2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

[Perth Red]

Why do our deals routinely get beaten by AwFuL?

We rate better than them on Foxtel, so there's no reason we shouldn't be getting more than them from News Ltd for the PTV side of it.

I think it comes down to Murdoch hating our game and having a vendetta against us because he lost so much money on it in the 90s. Plus he's from the southern states, so he would be biased in favour of the other mob.

because we have morons running the game , he pretty much admitted as much himself in his interviews!

 

[Perth Red]

Y

You think a 2nd tier comp can produced out of nowhere and rate more highly then any other sport in Australia bar the AFL and NRL?

You also think it will attract fans who AREN'T interested in the NRL but will be interested in this competition?

You're not living in any reality.

yes
yes
maybe

 

[Wb1234]

more and more unique content for tv

 

[Steel Saints]

more and more unique content for tv

Unique content for mine would've been league documentaries on the digital arm. Hopefully that happens in the future.

 

[Perth Red]

Unique content for mine would've been league documentaries on the digital arm. Hopefully that happens in the future.

Be a bit hard given pistol pete sacked most of the digital arm content creators

 

[Wb1234]

 

[Steel Saints]

Be a bit hard given pistol pete sacked most of the digital arm content creators

The NRL can hire them again in the future. PVL is not going to be there forever.

The thing with the digital arm is the NRL scaled it back thinking they would get more from Nine and allow them to promote the game.

Now the GF ratings weren't great, thanks to a lopsided game. But did Nine do enough to promote the GF?

 

[Iamback]

The NRL can hire them again in the future. PVL is not going to be there forever.

The thing with the digital arm is the NRL scaled it back thinking they would get more from Nine and allow them to promote the game.

Now the GF ratings weren't great, thanks to a lopsided game. But did Nine do enough to promote the GF?

AFL was lower than normal too, It just is the sign of the times. Other metrics are needed for such events

 

[Captain Apollo]

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Not having teams in Adelaide and Perth is down to the influence of the NSWRL, its fans and Sydney media. Brisbane has been under served for 35 years. We're paying the price for it and now is the time for the people responsible for this mess to put their hand up and accept they've stunted our game's growth. They won't though and will continue to come up with all sorts of BS excuses to justify their stance and argue for more of the same. The most frustrating thing is smart people like @Perth Red and @The Great Dane have been warning us for over a decade, yet no one would listen..

The "influence of the NSWRL, its fans and the Sydney media"? That is complete and utter bullshit!!!

It was the NSWRL that first got the idea of the western Reds into the public eye, and supported it on the ARL for inclusion in 1995 first grade competition. The reds had a good financial model, and a reasonable junior base. After the settlement of the SL war, it dies for one reason - News Ltd (who by then were financing it) wanted it gone as it wanted to reduce its financial liabilities of financing it directly and, as it was joint owner of the NRL with the ARL, it wanted to reduce the NRL's financial liabilities so it could take more money out of its coffers as a "dividend". Remember, when the NRL was formed, the NRL assumed all transportation costs for team travel when they were playing outside of their home city.

As to Adelaide, they haven't had much base or interest in rugby league. The Rams only came about because News Ltd needed a 10th team for its SL competition after it could not get enough established clubs to defect, and it was suggested to create an Adelaide based team as it was the spiritual home of New Ltd considering that is where the Murdoch Media empire first started. In fact it was a couple of SARL staff (as the SARL defected to Super League) who proposed it as they hoped to get a job out of it (which they didn't). News Ltd let it die in the SL settlement as they were propping it up financially as it had few sponsors, and little public interest.

 

[Canard]

What does the AFLW get in regards to TV rights?

The "influence of the NSWRL, its fans and the Sydney media"? That is complete and utter bullshit!!!

It was the NSWRL that first got the idea of the western Reds into the public eye, and supported it on the ARL for inclusion in 1995 first grade competition. The reds had a good financial model, and a reasonable junior base. After the settlement of the SL war, it dies for one reason - News Ltd (who by then were financing it) wanted it gone as it wanted to reduce its financial liabilities of financing it directly and, as it was joint owner of the NRL with the ARL, it wanted to reduce the NRL's financial liabilities so it could take more money out of its coffers as a "dividend". Remember, when the NRL was formed, the NRL assumed all transportation costs for team travel when they were playing out of their home city.

As to Adelaide, they haven't had much base or interest in rugby league. The Rams only came about because News Ltd needed a 10th team for its SL competition after it could not get enough established clubs to defence, and it was suggested to create an Adelaide based team as it was the spiritual home of New Ltd considering that is where the Murdoch Media empire first started. In fact it was a couple of SARL staff (as the SARL defected to Super League) who proposed it as they hoped to get a job out of it (which they didn't). News Ltd let it dies in the SL settlement as they were propping it up financially as it had few sponsors, and little public interest.

Who are "these people" that @Get Rid of The Donkeys would like to "put their hands up" also?

I mean who is left in any NRL role from the late 90s??

 

[Perth Red]

What does the AFLW get in regards to TV rights?

Its not separated out so impossible to know. It is interesting question re how much secondary comps have in tv value. I doubt they are much of a subscriber driver so I suspect not a lot.

