2023 State of Origin ~ Game 1 *31st May*

[PARRA_FAN]

Hearing Brandy talk in 360 last night showed anyone from Penrith and Teddy is a protected species.

Apparently Teddy played well, as did Cleary. He labelled Cleary's kicking game and running game great in origin.

The team wont change aside from injuries

Although he's very disliked, I often wonder what wouldve happened if Kent was on there. He probably wouldve asked the tough questions and really question the passion for NSW, like he's done in the past losing the series in 2020 and last year, and also the 3rd game in 2021.

Cleary and Tedesco couldve had 20 knock ons and Alexander would still defend them

 

[TheRam]

Wasn't there someone on here who kept saying we sould be trying to get Fittler as our FG coach?
Was it @TheRam?

Yep, but that was when I had less of a sample size, desperate and didn't realize that it isn't a gimmick, Freddy is perpetually baked off his head.

 

[84 Baby]

Wasn't there someone on here who kept saying we sould be trying to get Fittler as our FG coach?
Was it @TheRam?

I’ve found with Alexander on Fox when he’s with Cronk or any recent player, it’s clear he has no idea about the modern game intricacies. I’m beginning to suspect this is actually the same with Fittler (passed him by while he was out of playing/coaching and has never bothered to catch up) and even Johns even though he has been involved with coaching, it’s more specific skill based than overall training knowledge.
So they’re picking who they think are good without actually knowing what makes a good player these days. Then because they don’t have that knowledge, may as well throw their tactics in the bin because they’re not applicable to the players they are picking.
And then overthinking everything by shifting 3 players (JAC, Crichton & Too) to the opposite sides they play at club level to fit Trnwbxhcevic in, who doesn’t play centre at club level and is at his best when roaming anyway, or starting inexperienced and less physical Hudson Dumb over Martin/Murray or Pangai over Paulo

 

[T.S Quint]

Yep, but that was when I had less of a sample size, desperate and didn't realize that it isn't a gimmick, Freddy is perpetually baked off his head.

I think theres a lesson in this.
Just because you don't like the current coach doesn't mean you should just go out and hire the first bloke off the street.

 

[King-Gutho94]

Although he's very disliked, I often wonder what wouldve happened if Kent was on there. He probably wouldve asked the tough questions and really question the passion for NSW, like he's done in the past losing the series in 2020 and last year, and also the 3rd game in 2021.

Cleary and Tedesco couldve had 20 knock ons and Alexander would still defend them

Yes ironically last night needed someone like Kent to ask the tough questions.

In saying that Brandy wouldn't have come on I reckon if Kent was there he and Kent have clashed in the past.

 

[T.S Quint]

I’ve found with Alexander on Fox when he’s with Cronk or any recent player, it’s clear he has no idea about the modern game intricacies. I’m beginning to suspect this is actually the same with Fittler (passed him by while he was out of playing/coaching and has never bothered to catch up) and even Johns even though he has been involved with coaching, it’s more specific skill based than overall training knowledge.
So they’re picking who they think are good without actually knowing what makes a good player these days. Then because they don’t have that knowledge, may as well throw their tactics in the bin because they’re not applicable to the players they are picking.
And then overthinking everything by shifting 3 players (JAC, Crichton & Too) to the opposite sides they play at club level to fit Trnwbxhcevic in, who doesn’t play centre at club level and is at his best when roaming anyway, or starting inexperienced and less physical Hudson Dumb over Martin/Murray or Pangai over Paulo

Shifting those three players to the left side is one of the dumbest decisions I think I've seen in Origin ever.

 

[TheRam]

So you still think Fittler would be a good club coach?

All jokes aside. The benefits that Fitler would bring as an NRL coach would be enormous from a high profile point of view and in a good system there he has been given a decent team to start with he would be more then fine.

His main issue being the NSW coach is that he has Alexander in his ear and influencing him way to much. Both being Ex-Panthers boys and Freddy also being a Rooster, makes it very hard to not pick certain combinations especially when it is so easy to justify them.

The problem though is that they're not what is best for the NSW team.

At Parra though he wouldn't have that kind of head noise. He would be given a team that is already decent and he would simply need to just coach and try to make them better as a team. He in my view would have a very good chance to succeed as long as we give him the resources that the best coaches have and get and nothing else to worry about. He would be a sponsor and television magnet and would basically pay for his salary with the contacts and sponsors he would bring.

