloat.

Due to their solid relationships with state and federal government they were planning on getting the game up and running in July. They did this in good faith to give government air to breath without unnecessary pressure to get things back to normal unrealistically.

NRL pushed back on government and went on their path to starting up early because NRL had no line of credit. It then started back up on 28 May 2020 ahead of schedule due to need to get revenue or risk going bankrupt.

By starting on 28 May, they then had a public fight with channel 9 and foxtel. Both companies required a discount due to NRL not delivering 25 rounds of football. Both companies held NRL over a barrel because they knew NRL was desperate.

Yet all along NRL stated they got a better deal than AFL but retained all information on the revised media deal as commercial in confidence. Also gave away its digital division.

Now, do I criticise NRL for starting on 28 May at a discount - hell no. They risked bankruptcy if they didn’t. Do I question the fake bluster and lies about the renegotiation of media rights? Yep.

Did NRL save the AFL by starting on 28 May? Nope - they had $500m loan to save them. Did NRL starting on 28 May force AFL to start earlier than July? Yep.

It would appear the NRL ego and spin is in uncharted waters at the moment.

Isn’t it funny, AFL get a $500m loan to save it and help state government navigate a few months of unknown covid issues - then AFL somehow manage to negotiate $510m cash between 2025-27? It’s almost like their CEO builds phenomenal relationships with all key stakeholders (government and media etc) to secure his games future.

Contrast the AFL approach to the NRL approach

- publicly blast nine and foxtel during renegotiations
- apologise to nine for speaking out of school with no consultation
- blast NSW government for reneging on a handshake deal for stadiums to help flood victims

Is anyone sensing a theme here? It’s almost like the head of a national sport needs to schmooze government extremely well rather than blast them and bag them off in the media.

If NRL are gonna sell the GF like the Super Bowl - you’d probably want Victoria to bid on it - at least to boost the price. After all, by 2030, Melbourne will have the highest population of any Australian city.

While the condescending way NRL now talk about all things Victoria seems to appease the Sydney crowd, it’s detrimental to the game overall.

The VRC do not like PVL. The VRC are appointed by Victorian government. Do you seriously think Victorian government is going to splash money at out bidding NSW or QLD for NRL GF?? Not while PVL is around they won’t.

It doesn’t take a genius to understand the biggest TV market over the next 50 years will be Melbourne. To grow the game needs to consolidate Qld with more teams - there should be 3 in Brisbane and grow the game in southern states. Neither of these things appear close to being a reality under the current NRL leadership

There is no way we want 3 teams in Brisbane. Perth then Adelaide, PNG or maybe Sunshine Coast.

I agree with the bit about working with government and not constantly bickering with them.

I believe Melbourne have recently seen a negative population growth and no media company is going to ignore the majority of the population which live in the states of Queensland and NSW.

The game desperately does need to unhook itself from either Nein or Fox or even both if possible.

 

[angak888]

I suspect the GF is going to a night time slot for that deal

The AFL grand final will remain day time. AFL has full authority on the time/day.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

There is no way we want 3 teams in Brisbane. Perth then Adelaide, PNG or maybe Sunshine Coast.

I agree with the bit about working with government and not constantly bickering with them.

I believe Melbourne have recently seen a negative population growth and no media company is going to ignore the majority of the population which live in the states of Queensland and NSW.

The game desperately does need to unhook itself from either Nein or Fox or even both if possible.

I'd give the Wests Tigers' licence to the Easts Tigers and rebrand them as the Brisbane Tigers, based out of Coorparoo and playing all home games at Lang Park. Dolphins can become the Moreton Bay Dolphins and work on getting a decent stadium built in Moreton Bay.

Relocate the Cronulla Sharks to Adelaide and bring in the West Coast Pirates.

 

[colly]

Hes wrong on just about every account. In 2023 the nrls tv revenue domestic and international will be $402mill, the afls domestic revenue $423mill. The only place nrl is beating afl in tv revenue until 2028 is in his head.

From "the dread,' """AFL domestic revenue""" whats that??? thats stiff coming from a immigrant coming to Australia AKA> POM limiting the NRL to what did you say 'domestic revenue' well i don't recognize your domestic revenue tag AND say it's FTA TV, which this thread is all about, but you just twist shit like others here, still waiting on you or a figure 'y'all' stand behind, Wookie.....

