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2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

titoelcolombiano

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We should call 9's bluff. There is no reason why the NRL comp alone (without SOO) shouldn't get the same or more than the AFL considering the ratings. Rep football should then be sold as the cream on top... you'd have a good package to sell:

- SOO
- Women's SOO
- All Star Game
- Internationals (crucially as @Perth Red pointed out, would also force the ARLC to commit to playing regular meaningful fixtures)
 
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The contract details with Foxtel were never revealed
Are you sure
PR has ranted for ages about everything related to te deal .
He was the GURU without knowing details of the deal or wether there was any clause that stated that the details were not to be made public .
Never stopped his anti PVL rants .
 

Perth Red

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Are you sure
PR has ranted for ages about everything related to te deal .
He was the GURU without knowing details of the deal or wether there was any clause that stated that the details were not to be made public .
Never stopped his anti PVL rants .
All untrue but nice rant. Nice to see Im still living in your head lol
 

Perth Red

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but it is big news

it gives impetus to the expansion strategy cancelling out financial concerns

an increased deal will bankroll expansion
yes its great news, if true. If there has been agreement already that Fox will pay more than agreed if a 17th team comes in during the next rights period then that's very positive.
 

Johnny88

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Nine boss says sports rights deals aren’t purely about dollars​

Zoe Samios

By Zoe Samios

August 29, 2021 — 4.58pm

Nine Entertainment Co boss Mike Sneesby has said he is confident the NRL isn’t solely focused on large amounts of money from a future broadcast partner, despite the code progressing talks with rival networks in an effort to shore up at least $115 million a year from a new deal.

Industry sources, who spoke anonymously because the talks are confidential, said the NRL is in talks with the three commercial free-to-air television networks about the potential to run games across multiple networks and ideally wants more than $115 million a year over five years. The sources said no bids have been submitted, but there is interest from Seven for one game a week and the State of Origin matches.

Some inside US-owned Network Ten are also interested in acquiring the rights for the NRL premiership and the State of Origin series, but a bid will depend on whether it has the money following the acquisition of the rights to soccer’s A-League, W-League, key international fixtures involving Australia’s men’s and women’s teams as well as the FFA Cup and other Asian tournaments.
“I’d hope we get to the right commercial outcome with the NRL on a longer-term deal, but obviously these deals aren’t all about purely what the dollars involved are,” Mr Sneesby told The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age following the company’s annual results last week. “They’re also about what is right for the game, long term. I’m really confident in both [NRL chief executive] Andrew Abdo and [ARLC chairman] Peter V’landys’ focus and ability to develop and grow their game.

“There isn’t a better media company suited to helping them on that journey and helping to develop the NRL. I know that their view around the game won’t simply be commercial, it’ll be what’s best for the game.”
Nine executives made a formal presentation to Mr V’landys and Mr Abdo earlier this month, proposing a renewal of their existing rights deal with the code and outlining their plans for the future. But Mr V’landys was vocal in the meeting about a lack of promotion for rugby league by Nine, which owns The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age, radio, streaming and digital assets.

Sources involved in the talks said the NRL is expecting a minimum of $115 million annually for a five-year rights deal, which would allow the free-to-air network deal to coincide with the expiry of a deal in place with pay-TV and streaming company, Foxtel. The sources indicated Nine currently does not want to pay this price but equally does not want the matches to be split across multiple networks. Other networks can bid once Nine submits an offer, and it is rejected by the NRL.
The NRL broadcast rights are the biggest in sport to go to market this year. While sports are typically loss-making events for a television broadcaster, they can be used to promote other key programs for a channel and boost audiences and advertising revenue.

