2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

[Perth Red]

Is Roy saying,


Fox could own/show all the games? Just show the minimum number of games to satisfy the anti-siphoning laws on one of its free apps?

We see if the game is on a digital channel what the audience drop off is, I wonder how low it would be of it was only on kayo free? Its amazing how many people still don't use apps on their smart tv's.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

There is no doubt streaming is the future. The Ch7 coverage of the Olympics on their digital platform was outstanding on my smart tv. That is what NRL will eventually become. Grant knew this and was pushing hard for NRL to own it, not just on sell it.

I am still wondering if the NRL own the digital rights arm that was a hot topic last year? All seems to have gone quiet on that front.

 

[Perth Red]

I am still wondering if the NRL own the digital rights arm that was a hot topic last year? All seems to have gone quiet on that front.

We dont know what Vlandys has sold off to his news ltd mates.

 

[tri_colours]

I am still wondering if the NRL own the digital rights arm that was a hot topic last year? All seems to have gone quiet on that front.

The numbers streamed by C9 during Origin were reported.

 

[tri_colours]

Disagree, crowds are sht as is, no need to be giving couch potatoes more reasons to stay at home! FTA should be Fri, Sat and 2 games simucast games Sun imo. I look forward to when streaming really takes over and we dont feel the need to have every game stand alone live, will mean a bigger comp and better fan friendly KO times.

There are no matches shown on a Saturday and the crowds are still shit.

 

[colly]

We dont know what Vlandys has sold off to his news ltd mates.

Your a broken record. Go to ABC four corners, they seem to need some evidence of what you say. Put a hat on , have a light behind you , distorted voice , threatening music. I see news ltd make up 60% of total NRL revenue, whats your plan to do away with $200 each year. Lets sell too fake book, Dinsey + ( not with the scandals and buckets of blood) Don't bite the hand that feeds comes to mind. It's not a great market with corona virus so if we get a bit better than we got last time, with other revenue like NZ and possible international we will be bigger pie than the AFL.

 

[Perth Red]

There are no matches shown on a Saturday and the crowds are still shit.

Fair call!

 

[Captain Apollo]

Feels to me like they could offer a diluted FTA deal to ch10 with non-exclusivity of GF and Origins and then try to top back up on Foxtel with those matches. Might work to offset costs a little. To my mind, still desperately need Saturday FTA coverage and a more substantial all round FTA coverage. Why not all 8 games for example? Or 6 at the least.

The NRL can't offer "non-exclusivity of GF and Origins" to any free to air channel as the anti-siphoning laws list the NRL Grand Final and State of Origins as events which FTA has first dibs on.

As it says here (https://www.communications.gov.au/policy/policy-listing/anti-siphoning) -

Pay TV can televise an event if:

• the event is automatically removed from the anti-siphoning list
• the minister removes the event from the list
• a national broadcaster (ABC or SBS) or commercial broadcaster with a combined audience of more than half of the Australian population has purchased the rights
• 7 days have passed since the end of the event.

As such the NRL are, by law, prevented from offering a package like you suggest.

 

[Starkers]

The NRL can't offer "non-exclusivity of GF and Origins" to any free to air channel as the anti-siphoning laws list the NRL Grand Final and State of Origins as events which FTA has first dibs on.

As it says here (https://www.communications.gov.au/policy/policy-listing/anti-siphoning) -



As such the NRL are, by law, prevented from offering a package like you suggest.

surely they can offer FTA on 10 and simulcast rights to Fox? i can't see how that is anti competitive? if so it should work to increase the value of the fox deal.

 

[tri_colours]

NRL Expansion: 17th team hopes grow as Peter V’landys pitches plans to host broadcaster Foxtel​

The NRL expansion process took a giant leap forward on Thursday after ARL Commission boss Peter V’landys formally pitched a 17-team competition to broadcast partner Foxtel.
Peter Badel, Brent Read and Travis Meyn


After years of speculation over a second Brisbane team in the NRL, the league has finally formally pitched a 17-team competition to broadcast partner Foxtel.
ARL Commission boss Peter V’landys confirmed he took to Foxtel executives on Thursday a competition with a second Brisbane team from 2023 or 2024 – the NRL’s first moves to expand since the Gold Coast Titans entered the competition in 2007.
The negotiations for a 17th team have so far been the most delicate V’landys has confronted since taking the reins at the ARLC two years ago, with strong concerns about the expansion plan among some of the code’s existing 16 clubs.
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Peter V'landys is convinced a second Brisbane team will work.
V’landys, however, is understood to be convinced a second Brisbane team would grow the game in southeast Queensland – and that was a key part of his pitch to Foxtel.
The three bidders for the new licence – the Firehawks, Jets and Dolphins – delivered their formal presentations to the NRL’s Expansion Assessment Committee last Monday week.
The ARLC is understood to be meeting next week to discuss the merits of each bid, with V’landys keen to make a final decision on expansion within a fortnight ahead of a final Commission decision by the end of the month.
But V’landys last Sunday said expansion couldn’t go ahead without the support of broadcasters Foxtel and free-to-air partner Nine, regardless of the quality of the bid.
“The broadcasters are supportive,” V’landys said at the time.

“We are finally making traction with the broadcasters and getting a final figure from them is important.

“That’s why Fox is critical in this because where the broadcasters will win out is by us bringing in a new audience.”

He said the key would be to attract a new audience that would subscribe to Foxtel or its sports streaming platform Kayo to watch the games.

“That’s where the broadcasters will make their money,” he said.

Could the Broncos soon have a derby partner?
“A team that has tribalism will get you extra subscribers. Can you imagine a Brisbane derby ... the tribalism and rivalry will bring additional subscribers and that’s where the broadcaster can win.