So what is the FTA (Seven network) amount , will keep it here for all to see, and revisit in 15 mths, so I say your full of shit and all your mental abilities is of a value of your excrement. So say it's $190m p/a for Seven ( for 23-24 years) you brave wombat....? I mean 'hedgehog' , say it, the AFL wins with $190m million dollars... I won't forget and some like me won't forget either ... $190m from Seven for 23-24 ...but it gets better their paying 14% on top for the new deal well over 200m , infact it makes $216m, good if you can get it... Unless it too good to be true.

Sure the NRL don't come out on top after 2025, BUT their is hope we can sign in 2025 for a better deal, however you revel in it, to the point where you can't recognize we have come out on top, that's according to what the players have said , IT"S only you and friends that imagine better results form our opposition than needs to be....
Can't fix stupid.

 

[LeagueXIII]

Sportsbet tries to fend off News Corp’s BetR with long-term AFL deal​

By Zoe Samios​

September 5, 2022 — 11.35am


Online bookmaker Sportsbet tried to extend its multimillion-dollar advertising sponsorship with the AFL until the end of the decade in an attempt to secure its place in the sport before News Corp’s soon-to-launch wagering business arrives on the market.
Wagering sources familiar with the talks, who requested anonymity to speak freely on the matter, said Sportsbet approached the AFL about extending its current deal, which expires in 2025, until 2030. Such a move, if successful, would prevent another wagering partner from working with the AFL or integrating promotions around matches. The AFL and Sportsbet declined to comment.

Sportsbet has approached the AFL about extending its current deal to 2030.CREDIT:AFL PHOTOS
The sources said no deal was struck, but the timing of Sportsbet’s attempt is not a coincidence. The AFL is in the middle of crucial negotiations with potential broadcast partners about a deal that could see it lock in agreements with Seven and Foxtel until the end of the decade.
It also coincides with the imminent launch of BetR, a new wagering outfit led by former BetEasy owner Matthew Tripp and chief executive Andrew Menz. BetEasy was the exclusive wagering partner of the AFL before it merged with Sportsbet. Football and betting industry sources previously told this masthead the agreement is worth about $10 million per year.

Tripp is one of Australia’s most successful bookmakers, having built Sportsbet into the country’s second-largest bookie behind the TAB and then establishing BetEasy in 2014 before selling it to Canadian gambling giant The Stars Group.
Wagering sponsorships are valuable as they give a partner first rights to integrate into the broadcaster’s coverage of a match and on websites such as NRL.com and AFL.com. AFL commentators have previously been critical of these deals as they encourage gambling. For wagering outfits, the integrations helps grow audience and revenue and for a new player like News Corp-backed BetR, which is expected to launch within a month, partnerships with key sport and racing bodies will build profile.

Matthew Tripp leads the new sports wagering outfit BetR.CREDIT:JOSH ROBENSTONE
In the US, broadcasters typically take an equity stake in a betting outfit in exchange for sponsorship rights and brand promotion during live sports events. Fox Corp, which is owned by the Murdoch family in the US, has its own wagering company known as FoxBet.
The strategy for BetR is similar: capitalise on the reach of the Murdoch family’s news mastheads, which include the Herald Sun and Daily Telegraph, and its 60 per cent ownership of pay TV provider Foxtel, which broadcasts sporting codes including the AFL, NRL and Australian cricket.

 

[LeagueXIII]

This would have been another reason why Fox couldn't afford to lose AFL.

I'm sure we will benefit also. Though in return will be bombarded with advertising.

 

[LeagueXIII]

If we use the NFL as a guide because what happens there is usually what happens here it seems we could be generating more money through News Corps Sports Betting.

Report: NFL expects to generate $270 million from gambling deals​

Posted by Mike Florio on August 27, 2021, 10:57 AM EDT

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The NFL has gone from hating gambling to loving it, because the NFL has found a way to turn gambling into an extremely viable revenue stream.
With more and more American states legalizing sports wagering, and with the NFL abandoning its past shunning of most things gambling, the league will be making plenty of money from its altered position.