As the rights come up for grabs, the NRL is weighing up a series of changes that could add value to the game. Among them is the prospect of a 17th team in the NRL competition. League bosses are meeting with three Queensland teams - the Redcliffe Dolphins, Brisbane Firehawks and Brisbane Jets - that are hoping to win the bid for the 17th team.
A report by the NRL from June said that based on the current broadcast deal and the value per viewer, adding a new team could increase broadcast market value to $362 million (up $13 million) if all 12 new matches ran on Foxtel and $374 million (up $25 million) if all 12 ran on both Foxtel and Nine.

Mr Sneesby declined to comment on whether the prospect of a 17th team in the NRL competition would increase the value for the rights, but he is likely to be wary of costs. Nine’s share price fell 10 per cent when it released its results, due to concerns about a spike in costs for Stan Sport and the television network.

Nine and the NRL renegotiated their existing contract last May in the early stages of the COVID-19 pandemic. Nine secured a discount on its current deal due to a lack of crowds and temporary suspension of games but did not against the deal beyond 2023. Failure of Nine and the NRL to secure an extension was despite a decision by the NRL to block Telstra from broadcasting games for free to its customers, which was considered a way to increase the value of the rights for a potential free-to-air partner.

Foxtel, which provides 66 per cent of the NRL’s broadcast revenue, decided to extend its pay-TV deal with the code to 2027 during last May’s negotiations.
Interest from all broadcasters is not unusual in the early stages of rights negotiations. Networks and sporting negotiations typically fight over a range of terms, but it is rare that relationships between major sports and broadcasters are not renewed. Nine has held rugby league rights for more than three decades.
 

Perth Red

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So we are hoping for possibly $50mil less in our FTA deal?
Sht the Fox deal better be good!

“There isn’t a better media company suited to helping them on that journey and helping to develop the NRL. I know that their view around the game won’t simply be commercial, it’ll be what’s best for the game.”

Thats you fricked then mate!
 

tri_colours

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If Channel Nine loses its NRL rights, it would not only precipitate the rapid decline of the network but also challenge the code’s future on free-to-air TV, according to Colin Smith, one of Australia’s leading sports and media rights experts.

“The AFL and NRL are ‘must haves’ for FTA TV,” Smith said. “Channel Ten’s decade of misery began with the loss of AFL and NRL rights.”

Over the same period, TV viewers - especially Millennials - have abandoned FTA linear TV and increasingly moved to streaming services.

“FTA TV is not dead but it will need to be increasingly streamed to survive and premium sport, news and reality shows are the key drivers,” Smith said.
There is a hint of desperation over the sale of the NRL’s FTA rights, which expire at the end of next season. Rugby League Central recently jettisoned its TV shows on nrl.com, possibly to placate potential bidders who claim such in-house production represents competition.

Furthermore, media reports suggesting ARL Commission chairman Peter V’landys may break up the NRL properties and sell State of Origin, finals series and premiership matches separately to channels Seven and Ten is standard code for saying the incumbent telecaster is not offering enough money. Nine’s hardline position is understandable, given V’landys has already sold pay TV rights to Foxtel until 2027, presumably with simulcast rights.

When simulcast of Nine’s three and four NRL games a week on Foxtel started a decade or so ago, Foxtel penetration into Australian homes was a stable 30 per cent. Now there are 1.054 million Kayo subscribers (and growing) on top of 1.885 million linear subs and 219,000 on Foxtel Now.

If V’landys has also sold exclusive streaming rights to Rupert Murdoch’s Foxtel, it would mean an FTA network could telecast NRL only via aerials, meaning no games on its digital channels.
This would play into the hands of Foxtel’s Kayo Freebies, which looms as a potential challenger to Nine’s NRL FTA rights.

Kayo Freebies satisfies the federal government’s anti–siphoning legislation, which was designed to guarantee Australians receive premium sporting content free, because streaming did not begin until after these laws were enacted in 1992. (Nine lost Netball to Foxtel this year, with premium games free on Kayo Freebie and others behind a pay wall, available to subscribers on Foxtel and Kayo).