When I say that we need a change of coach, all we ever get from the apologists is that be carful of what you wish for and just changing a coach doesn't guarantee success. Well yeah der! Who ever said lets just change the coach with a bloke that brings no obvious upside to the team and club? People like me and Hindy are always looking for an improvement or at least a perceived improvement from what we already have. Options that offer us an advantage that we currently don't have or to address staleness that may have crept into the squad or overcome a limit that we may have reached.

Is Freddy the answer? I guess no one really knows until and if ever he were to be appointed to a fulltime NRL squad and see how he goes. But I reckon that the odds would be more then fair that he would succeed if given the right resources and opportunities at a well run club.

Do I still think at this stage he is the best option to replace Potato Head? No I don't. I feel there are better options for us now, but I do still think he would be better for us at least short to medium term then Potato Head. Potato Head had/has reached his used by date at least 4 years ago, GF appearance or not. Our defense reveals that. Period!

No excuses.

 

[TheRam]

Was very harsh dropping those three. They thought they were somewhat vindicated after the flogging they put on QLD in game 2, but game 3 showed that was an anomoly.

I hate the whole 'QLD mentality' thing, but I can't argue that it doesn't seem to exist. More often than not they can pick whoever the f**k they want and they will lift and play fantastic when in a Moroons jersey. They believe it, it's instilled into them - "Wear this and you will play great!"

We;ve got blokes who would rather play for Tonga, Samoa or QLD in our team.

And Ill be cheering again for them to get beaten.

It starts with the fans.

Remember they were fans once too.

QLD fans never feel this way, no matter who their selectors pick. But then we NSW fans wonder why our players never have that same never say die attitude?

Go figure ha?

 

[Twizzle]

All jokes aside. The benefits that Fitler would bring as an NRL coach would be enormous from a high profile point of view and in a good system there he has been given a decent team to start with he would be more then fine.

His main issue being the NSW coach is that he has Alexander in his ear and influencing him way to much. Both being Ex-Panthers boys and Freddy also being a Rooster, makes it very hard to not pick certain combinations especially when it is so easy to justify them.

being high profile means f**k all if you're not a good coach and in my opinion, he is not a good coach

I think the issue of having Brandy in his ear influencing his decisions just shows a lack of backbone and he should grow a pair

 

[King-Gutho94]

All jokes aside. The benefits that Fitler would bring as an NRL coach would be enormous from a high profile point of view and in a good system there he has been given a decent team to start with he would be more then fine.

His main issue being the NSW coach is that he has Alexander in his ear and influencing him way to much. Both being Ex-Panthers boys and Freddy also being a Rooster, makes it very hard to not pick certain combinations especially when it is so easy to justify them.

The problem though is that they're not what is best for the NSW team.

At Parra though he wouldn't have that kind of head noise. He would be given a team that is already decent and he would simply need to just coach and try to make them better as a team. He in my view would have a very good chance to succeed as long as we give him the resources that the best coaches have and get and nothing else to worry about. He would be a sponsor and television magnet and would basically pay for his salary with the contacts and sponsors he would bring.

When I say that we need a change of coach, all we ever get from the apologists is that be carful of what you wish for and just changing a coach doesn't guarantee success. Well yeah der! Who ever said lets just change the coach with a bloke that brings no obvious upside to the team and club? People like me and Hindy are always looking for an improvement or at least a perceived improvement from what we already have. Options that offer us an advantage that we currently don't have or to address staleness that may have crept into the squad or overcome a limit that we may have reached.

Is Freddy the answer? I guess no one really knows until and if ever he were to be appointed to a fulltime NRL squad and see how he goes. But I reckon that the odds would be more then fair that he would succeed if given the right resources and opportunities at a well run club.

Do I still think at this stage he is the best option to replace Potato Head? No I don't. I feel there are better options for us now, but I do still think he would be better for us at least short to medium term then Potato Head. Potato Head had/has reached his used by date at least 4 years ago, GF appearance or not. Our defense reveals that. Period!

No excuses.

Freddy was coach of the only roosters side since 1966 and basically Politis took over to win a spoon.

He may have a profile but I think he is too funky for his own good.

Playing Braith Anasta at FB on Anzac day one year was prime example. That's up there with BA naming Peni Terepo at dummy half but playing Gutho there to cover 2 positions.

 

[TheRam]

being high profile means f**k all if you're not a good coach and in my opinion, he is not a good coach

I think the issue of having Brandy in his ear influencing his decisions just shows a lack of backbone and he should grow a pair

If you say so mate.