Via the Washington Post, the league expects to generate roughly $270 million in revenue this year from sports betting and gambling deals. NFL executive V.P. and chief strategy and growth officer Christoper Halpin says that, eventually, gambling will become a 10-figure revenue stream. Annually.
“You can definitely see the market growing to $1 billion-plus of league opportunity over this decade,” Halpin told the Post.
That’s great news for football, but it comes with an inherent warning for the current stewards of the game. If some of that revenue isn’t devoted to ensuring the accuracy of calls, protecting inside information, preventing corruption of coaches, players, and officials, and otherwise safeguarding the integrity of the game, the league will be stepping into a bear trap, eventually.
As more and more dollars are legally bet on pro football games, governmental officials will demand that the playing field becomes as level as possible. One scandal will potentially light a fuse for legislation, regulation, and/or prosecution.
Early in the process of various states adopting gambling programs, some sports leagues wanted a piece of the action for the sole purpose of financing programs aimed at ensuring the integrity of the games. That approach never took root, but that doesn’t mean the sports leagues shouldn’t strive for the highest degree of integrity possible.
If they fail, the federal government will do it for them. Thus, the NFL and the other sports leagues must think creatively and proactively to identify all potential problems and to solve them. Unfortunately, creative and proactive thought and execution isn’t one of the NFL’s strong suits.

According to the Washington Post‘s Ben Strauss and Mark Maske, there is a league-wide expectation that the NFL will generation approximately $270 million in revenue through gambling deals this upcoming season. Even better for players and clubs, that number might be far higher in future years.


The Supreme Court overturned a 1992 federal law in May 2018, opening the door for legalized sports betting. As soon as that happened, the NFL began aggressively making plans to be heavily involved in the action.

After prolonged negotiations, the NFL announced an exclusive agreement with Caesars, DraftKings and FanDuel as its official sports-betting partners.

League officials certainly have every reason to believe the revenue generated from these partnerships will climb higher in the future. As of this summer, 20 states passed laws to permit legal sports betting and several more are moving forward with similar laws.

 

[Storm80]

There is no way we want 3 teams in Brisbane. Perth then Adelaide, PNG or maybe Sunshine Coast.

I agree with the bit about working with government and not constantly bickering with them.

I believe Melbourne have recently seen a negative population growth and no media company is going to ignore the majority of the population which live in the states of Queensland and NSW.

The game desperately does need to unhook itself from either Nein or Fox or even both if possible.

I beg to differ on the Brisbane 3 teams thing - maybe I’m including Logan and Ipswich as brisbane. But if the game was run properly, free of News Ltd interference, there would be 3 teams in the Brisbane area by now.

There is a reason why AFL is placing the lions at Springfield in the south west. The growth in Brisbane over next 20 years is predicted to be mainly on the south side of the river not up near Redcliffe, who appear to be happy to rep Sunshine Coast as well which is good for them. Though very few south of the river would go for the dolphins which allows Broncos to probably appeal to 4/5s of the brisbane area population.

I’d say the only reason broncos (News Ltd) didn’t really kick up a fuss about the dolphins in the north is cause they won’t steal the future growth areas of Brisbane from them.

I imagine Lions and AFL would be over the moon dolphins got picked. Two NRL teams based on the northside of the river, leaving AFL to be the only national club on the south (Gabba) and west (Springfield).

I truly think the NRL have kicked an own goal by going with the dolphins and northern suburbs. They’ve handed the south and west to the lions to promote and get kids playing AFL. Broncos can’t be assed promoting the game in the south west.

Just ask yourself which location in Brisbane would piss the AFL off more for a 2nd or 3rd NRL club? The NRL’s answer should have been “wherever the lions HQ is”. They blinked and went for Redcliffe. Huge strategical error by NRL.

Easts tigers and the Brisbane Jets bids were both in the growth areas of Brisbane. And thats exactly where I’d put my 2nd (or 3rd) NRL team.

