2024 Match Review & Judiciary charges

[Penrose Warrior]

Kennedy's charge was a given tbh. Bowled the ref over with his hands.

If he doesn't use his hands, he goes chin first into the back of Gee. It's a human reaction to put hands up to avoid body on body contact.

I can't see how anyone defends this. Why the f**k would it be in Kennedy's favour to make contact with Gee? It was 6-all, he was trying to back up to create a try scoring opportunity.

This game truly, officially has an officiating crisis. And Abdo/V'Landys seem to not only not care, but enjoy the media coverage

 

[Penrose Warrior]

And Kennedy had plenty of time to avoid Gee.

But he chose to push him and get suspended over backing up for a try in an even contest. Got it.

 

[Timmah]

If he doesn't use his hands, he goes chin first into the back of Gee. It's a human reaction to put hands up to avoid body on body contact.

I can't see how anyone defends this. Why the f**k would it be in Kennedy's favour to make contact with Gee? It was 6-all, he was trying to back up to create a try scoring opportunity.

This game truly, officially has an officiating crisis. And Abdo/V'Landys seem to not only not care, but enjoy the media coverage

But he chose to push him and get suspended over backing up for a try in an even contest. Got it.

Jfc this is hysterical

It's not one or the other - he made avoidable contact with the referee. The situation he was in happens multiple times in every game and players dont normally collide with the referee.

Yeah it's bad luck and Gee did move into his path somewhat, but the precedent is there. I'd have gone Grade 1 but he definitely made avoidable contact.

 

[Bazal]

Gee got in the way, which more and more referees seem to be doing. It's ridiculous that the NRL views that as a charge tbh, and super ridiculous that it's not worth fighting because everyone knows the likely result.

 

[Apey]

If he doesn't use his hands, he goes chin first into the back of Gee. It's a human reaction to put hands up to avoid body on body contact.

I can't see how anyone defends this. Why the f**k would it be in Kennedy's favour to make contact with Gee? It was 6-all, he was trying to back up to create a try scoring opportunity.

This game truly, officially has an officiating crisis. And Abdo/V'Landys seem to not only not care, but enjoy the media coverage

I mean it sucks for Kennedy that Gee got in the way but yes he could have avoided him.

Not sure who said it was in his favour to do so. He was focused on supporting a linebreak, had tunnel vision and bowled a referee over.

He was obviously going to get charged based on precedent. The grading was probably just because of the strength of the collision.

 

[blocka]

I mean it sucks for Kennedy that Gee got in the way but yes he could have avoided him.

Not sure who said it was in his favour to do so. He was focused on supporting a linebreak, had tunnel vision and bowled a referee over.

He was obviously going to get charged based on precedent. The grading was probably just because of the strength of the collision.

How could he avoid him when you watch it at full speed he was trying to swerve and it ended up being the same way Gee stepped.

 

[Cheese sandwich]

Jfc this is hysterical

It's not one or the other - he made avoidable contact with the referee. The situation he was in happens multiple times in every game and players dont normally collide with the referee.

Yeah it's bad luck and Gee did move into his path somewhat, but the precedent is there. I'd have gone Grade 1 but he definitely made avoidable contact.

This is "somewhat" of a contradictory post

 

[no name]

The wording ‘avoidable contact’ is interesting. Many people have differing opinions on whether something is avoidable or not. A bit like judging someone’s intent. IMO Kennedy does everything he can to avoid Gee, Gee is moving one way so Kennedy goes to stay as straight as he can to be on the other side of Gee. Gee then stops right in front of Kennedy. As has been said why would he want to make contact? The fact that he was backing up a break situation tells anyone that he will do all he can to avoid the contact and get the ball from his teammate.
Neither of them know which way the other is going which is the cause of the accident. I thought a fine would have been harsh but would appease the ‘look’ of the game. Grade 2 and 1 week is over the top for mine. They obviously got feedback somewhere that they would be up against it to get a downgrade.