Deakin University’s Dr Hunter Fujak, author of Code Wars, argues that if AFL or NRL migrated to Kayo Freebies, it would likely precipitate an accelerated decline in the FTA networks and be counterproductive to sport’s long-term interests.
“Once FTA crumbles, it’ll be hard to rebuild competitive tension in the sports rights marketplace, unless we start to see other larger digital players, such as Amazon, get serious about streaming,” Dr Fujak said.

Long-term TV future of NRL hinges on next free-to-air deal​



Smith is more optimistic. He says Channel Seven’s superlative coverage of the Tokyo Olympics showed the way forward for FTA TV.
A former world champion rower, Smith followed his sport on 7Plus, used by the network for access to all the Olympic Sports.

“Seven reasserted FTA TV for broadcasting premium sports by providing ‘wall to wall’ Olympic content on its main channel, 7Mate and critically on their streamed service 7Plus,” he said.
“That’s the future for free-to-air TV ... mainstream sport shown on a variety of linear and digital channels.”
Nine is well placed to capitalise on this, with its digital channels 9Now and its subscription service, Stan Sport.
Ten, now owned by leading US media company ViacomCBS, with its new streaming service Paramount+, is better placed to navigate the digital migration of viewers.
Smith argues FTA TV is built on three core broadcast offerings - mainstream sport, news and reality shows, such as The Block which was seventh last year on the most watched list of programs. Live sport, including the AFL and NRL grand finals, State of Origin and the Australian Open, seized the first six places.
 
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titoelcolombiano

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Great to see Vlandy's calling 9 out on their appalling track record when it comes to promoting RL.

Re: the decline of FTA leading to less competitive tension, I just don't see it. There will always be new competition arriving for premium content like the NRL is offering. It will most likely be in the form of streaming though, as this is the way people are increasingly consuming TV and movies now. I can't remember the last time I watched 9's coverage that wasn't through the 9 now app.
 
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Perth Red

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Great to see Vlandy's calling 9 out on their appalling track record when it comes to promoting RL.

Re: the decline of FTA leading to less competitive tension, I just don't see it. There will always be new competition arriving for premium content like the NRL is offering most likely in the form of streaming though as this is the way people are increasingly consuming TV and movies now. I can't remember the last time I watched 9's coverage that wasn't through the 9 now app.
There is no doubt streaming is the future. The Ch7 coverage of the Olympics on their digital platform was outstanding on my smart tv. That is what NRL will eventually become. Grant knew this and was pushing hard for NRL to own it, not just on sell it.
 

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Anyone able to post it?

Nine Network boss warns of the NRL of perils of splitting the broadcasting rights​

ARL Commission chair Peter V’landys needs to increase broadcasting revenue to convince the clubs to back expansion Picture: Jonathan Ng ARL Commission chair Peter V’landys needs to increase broadcasting revenue to convince the clubs to back expansion Picture: Jonathan Ng
Nine Network boss Mike Sneesby has fired a shot across the bow of the NRL, warning them that they risk diluting the value of their broadcast rights if they sell the State of Origin series and premiership matches as separate entities.
The Australian on Tuesday revealed that the Seven Network was eyeing off the jewel in rugby league’s crown, State of Origin. Seven are also said to be interested in securing rights to at least one premiership match per round while the Ten Network have been linked with grabbing a slice of the NRL pie.
At the moment, rights for the premiership and Origin reside with the Nine Network, although their agreement with the NRL is set to expire at the end of 2022.