Hmm I wonder if News Ltd would have been happy with a team in the growth corridor? Is that why Dolphins bid got up?? Did News Ltd influence where the 2nd team would be based?? Hmmm surely News wouldn’t influence NRL decisions like that??? I’m sure there is no precedent or evidence to believe News Ltd would protect their patch as owner of the broncos?? Where have i seen this playbook before??? Hmmm i mean it’s not like the establishment of the SEQ Crushers didnt help spark the SL war?? Hmmm


Anyways… back to southern states

As for Melbourne, everyone’s growth flatted due to covid. They are still projected to pass Sydney by 2030.

https://www.theurbandeveloper.com/articles/melbourne-moves-ahead-to-become-australias-biggest-city

And just to clarify, I certainly wouldn’t suggest any media company or NRL neglect Qld and NSW in favour of southern states.

That’s exactly why I’d have had a 3rd brisbane team by now. I’d have saturated the market and kill off the AFL’s attempt to get a foothold anywhere in Brisbane. Teams in south west Brisbane (covering Ipswich), Brisbane Broncos and north Brisbane. Redlands would be about the only place AFL could base itself.

Regardless of brisbane, the NRL need to capture more of the southern markets to grow the game and keep expanding on TV rights deals.

So I don’t think NRL taking pot shots at WA and Victoria helps the cause at all. To the contrary, it leaves their TV audience to stagnant in NSW and QLD. That ain’t good for business.

News Ltd understood this in 1995 with Super League, yet NRL and Sydney administrators seem not to comprehend the value of Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth when it comes to TV rights and ratings or growing the game. Each city should have had NRL clubs for at least the past 25 years.

The fact there is no long term strategy to get Sydney teams moved to Adelaide and Perth, like AFL did with swans and lions - is so absurd it’s not funny. Off the bat, west tigers to Perth and St George or Cronulla to Adelaide. It’s a no brainer. That’s how you grow the TV rights; by getting exposure in markets with what an extra 5m people.

Yet here we are, NRL are still pandering to Sydney claiming it’s the tribalism that makes the game and clearly living in the 70s. Throw in the fact they can’t even secure NSW government funding to upgrade suburban grounds - the future ain’t Sydney.

It was so clear in the 90’s the future was Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne and NZ second team. That’s probably what a potential audience of 12-15m on TV. So far, by dumb luck they’ve got Victoria (7m) interested (at least during finals) just cause the Storm are so well run.

 

[Perth Red]

From "the dread,' """AFL domestic revenue""" whats that??? thats stiff coming from a immigrant coming to Australia AKA> POM limiting the NRL to what did you say 'domestic revenue' well i don't recognize your domestic revenue tag AND say it's FTA TV, which this thread is all about, but you just twist shit like others here, still waiting on you or a figure 'y'all' stand behind, Wookie.....

So what is the FTA (Seven network) amount , will keep it here for all to see, and revisit in 15 mths, so I say your full of shit and all your mental abilities is of a value of your excrement. So say it's $190m p/a for Seven ( for 23-24 years) you brave wombat....? I mean 'hedgehog' , say it the AFL wins with $190m million dollars... I won't forget and some like me won't forget... $190m from Seven for 23-24 ...but it gets better their paying 14% on top for the new deal well over 200m , infact it makes $216m, good if you can get it... Unless it too good to be true.

Sure the NRL don't come out on top after 2025, BUT their is hope we can sign in 2025 fro a better deal, however you revel in it, to the point where you can't recognize we have come out on top, that's according to what the players have said , IT"S only you and friends that imagine better results for our opposition than needs to be....
Can't fix stupid.

Ffs the total figures are out there officially confirmed by the two codes in front of the world , your as bad as the climate change deniers. you’re the one doing mental gymnastics trying to come up with enough bs to say those total figures are lies.

$382 ($402 minus $20 radio rights) v $593 ($643 minus telstra) if you want a genuine like for like comparison of just purely tv revenue For 2025, 2026 and 2027.

Spin all you like, question all you like, try to dance around splits and contra all you like, those are the facts. End of.

wait and see? Weren’t you one Of those scoffing at the rumours of afl wanting $600mill and claiming there was no way they’d get it? How’d that wait and see go??

 

[The_Wookie]

From "the dread,' """AFL domestic revenue""" whats that??? thats stiff coming from a immigrant coming to Australia AKA> POM limiting the NRL to what did you say 'domestic revenue' well i don't recognize your domestic revenue tag AND say it's FTA TV, which this thread is all about, but you just twist shit like others here, still waiting on you or a figure 'y'all' stand behind, Wookie.....