 

[Rod]

Like most I originally thought this charge was nonsense, but after listening to Annesley's explanation (and yes I know he can talk bollocks a lot of the time), I can see at least see where the NRL is coming from with this one. They're trying to set a precedent that contact with the referee is unacceptable in the hope that it filters down to lower grades. It's not even really about the NRL when it comes to this issue.

I would have been ok with a grade 1, but I can at least see the argument that the onus is on the player to avoid contact with a 'defenceless' ref who doesn't have 360 vision of the field.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Jfc this is hysterical

It's not one or the other - he made avoidable contact with the referee. The situation he was in happens multiple times in every game and players dont normally collide with the referee.

Yeah it's bad luck and Gee did move into his path somewhat, but the precedent is there. I'd have gone Grade 1 but he definitely made avoidable contact.

Yeah ok, I disagree. Plenty of other people do too. You probably watch more league than me but I haven't seen a player have to actively avoid a ref much at all, let alone multiple times in a game. Think you might have made that up.

Referees are not ceramic vases. They can cop a bit of physical contact when they get themselves in the wrong position. I get why the rule is there. But Gee gets himself in a bad position, he's in Kennedy's way, the player reacts as any human trying to move a certain way does, and Gee is fine. There's no excessive force.

It's another laughably pathetic decision from a competition that has had too many lately.

 

[Iamback]

If he doesn't use his hands, he goes chin first into the back of Gee. It's a human reaction to put hands up to avoid body on body contact.

I can't see how anyone defends this. Why the f**k would it be in Kennedy's favour to make contact with Gee? It was 6-all, he was trying to back up to create a try scoring opportunity.

This game truly, officially has an officiating crisis. And Abdo/V'Landys seem to not only not care, but enjoy the media coverage

The thing is with all these cases.

It shouldn't be slowed down, play it in full speed and it gives an idea of the reaction time.

It is another example of the NRL being out of touch with the game and ignoring accidents happening

 

[Iamback]

Yeah ok, I disagree. Plenty of other people do too. You probably watch more league than me but I haven't seen a player have to actively avoid a ref much at all, let alone multiple times in a game. Think you might have made that up.

Referees are not ceramic vases. They can cop a bit of physical contact when they get themselves in the wrong position. I get why the rule is there. But Gee gets himself in a bad position, he's in Kennedy's way, the player reacts as any human trying to move a certain way does, and Gee is fine. There's no excessive force.

It's another laughably pathetic decision from a competition that has had too many lately.

If a player gives the ref or touchie a mouthful then they go on report, Same should apply here the 3 on field officals and the bunker clearly so no issue with the accidental contact

 

[Penrose Warrior]

At the very least, it should have been Grade 1. What was the rationale behind the fact it was grade 2?

The fact a bunch of crusher tackles get grade 1 while a softish push on a ref is grade 2 is hilarious. A guy is missing a game because a ref got in his way. If Gee doesn't get out of position, Kennedy is playing this week

 

[Iamback]

At the very least, it should have been Grade 1. What was the rationale behind the fact it was grade 2?

The fact a bunch of crusher tackles get grade 1 while a softish push on a ref is grade 2 is hilarious. A guy is missing a game because a ref got in his way. If Gee doesn't get out of position, Kennedy is playing this week

Especially when Kennedy also needs to support the ball runner and stay out of contact with a defender.

It isn't like Kennedy himself had plenty of room to go himself.

He has to stay behind Iro
Watch for Tigers guys chasing so no to give an obstruction penalty
No watch for a Referee backing in his path

 

[Miller was a legend]

Like most I originally thought this charge was nonsense, but after listening to Annesley's explanation (and yes I know he can talk bollocks a lot of the time), I can see at least see where the NRL is coming from with this one. They're trying to set a precedent that contact with the referee is unacceptable in the hope that it filters down to lower grades. It's not even really about the NRL when it comes to this issue.

I would have been ok with a grade 1, but I can at least see the argument that the onus is on the player to avoid contact with a 'defenceless' ref who doesn't have 360 vision of the field.