But we will never know so no point in continuing this really. Better things to do anyway, like right now I'm going to go wash my balls and then admire my handy work. Then go eat my freshly baked mixed berry crumble and two scoops of vanilla ice cream. But most of all I can't wait to wash my balls.

 

[TheRam]

Freddy was coach of the only roosters side since 1966 and basically Politis took over to win a spoon.

He may have a profile but I think he is too funky for his own good.

Playing Braith Anasta at FB on Anzac day one year was prime example. That's up there with BA naming Peni Terepo at dummy half but playing Gutho there to cover 2 positions.

You would think that he has learnt a hell of a lot since then, but you maybe right. He maybe to out there for his own good. Anyway we probably will never have to worry about him at our club or at NRL level anyway. So all pointless in the end.

Now off to wash my balls. See ya.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

That's up there with BA naming Peni Terepo at dummy half but playing Gutho there to cover 2 positions.

There's no rule that the bloke defending at fullback can't attack at dummy half. Terepo was just a middle defender. Some merkin had to wear the 9 jersey. It was just playing with an extra forward (in attack) and one fewer playmaker (in attack). In defence it was just swapping an undersized middle defender (most hookers) for a bigger one.

 

[T.S Quint]

All jokes aside. The benefits that Fitler would bring as an NRL coach would be enormous from a high profile point of view and in a good system there he has been given a decent team to start with he would be more then fine.

His main issue being the NSW coach is that he has Alexander in his ear and influencing him way to much. Both being Ex-Panthers boys and Freddy also being a Rooster, makes it very hard to not pick certain combinations especially when it is so easy to justify them.

The problem though is that they're not what is best for the NSW team.

At Parra though he wouldn't have that kind of head noise. He would be given a team that is already decent and he would simply need to just coach and try to make them better as a team. He in my view would have a very good chance to succeed as long as we give him the resources that the best coaches have and get and nothing else to worry about. He would be a sponsor and television magnet and would basically pay for his salary with the contacts and sponsors he would bring.

When I say that we need a change of coach, all we ever get from the apologists is that be carful of what you wish for and just changing a coach doesn't guarantee success. Well yeah der! Who ever said lets just change the coach with a bloke that brings no obvious upside to the team and club? People like me and Hindy are always looking for an improvement or at least a perceived improvement from what we already have. Options that offer us an advantage that we currently don't have or to address staleness that may have crept into the squad or overcome a limit that we may have reached.

Is Freddy the answer? I guess no one really knows until and if ever he were to be appointed to a fulltime NRL squad and see how he goes. But I reckon that the odds would be more then fair that he would succeed if given the right resources and opportunities at a well run club.

Do I still think at this stage he is the best option to replace Potato Head? No I don't. I feel there are better options for us now, but I do still think he would be better for us at least short to medium term then Potato Head. Potato Head had/has reached his used by date at least 4 years ago, GF appearance or not. Our defense reveals that. Period!

No excuses.

I couldn't give two shits if Fittler brings a media presence and high profile. Those things don't make him a good coach. He has had a chance at being a FG coach before and did not succeed, nor has he as NSW coach (even if he does end up winning this series, he should have won more than one by now).

If the club finds that it's best to get a new coach, then I'm all for it. I am not opposed to a change in this area at all, but it must be for the right person.

 

[hindy111]

So you still think Fittler would be a good club coach?

Yes

 

[T.S Quint]

Yes

Ok then.
What have you seen from his first grade and origin coaching career that has impressed you enough to opt for him over Brad Arthur?

 

[IFR33K]

Freddy was coach of the only roosters side since 1966 and basically Politis took over to win a spoon.

He may have a profile but I think he is too funky for his own good.

Playing Braith Anasta at FB on Anzac day one year was prime example. That's up there with BA naming Peni Terepo at dummy half but playing Gutho there to cover 2 positions.

wasn’t that Chris Anderson? I could be mistaken thou

 

[T.S Quint]

wasn’t that Chris Anderson? I could be mistaken thou

Chris Anderson was the innovator who came up with the ‘one marker’ idea.
I don’t think it lasted more than a week.

 

[eels_fan]

Well Gus has said Freddy will and should pick and stick with little to no changes

he reckons you can’t pick rookie origin players for games at Suncorp as it’s too much for them…

Freddy would jump off a bridge if Gus told him to, so expect only enforced changes

 

[hindy111]

Ok then.
What have you seen from his first grade and origin coaching career that has impressed you enough to opt for him over Brad Arthur?

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