So what is the FTA (Seven network) amount , will keep it here for all to see, and revisit in 15 mths, so I say your full of shit and all your mental abilities is of a value of your excrement. So say it's $190m p/a for Seven ( for 23-24 years) you brave wombat....? I mean 'hedgehog' , say it, the AFL wins with $190m million dollars... I won't forget and some like me won't forget either ... $190m from Seven for 23-24 ...but it gets better their paying 14% on top for the new deal well over 200m , infact it makes $216m, good if you can get it... Unless it too good to be true.

I dont limit the NRL to domestic revenue, any more than i cancelled out their radio rights component - which under your strict interpretation of tv rights should be excluded. I dont pick and choose what part of the rights deals I like and what I dont. Apparently its cool for you to do so. Whatever.

You can invent all the figures your tiny mind likes and do all the back of the envelope calculations you want from non existent information. I dont have a figure to stand behind, because no figure has been released. We dont really know what Seven are paying next year or not - that hasnt been released, and your hanging your hat on information you simply dont have. Yes, Seven are going up 14%....but from what dollar point?

We know Seven were paying an average of $146m over 5 years from 2020-2024. We know from Sevens ASX release they expected to save $87m between 2020-2022. We know from Sevens ASX release that they are paying 14% more on the 2024 rights.

I dont care what you forget or dont forget. You're going to post whatever crap you likle regardless - apparently with or without the necessary information to base it on.

 

[Chief_Chujo]

According to various sources, then NRL chief executive Todd Greenbergand his then chief commercial officer, Andrew Abdo, presented a paper to the commission in late March strongly advising against signing a new broadcast deal during the pandemic.

hmmmm.

AW: Was it a mistake doing the deal with Foxtel during the pandemic?

At the time, Fox needed an asset on its sheet to continue its viability. If we didn’t come into play, there’d be no Foxtel.


then why the f**k didn’t he hold them over a barrel?

We set up the platform for AFL to be able to do this. If the game hadn’t started on May 28 [2020], and both the NRL and AFL cut their broadcast requirements to make Fox and Nine viable because they were in uncharted waters, they [the AFL] wouldn’t have the platforms to do what they’re doing.

what an arrogant prick. And notice how he keeps bringing up his covid response to deflect current criticism? Also he fails to mention that afl got back all of their covid reduction whilst we got nothing.

‘Without the NRL, there’d be no Foxtel’: V’landys defends broadcast deal against AFL riches

The ARL Commission chairman is under fire after the AFL announced a mammoth broadcast deal with Seven and Foxtel.

www.smh.com.au

This is terrible. He is basically admitting he got fleeced by the networks crying poor. I'm sure Foxtel was on deaths door before he extended with them

 

[Chief_Chujo]

"I saved Foxtel which allowed AFL to get a big deal!"

Even if this were true. It's not his f**king job! His only interest should have been maximizing the NRLs income. f**king stupid fool.

 

[The Penguin #6.]

I dont limit the NRL to domestic revenue, any more than i cancelled out their radio rights component - which under your strict interpretation of tv rights should be excluded. I dont pick and choose what part of the rights deals I like and what I dont. Apparently its cool for you to do so. Whatever.

You can invent all the figures your tiny mind likes and do all the back of the envelope calculations you want from non existent information. I dont have a figure to stand behind, because no figure has been released. We dont really know what Seven are paying next year or not - that hasnt been released, and your hanging your hat on information you simply dont have. Yes, Seven are going up 14%....but from what dollar point?

We know Seven were paying an average of $146m over 5 years from 2020-2024. We know from Sevens ASX release they expected to save $87m between 2020-2022. We know from Sevens ASX release that they are paying 14% more on the 2024 rights.

I dont care what you forget or dont forget. You're going to post whatever crap you likle regardless - apparently with or without the necessary information to base it on.

Spoken like a true fumbleball fan, throw in some hair-pulling and pinching.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I beg to differ on the Brisbane 3 teams thing - maybe I’m including Logan and Ipswich as brisbane. But if the game was run properly, free of News Ltd interference, there would be 3 teams in the Brisbane area by now.