 

[Wb1234]

What does the AFLW get in regards to TV rights?

Who are "these people" that @Get Rid of The Donkeys would like to "put their hands up" also?

I mean who is left in any NRL role from the late 90s??

Quayle

 

[Canard]

Quayle

What's John Quayle involvement in the game these days? Isn't he like 1000 years old?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The "influence of the NSWRL, its fans and the Sydney media"? That is complete and utter bullshit!!!

It was the NSWRL that first got the idea of the western Reds into the public eye, and supported it on the ARL for inclusion in 1995 first grade competition. The reds had a good financial model, and a reasonable junior base. After the settlement of the SL war, it dies for one reason - News Ltd (who by then were financing it) wanted it gone as it wanted to reduce its financial liabilities of financing it directly and, as it was joint owner of the NRL with the ARL, it wanted to reduce the NRL's financial liabilities so it could take more money out of its coffers as a "dividend". Remember, when the NRL was formed, the NRL assumed all transportation costs for team travel when they were playing outside of their home city.

As to Adelaide, they haven't had much base or interest in rugby league. The Rams only came about because News Ltd needed a 10th team for its SL competition after it could not get enough established clubs to defect, and it was suggested to create an Adelaide based team as it was the spiritual home of New Ltd considering that is where the Murdoch Media empire first started. In fact it was a couple of SARL staff (as the SARL defected to Super League) who proposed it as they hoped to get a job out of it (which they didn't). News Ltd let it die in the SL settlement as they were propping it up financially as it had few sponsors, and little public interest.

Can you please stop publishing this revisionist bullshit?

There's no evidence to support your crazy claims.

In Neil Cadigan's book, 20 Years In The Saddle, North Queensland Cowboys 1995-2014, there's a chapter dedicated to the bidding process in 1992 and another one on why the Cowboys signed with Super League in March 1995. It thoroughly refutes the bullshit claims you're dressing up as fact. I've already posted transcripts of it in another thread. I can go take a screenshot of it to thoroughly expose your lies if you like?

It doesn't surprise me that the usual knuckledragging morons like your bullshit post.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I made a transcript of key points from Neil Cadigan's book 20 Years In The Saddle, North Queensland Cowboys 1995-2014, explaining how the NSWRL sabotaged expansion in the early 90s.

Here it is.

Here's a snippet from page 41.

"An agreement, as requested by the NSWRL after pressure from other clubs, [for the Cowboys] to pay not only for the travel of the Cowboys to away games but also visiting clubs to Townsville, a prohibitive cost estimated at about $800,000 a year."​

Here's some snippets from pages 44-45.

Revised applications from the three aspirating clubs (North Queensland, Brisbane and Perth) were due to be lodged by 31 October 1993, to be viewed initially by the premiership policy committee of Peter Moore (chairman, from the Canterbury club), Quayle, John Ribot (Brisbane Broncos), Bob Millward (Illawarra) Denis Fitzgerald (Parramatta), Paul Cross and Paul Harrison (both independent), before going to the directors Arthurson, Quayle, Bellew, Moore, Terry Parker (South Sydney), Laurie Doust, and independent businessmen George Gaines and Graham Lovett.​

Western Reds were also saddled with these ridiculous stipulations and were destitute midway through the 1995 season because of it. They signed with News Ltd to stay afloat. Now we have lying revisionists like @Captain Apollo telling us they were loaded with funds. Pull another one.

@Canard, who do you think?

The bastards who sacrificed Adelaide, Perth, Gold Coast and South Queensland so we could keep unviable Sydney clubs afloat. Chargers had money in the bank and were profitable, but we're given the axe while basket cases like Magpies and Tigers were kept around. Sharks should have gotten the boot. News Ltd played a role, but so too did the ARL/NSWRL with its favouritism towards the Sydney clubs. There's no way Chargers should have been culled so a destitute Magpies could fumble around in 1999. Crushers were a mess, but there was more upside in keeping them than at propping up least six struggling Sydney clubs.

Reds and Rams had way more potential than most Sydney clubs.

 

[Wb1234]

What's John Quayle involvement in the game these days? Isn't he like 1000 years old?

Working with the govts stadium body or something similar

75 years old and would still be more valuable then any other commissioner

 

[westerntiger]

Reds and Rams had way more potential than most Sydney clubs.

The total number of people in Adelaide who know there's two types of rugby could probably be counted on one hand lol

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The total number of people in Adelaide who know there's two types of rugby could probably be counted on one hand lol

Which won't change until they're given a team to support. The drawing capacity of the Sydney clubs is pretty shit if few people in Adelaide know which sport they play.

It didn't stop the Adelaide Rams from drawing better crowds than most Sydney clubs in 1997.

 

[westerntiger]

It didn't stop the Adelaide Rams from drawing better crowds than most Sydney clubs in 1997.

But would they bring in the TV dollars?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

But would they bring in the TV dollars?

Yes, because they represent a new market.

Ch9 preferred Western Reds over the North Queensland Crushers and South Queensland Crushers in the 90s as they provided a new timeslot in a new market.