“That’s what we have stressed to the bidders. You can’t migrate an audience that usually supports the Broncos or the Titans, they have to bring in a new tribe.”

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Firehawks bid chief Shane Richardson said V’landys’ ability to strike the right broadcasting deal with Fox would be a critical factor in whether Brisbane will have a second team.

“Fox have to be shown why it is valuable to them, and I would feel the same way if I was running a business,’’ he said.

 

[LeagueXIII]

That's what it's all about...not expanding the sport just getting more subscribers for Foxtel....

 

[Perth Red]

Always harder to sell something extra after you’ve sold the main thing but best of luck to them in the negotiations. The nrl desperately needs to start growing.

 

[tri_colours]

Always harder to sell something extra after you’ve sold the main thing but best of luck to them in the negotiations. The nrl desperately needs to start growing.

I guess thats not a bad comeback PR.

 

[Perth Red]

I guess thats not a bad comeback PR.

Real value is in the ninth game and new audiences but we are too weak to see it.
id like to know how he will spin it if they come back and say no thanks, it will be a terrible look for the game!
Hopefully he can use his mateship with news ltd to get them to agree, $10mill isn’t much to them, then he has to get at least $5mill extra out of fta. Presuming fox don’t stump up the full $15mill plus they’ll be after. It’s around 50-60,0000new subscribers to make it worthwhile to fox.

 

[tri_colours]

Real value is in the ninth game and new audiences but we are too weak to see it.
id like to know how he will spin it if they come back and say no thanks, it will be a terrible look for the game!
Hopefully he can use his mateship with news ltd to get them to agree, $10mill isn’t much to them, then he has to get at least $5mill extra out of fta. Presuming fox don’t stump up the full $15mill plus they’ll be after. It’s around 50-60,0000new subscribers to make it worthwhile to fox.

Who knows what he's got in mind. I doubt he would be pitching the deal to Fox if it was already completed

I do think something like this, more Brisbane games would have more appeal to a FTA Network. You've would have to admit the timing does seems perfect.

 

[Perth Red]

Network Ten owners CBS Viacom has deep pockets and despite poor ratings in the past, the US owned network is currently working on making a major pitch for the rights to NRL according to sources.

The move is seen internally as way for the network to bolster their fortunes and be seen as a major free to air TV network, some insiders have said that the NRL is backing the move as a way to put pressure on the current holders of the free to air rights Nine Entertainment.

One stumbling block is believed to be Foxtel as CBS Viacom also own the recently launched Paramount + and want to stream more sport on their own streaming network this could lead to them making a pitch for the rights to State Of Origin which we understand the Seven Network will also make a bid for.

Currently Nine Entertainment are being pushed to pay more for the NRL rights going forward, as well las sign up for a five-year deal similar to what Foxtel have in place with the NRL.
ChannelNews has been told that the rights could go for $100M up from the $85M a season that Nine are currently paying.

Currently, the NRL receives two-thirds of its total broadcast revenue from Foxtel, which last year extended its pay-TV deal until the 2027 season. NRL boss Peter V’landys is said to want the organisation’s free-to-air deal to be paid up to the same year.

V’landys is also concerned that Nine Entertainment who also have the rights to Rugby Union in Australia after Foxtel chose not to bid for the rights, is heavily promoting Rugby on their Stan streaming network at the expense of NRL.

One source said, “Getting the NRL rights will go a long way to fixing Network Tens profile with consumers”.

“It’s also a cheap way for a US owned network to bolster an Australian owned asset as they also have the benefit of a weak Australian dollar which at A$100M is only US$72M”.

Nine is currently paying for the rights to three weekly Thursday, Friday and Sunday games, plus Saturday games in the last month of the regular season, all finals games (including the grand final) and its jewel in the crown, the State of Origin series.

ChannelNews understands that the Seven, Nine and Ten networks are all bidding for State Of Origin Rights and that the NRL could see a “significant lift” in revenue from the rights to the State Of Origin Games.

In the USA CBS Viacom, ESPN/ABC, Fox, and NBC agreed to pay $123 Billion the next 11 years for the rights to air pro football games, a 108 percent increase compared with the $59 billion the networks will have spent when their current deal ends this year.

The NFL games’ total cost will reach about $144 billion when Amazon’s streaming deal is included claim observers/

A Ten insider confirmed to News Corp recently: “We’re interested”, before quickly adding: “but we’re waiting for the NRL’s engagement.”

We also understand that a fight is also emerging for the Australian right to the English Premier League, the world’s most watched soccer competition.

The EPL rights, currently held by Optus, are expected to fetch as much as $80 million annually in the auction which will be held before the end of the year, according to industry sources who requested anonymity because the process is confidential claims the SMH.

channelnews : Deep Pockets CBS Viacom Set To Bid For NRL To Bolster TEN

Network Ten owners CBS Viacom has deep pockets and despite poor ratings in the past, the US owned network is currently working on making a major pitch for the rights to NRL according to sources. The move is seen internally as way for the network to bolster their fortunes and be seen as a...

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[ayatollah_murdoch]

EPL going for 80% of NRL FTA rights. Pretty amazing.

 

[Perth Red]

EPL going for 80% of NRL FTA rights. Pretty amazing.

Yeh makes you wonder if they’re overpriced or we’re under sold!

 

[Starkers]

no direct quotes again, and never heard of this page, but bring it on.

 

[The_Wookie]

Yeh makes you wonder if they’re overpriced or we’re under sold!

Optus needs it, Paramount wants it. Both have big money to throw at it. Stan probably having a crack too. I doubt Fox will have a go, their model doesnt really require it.