There is a reason why AFL is placing the lions at Springfield in the south west. The growth in Brisbane over next 20 years is predicted to be mainly on the south side of the river not up near Redcliffe, who appear to be happy to rep Sunshine Coast as well which is good for them. Though very few south of the river would go for the dolphins which allows Broncos to probably appeal to 4/5s of the brisbane area population.

I’d say the only reason broncos (News Ltd) didn’t really kick up a fuss about the dolphins in the north is cause they won’t steal the future growth areas of Brisbane from them.

I imagine Lions and AFL would be over the moon dolphins got picked. Two NRL teams based on the northside of the river, leaving AFL to be the only national club on the south (Gabba) and west (Springfield).

I truly think the NRL have kicked an own goal by going with the dolphins and northern suburbs. They’ve handed the south and west to the lions to promote and get kids playing AFL. Broncos can’t be assed promoting the game in the south west.

Just ask yourself which location in Brisbane would piss the AFL off more for a 2nd or 3rd NRL club? The NRL’s answer should have been “wherever the lions HQ is”. They blinked and went for Redcliffe. Huge strategical error by NRL.

Easts tigers and the Brisbane Jets bids were both in the growth areas of Brisbane. And thats exactly where I’d put my 2nd (or 3rd) NRL team.

Hmm I wonder if News Ltd would have been happy with a team in the growth corridor? Is that why Dolphins bid got up?? Did News Ltd influence where the 2nd team would be based?? Hmmm surely News wouldn’t influence NRL decisions like that??? I’m sure there is no precedent or evidence to believe News Ltd would protect their patch as owner of the broncos?? Where have i seen this playbook before??? Hmmm i mean it’s not like the establishment of the SEQ Crushers didnt help spark the SL war?? Hmmm


Anyways… back to southern states

As for Melbourne, everyone’s growth flatted due to covid. They are still projected to pass Sydney by 2030.

https://www.theurbandeveloper.com/articles/melbourne-moves-ahead-to-become-australias-biggest-city

And just to clarify, I certainly wouldn’t suggest any media company or NRL neglect Qld and NSW in favour of southern states.

That’s exactly why I’d have had a 3rd brisbane team by now. I’d have saturated the market and kill off the AFL’s attempt to get a foothold anywhere in Brisbane. Teams in south west Brisbane (covering Ipswich), Brisbane Broncos and north Brisbane. Redlands would be about the only place AFL could base itself.

Regardless of brisbane, the NRL need to capture more of the southern markets to grow the game and keep expanding on TV rights deals.

So I don’t think NRL taking pot shots at WA and Victoria helps the cause at all. To the contrary, it leaves their TV audience to stagnant in NSW and QLD. That ain’t good for business.

News Ltd understood this in 1995 with Super League, yet NRL and Sydney administrators seem not to comprehend the value of Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth when it comes to TV rights and ratings or growing the game. Each city should have had NRL clubs for at least the past 25 years.

The fact there is no long term strategy to get Sydney teams moved to Adelaide and Perth, like AFL did with swans and lions - is so absurd it’s not funny. Off the bat, west tigers to Perth and St George or Cronulla to Adelaide. It’s a no brainer. That’s how you grow the TV rights; by getting exposure in markets with what an extra 5m people.

Yet here we are, NRL are still pandering to Sydney claiming it’s the tribalism that makes the game and clearly living in the 70s. Throw in the fact they can’t even secure NSW government funding to upgrade suburban grounds - the future ain’t Sydney.

It was so clear in the 90’s the future was Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne and NZ second team. That’s probably what a potential audience of 12-15m on TV. So far, by dumb luck they’ve got Victoria (7m) interested (at least during finals) just cause the Storm are so well run.

I live in northern Logan. It is a dyed in the wool rugby league city of 330k people that has been neglected badly by the QRL, NRL, Souths Magpies and Brisbane Broncos over the last 20 years.

The QRL never gave the Logan City Scorpions a chance to establish themselves after admitting them to BRL A Grade in 1988, which was the most tumultuous period in the history of rugby league in Brisbane. The club was forced by the Logan City Council to sign an exorbitant 15-year lease at Meakin Park, despite wanting to be based at Cronulla Park, during the year that the Broncos entered the NSWRL. Sponsorship opportunities for the BRL clubs were small and limited after 1987 because the Broncos represented Brisbane in the larger NSWRL.