To be fair most of them seem to have tunnel vision or perhaps at times, predetermined mind set, when they get on the field.

 

[Apey]

Especially when Kennedy also needs to support the ball runner and stay out of contact with a defender.

It isn't like Kennedy himself had plenty of room to go himself.

He has to stay behind Iro
Watch for Tigers guys chasing so no to give an obstruction penalty
No watch for a Referee backing in his path

Honestly if he went to the right of Gee he'd have been in a better position to score the try. Further away from the last defender who was on the ball-carrier. Maybe Api would have got him, but if you watch the clip, Kennedy was running way faster than Api was.

Anyway I'm not sure why anyone thought this wouldn't be charged. We have several charges a week for accidents. Contact with referees is a charge.

The grading is probably just due the force of the contact. I'm a big supporter of players challenging the judiciary because the system is rigged against them doing so, but as said above it sounds like they received some advice it would be unsuccessful.

 

[Iamback]

Honestly if he went to the right of Gee he'd have been in a better position to score the try. Further away from the last defender who was on the ball-carrier. Maybe Api would have got him, but if you watch the clip, Kennedy was running way faster than Api was.

Anyway I'm not sure why anyone thought this wouldn't be charged. We have several charges a week for accidents. Contact with referees is a charge.

The grading is probably just due the force of the contact. I'm a big supporter of players challenging the judiciary because the system is rigged against them doing so, but as said above it sounds like they received some advice it would be unsuccessful.

Api and a few others are there. So I can see why he took the line.

The game is flying atm the one blight is this constant suspending players for accidents.

Unless the ref puts it on report than no player should be charged for incidents with officals. They know what is abuse or not

 

[Timmah]

Yeah ok, I disagree. Plenty of other people do too. You probably watch more league than me but I haven't seen a player have to actively avoid a ref much at all, let alone multiple times in a game. Think you might have made that up.

Referees are not ceramic vases. They can cop a bit of physical contact when they get themselves in the wrong position. I get why the rule is there. But Gee gets himself in a bad position, he's in Kennedy's way, the player reacts as any human trying to move a certain way does, and Gee is fine. There's no excessive force.

It's another laughably pathetic decision from a competition that has had too many lately.

Line breaks happen routinely in every single game, and referee contact happens 0.001% of the time. That tells me that players are naturally good at avoiding that contact, which is the point I'm making.

You made up "excessive force" in this post, for what it's worth. He was charged with contrary conduct and I even concede it probably could've been a Grade 1. But it wasn't.

Especially when Kennedy also needs to support the ball runner and stay out of contact with a defender.

It isn't like Kennedy himself had plenty of room to go himself.

He has to stay behind Iro
Watch for Tigers guys chasing so no to give an obstruction penalty
No watch for a Referee backing in his path

I mean, if you look at it the other way, he's played the percentages - relying on the referee to keep moving out of his path to maintain his chase. He flew too close to the wind because the ref changed angle or stopped - and lost the gamble.

 

[Saxon]

Hughes arguably moved into the ref in a cynical move to avoid a try. Completely different

Please elucidate? A cynical attempt to avoid a try?

Would you as a player for one moment take the risk that if you didn't make the tackle and the opposition scored that the ref and bunker would make the correct decision and call play back?
Given their abysmal record with anything requiring even a modicum of common sense, if it came down to making a decision to trust the ref to get it right I wouldn't be letting the mere thought begin to speculate about the merest possibility of crossing my mind.

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[Nutz]

Please elucidate? A cynical attempt to avoid a try?

Would you as a player for one moment take the risk that if you didn't make the tackle and the opposition scored that the ref and bunker would make the correct decision and call play back?
Given their abysmal record with anything requiring even a modicum of common sense, if it came down to making a decision to trust the ref to get it right I wouldn't be letting the mere thought begin to speculate about the merest possibility of crossing my mind.

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Not guilty, or guilty, or whatever you said.