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2024 TV and Streaming Ratings Discussion

Karl15

Juniors
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8
Some of the stats released in the last few weeks really give a good indication of total viewing numbers, and in turn, the relative values of the codes to Foxtel

The AFL has 198 regular season games which last approximately 3 hours at an average audience of 397,000 which equals 594 hours and a total audience of 2.358million

The NRL has 204 regular season games which last approximately 2 hours at an average audience of 483,000 which equals 408 hours and a total audience of 1.971 million

Leaving Origin (which is exclusive to Nine) and Finals (which are all shown live free to air as well) you would expect the NRL to get a television deal approx 83.5% of the Foxtel AFL deal based on total audience time watched.

The AFL did a deal for $643 million per year. They never announced the breakup between Seven and Fox but media talk at the time had it a 65% Fox/35% Seven split, meaning Fox paid approx $418 million. If we received 83.5% of the AFL deal as per the above calcs we should get approx $350 per year from Fox, which I agree sounds a bit low comparatively.

It does show the value of expansion, if we can get 20 teams playing 24 games each, that would mean 240 games x 2 hours x 483,000 average audience and a total audience of 2.318million, almost equal to the AFL,

They're the figure I'd be quoting to Foxtel if I were V'Landys demanding we get at least $400 million from Foxtel in the next deal. They should be paying what Fox and Nine are paying now just for subscription TV for a 20 team comp.
Go the Western Bears! Go the Keas! Go the Hunters!

The bigger question is why our free-to-air deal is so far behind the AFL's, especially when we have 3 x Origin games that rate 4 times the highest club game. That I don't have an answer for
 

Vlad59

Bench
Messages
3,521
Some of the stats released in the last few weeks really give a good indication of total viewing numbers, and in turn, the relative values of the codes to Foxtel

The AFL has 198 regular season games which last approximately 3 hours at an average audience of 397,000 which equals 594 hours and a total audience of 2.358million

The NRL has 204 regular season games which last approximately 2 hours at an average audience of 483,000 which equals 408 hours and a total audience of 1.971 million

Leaving Origin (which is exclusive to Nine) and Finals (which are all shown live free to air as well) you would expect the NRL to get a television deal approx 83.5% of the Foxtel AFL deal based on total audience time watched.

The AFL did a deal for $643 million per year. They never announced the breakup between Seven and Fox but media talk at the time had it a 65% Fox/35% Seven split, meaning Fox paid approx $418 million. If we received 83.5% of the AFL deal as per the above calcs we should get approx $350 per year from Fox, which I agree sounds a bit low comparatively.

It does show the value of expansion, if we can get 20 teams playing 24 games each, that would mean 240 games x 2 hours x 483,000 average audience and a total audience of 2.318million, almost equal to the AFL,

They're the figure I'd be quoting to Foxtel if I were V'Landys demanding we get at least $400 million from Foxtel in the next deal. They should be paying what Fox and Nine are paying now just for subscription TV for a 20 team comp.
Go the Western Bears! Go the Keas! Go the Hunters!

The bigger question is why our free-to-air deal is so far behind the AFL's, especially when we have 3 x Origin games that rate 4 times the highest club game. That I don't have an answer for
That’s great analysis mate. Only point I’d make is that the afl had 207 games this year so their data will change slightly. But overall you are spot on.

 

Frank Burge

Juniors
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253
those figure are wrong and has been debunked before, AFL on Fox approx 155 min run time , NRL on Fox 115 min run time . So a multiplier of 1.35 not 1.5. 4 x nrl games = 3 x afl games.
 

Iamback

Coach
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19,445
those figure are wrong and has been debunked before, AFL on Fox approx 155 min run time , NRL on Fox 115 min run time . So a multiplier of 1.35 not 1.5. 4 x nrl games = 3 x afl games.

Yes but that doesn't allow for extra ad space. 1.5 is much easier to make
 

Iamback

Coach
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19,445
Some of the stats released in the last few weeks really give a good indication of total viewing numbers, and in turn, the relative values of the codes to Foxtel

The AFL has 198 regular season games which last approximately 3 hours at an average audience of 397,000 which equals 594 hours and a total audience of 2.358million

The NRL has 204 regular season games which last approximately 2 hours at an average audience of 483,000 which equals 408 hours and a total audience of 1.971 million

Leaving Origin (which is exclusive to Nine) and Finals (which are all shown live free to air as well) you would expect the NRL to get a television deal approx 83.5% of the Foxtel AFL deal based on total audience time watched.

The AFL did a deal for $643 million per year. They never announced the breakup between Seven and Fox but media talk at the time had it a 65% Fox/35% Seven split, meaning Fox paid approx $418 million. If we received 83.5% of the AFL deal as per the above calcs we should get approx $350 per year from Fox, which I agree sounds a bit low comparatively.

It does show the value of expansion, if we can get 20 teams playing 24 games each, that would mean 240 games x 2 hours x 483,000 average audience and a total audience of 2.318million, almost equal to the AFL,

They're the figure I'd be quoting to Foxtel if I were V'Landys demanding we get at least $400 million from Foxtel in the next deal. They should be paying what Fox and Nine are paying now just for subscription TV for a 20 team comp.
Go the Western Bears! Go the Keas! Go the Hunters!

The bigger question is why our free-to-air deal is so far behind the AFL's, especially when we have 3 x Origin games that rate 4 times the highest club game. That I don't have an answer for

The $643m counts Telstra too though.

TV is roughly $550m for AFL. FTA was $140m according to the rumours A 14% increase has that at just under $160m a year.

Leaving Fox at $290m which seems far more realistic given the size of Fox' customer base

Ad revenue is the answer to the FTA question
 

Wb1234

Immortal
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30,449
The $643m counts Telstra too though.

TV is roughly $550m for AFL. FTA was $140m according to the rumours A 14% increase has that at just under $160m a year.

Leaving Fox at $290m which seems far more realistic given the size of Fox' customer base

Ad revenue is the answer to the FTA question
Afl tv 550 million minus seven 140 million means Fox 410 million
 

Iamback

Coach
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Afl tv 550 million minus seven 140 million means Fox 410 million

No $140m was the old deal. 14% increase this deal. Or $19m in real terms.

So averages out at $159m. We know this is fact because it had to be reported to share holders
 

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