The Broncos never helped the Scorpions and their coach Wayne Bennett refused to let the Scorpions select Alan Cann in their A Grade team in 1988. The lease bankrupted the club and forced them into liquidation in 2002. Broncos could have bailed them out but chose not to do so out of greed.

The Scorions folded and Souths Magpies tried to win over the city by adding "Logan" after "Souths" to their name, but they've never been based in Logan and treat it as nothing more than a breeding ground for talent. There was never a merger between the Magpies and Scorpions and the last time Souths had a sub-district club in Logan was 1982.

Thd Brisbane Lions have a social club equipped with 200 pokies in northern Logan's growth area, Springwood. They make a fortune from it and use the money to fund the Springwood Pumas, who are in the midst of relocating to Cronulla Park after the local MP gifted it to them at the tax payer's expense. I tried to get the QRL to re-establish the Scorpions in 2012 and base them out of Cronulla Park, but they never responded.

I've seen a spike in children around Rochedale South and Springwood wearing Brisbane Lions gear. All of this could have been prevented if the lazy and useless bludgers at the QRL, Magpies and Broncos listened to me a decade ago. I have no faith in our governing bodies to get our game on the right path. They're lazy and I suspect they're also corrupt, as there's no way they could be so incompetent and keep their jobs. I'm getting to the point where I'm thinking of giving up on the game as I don't see any evidence it will ever change.

 

[Wb1234]

Nz2

Ninth game

Monday night football

to be announced next year if the dolphins are doing well

this will ensue the nrl deal still remains ahead of the afl deal for a few more years at least until we do a long term deal

 

[colly]

I dont limit the NRL to domestic revenue, any more than i cancelled out their radio rights component - which under your strict interpretation of tv rights should be excluded. I dont pick and choose what part of the rights deals I like and what I dont. Apparently its cool for you to do so. Whatever.

You can invent all the figures your tiny mind likes and do all the back of the envelope calculations you want from non existent information. I dont have a figure to stand behind, because no figure has been released. We dont really know what Seven are paying next year or not - that hasnt been released, and your hanging your hat on information you simply dont have. Yes, Seven are going up 14%....but from what dollar point?

We know Seven were paying an average of $146m over 5 years from 2020-2024. We know from Sevens ASX release they expected to save $87m between 2020-2022. We know from Sevens ASX release that they are paying 14% more on the 2024 rights.

I dont care what you forget or dont forget. You're going to post whatever crap you likle regardless - apparently with or without the necessary information to base it on.

"Tiny mind" , oh no, whats Radio and Tv rights are the same , whats that about... WE are talking about FTA TV money amount ....Like the thread discussion, Try this , I was watching my TV: radio the other day and...... So you admit 'you don't know' and yes I don't know for complete sure... But i hang my hat on that it's smaller than NRL FTA TV rights, we will see BUT we have a figure ( sorry i have to repeat what Seven AFL said ) $146 m (average) for the AFL.. The NRL have $162 million dollars we WIN....Thanks for coming....

 

[Colk]

Nz2

Ninth game

Monday night football

to be announced next year if the dolphins are doing well

this will ensue the nrl deal still remains ahead of the afl deal for a few more years at least until we do a long term deal

Hmm I don’t think NZ 2 will be selected now

 

[Wb1234]

"Tiny mind" , oh no, whats Radio and Tv rights are the same , whats that about... WE are talking about FTA TV money amount ....Like the thread discussion, Try this , I was watching my TV: radio the other day and...... So you admit 'you don't know' and yes I don't know for complete sure... But i hang my hat on that it's smaller than NRL FTA TV rights, we will see BUT we have a figure ( sorry i have to repeat what Seven AFL said ) $146 m (average) for the AFL.. The NRL have $162 million dollars we WIN....Thanks for coming....

He doesn’t even know why Telstra are paying a hundred million a year to the afl or how much foxtel are paying

you would think someone that is all over the ratings could provide some better guideance here

 

[Colk]

This is terrible. He is basically admitting he got fleeced by the networks crying poor. I'm sure Foxtel was on deaths door before he extended with them

I know it is incredible. It was a Yes Minister type interview