The NRL has been locked in negotiations with Nine over an extension to their existing deal and Sneesby warned the game’s powerbrokers they would be taking a financial risk by splitting the rights for Origin and premiership games among two or more networks.
“I’m not going to go into details around where we’re up to with a commercial negotiation with the NRL,” Sneesby said.
“Suffice to say from a broad perspective – and this applies with anything that we’re looking at in sport – if rights are split with a major sport like the NRL, the value of those rights gets diluted.
“If you look at our media platforms, our total television business, and our ability to really get behind the long-term growth of a sport, and the plans that (ARL Commission chair) Peter V’landys and (NRL chief executive) Andrew Abdo have for the NRL, we are the best-placed media business to be able to help support the growth and the future of the game, in partnership with the NRL.
“If you begin to split rights, that starts to dilute that opportunity, and makes it increasingly difficult.
“Certainly, our view is, keeping the rights together is a much better outcome for the game.”
Sneesby declined to buy into speculation that the NRL was unhappy over the amount of promotion Nine gave to rugby union – shown on their streaming service Stan – during this year’s Australian Open tennis.
“I’m not going to go into responding to things that have either been speculated or quoted in the media,” he said.
Origin is a sure-fire ratings winner, consistently among the most watched shows on Australian television every year.
Nine would be loath to lose it and it shapes as a key plank in broadcasting talks as pressure mounts on V’landys and Abdo to deliver a bumper new deal for the code given they are intent on expanding to 17 teams, potentially as early as 2023.
Final discussions have already been held with the three bidding parties – Redcliffe Dolphins, Brisbane Firehawks and Brisbane Jets – over their respective bids and the NRL’s expansion committee will meet again on Thursday to discuss the next step.
There is a chance at that meeting that they could make a firm recommendation to go to the ARL Commission next week on when and if expansion should go ahead. Their next challenge will be getting the existing clubs on side.
Whether that happens will largely depend on the ability of V’landys and Abdo to extract additional money from the broadcasters. The likelihood is that talks with free-to-air partners may not be complete until later in the year, meaning the ARL Commission will largely be reliant on Foxtel to come to the party.
It has been reported previously that the commission had a clause built into their deal with Foxtel that catered for fresh talks should the game move to 17 teams.
There is a view that Foxtel and Kayo numbers in Queensland in particular would benefit from an additional team, but the question will be how much additional money they are willing to pay to cover the fresh expense of another side.
The Gemba Group report, commissioned by the clubs to review the implications of a 17th team, found that a new team would generate 2.6 million extra viewers if all 12 additional matches were broadcasted via Foxtel and 9.3 million if they were broadcast via Foxtel and a free-to-air provider.
Based on the current broadcasting deal, that would lead to a $13 million increase if the 12 additional matches were on Foxtel and $25 million if they were simulcast. Even that may not be enough to appease the existing clubs, who have suggested expansion needs to be worth as much as $40 million a season for them to jump on board.
It means V’landys and Abdo are under extreme pressure to maximise their broadcasting revenue if they are to succeed with their expansion plans.

 

Starkers

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Feels to me like they could offer a diluted FTA deal to ch10 with non-exclusivity of GF and Origins and then try to top back up on Foxtel with those matches. Might work to offset costs a little. To my mind, still desperately need Saturday FTA coverage and a more substantial all round FTA coverage. Why not all 8 games for example? Or 6 at the least.
 

tri_colours

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Is Roy saying,
This would play into the hands of Foxtel’s Kayo Freebies, which looms as a potential challenger to Nine’s NRL FTA rights.

Kayo Freebies satisfies the federal government’s anti–siphoning legislation,

Fox could own/show all the games? Just show the minimum number of games to satisfy the anti-siphoning laws on one of its free apps?
 

Perth Red

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Feels to me like they could offer a diluted FTA deal to ch10 with non-exclusivity of GF and Origins and then try to top back up on Foxtel with those matches. Might work to offset costs a little. To my mind, still desperately need Saturday FTA coverage and a more substantial all round FTA coverage. Why not all 8 games for example? Or 6 at the least.
Disagree, crowds are sht as is, no need to be giving couch potatoes more reasons to stay at home! FTA should be Fri, Sat and 2 games simucast games Sun imo. I look forward to when streaming really takes over and we dont feel the need to have every game stand alone live, will mean a bigger comp and better fan friendly KO times.
 

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