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2024 TV and Streaming Ratings Discussion

Wb1234

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Sigh

again I’ll repeat myself for those slower people cumulative over the season the nrl will win like last year

reach just makes the gap closer
 

NRLMad

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AFL does well when Brisbane and Sydney are winning - imagine, what would occur if they weren’t. They’ve rigged the teams to compete. They’re still not making real headway in 2 vitally important markets.

SOO plus internationals are the previous silencers. We have 2.5x more GFs in total, over 4 seperate weeks than the AFL.

The “not included” ratings would be huge also, get a proper live / free tv in NZ and you have another 5m potential viewers. Hence why nz is a huge market for us, we already own it.

Pacific ratings wouldn’t count for much - you would think to an Australian tv advertiser but take a look at what has happened to Facebook and socials.

The nrl socials were below afls maybe 5 years ago. We were basically a sleeping giant.

Facebook AFL 1.4m, NRL 2.8m
Twitter/X AFL 850k, NRL 650k

After years and years of letting the AFL claim it was the most watched tv sport, reality is that there will come a time when the afl simply can’t compete. We have had majorly inept people running the show, and finally we have a team of people somewhat on par with the afl and what’s occurring?

- growth
- income diversification
- expansion
- change
 
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cinders7

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NRL has always been ahead of AFL in socials, this is going back over a decade ago. I used to compare them in another life.

I don't know why and it always seemed unusual as their fans are keen to support the sport via memberships. I assumed it's because the AFL demographics/places where AFL is more popular tend to skew older compared to NRL.
 

taste2taste

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Anyone know how the FTA Super Rugby rates on GEM ?

I noticed in the Rugby Austrlia annual report they were bragging numbers were up 15%...but they accidentally forget to mention the actual figure...a bit like how they forget to announce attendances.
 

Wb1234

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Anyone know how the FTA Super Rugby rates on GEM ?

I noticed in the Rugby Austrlia annual report they were bragging numbers were up 15%...but they accidentally forget to mention the actual figure...a bit like how they forget to announce attendances.
It’s on that thread

39k was one figure
 

docbrown

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social media followers

Nrl 20.14
Afl 15.2
So NRL is winning the Instagram and Tik Tok youth demos and the older Facebook demos. AFL is winning the alt-rights on Twitter - joking! Or am I?

Broncos are clearly the biggest club - of any sport - in Australia or NZ. And it's not even that close. Sorry Collingwood. No surprises there though.

Storm are the second most followed of all clubs in either code and the most popular of expansion club in the codes. Usually ranking 2nd or 3rd on platforms and 2nd overall combined. For comparison, you could argue that the Swans are half as popular as the Storm on these metrics. Even combining GWS and the Swans together still comes up short of the Storm. For the Storm to be outranking every Melbourne AFL team, they're doing something right with how they appeal to the public nationwide.

Again by comparison, the Swans are 5th in Sydney, ranked behind 4 NRL clubs. GWS are 2nd last.

Rabbitohs and Collingwood seem neck and no neck at third place. Which makes sense as they were the two big traditional clubs from the NSWRL and VFL periods.

But they're also closely followed by the Warriors. I think if you'd have looked at this a decade ago they would have been ranked lower. They are more popular than the most popular NZ super rugby sides, Blues and Crusaders. So definitely #1 in Auckland - again we already knew that.

The Panthers, Eels and Bulldogs are also powerhouses. The Panthers are doing big numbers, beating out the likes of Hawthorn, Carlton, Essendon and Richmond. Particularly again with the youth demos. Eels and Bulldogs aren't that far off. I think they'll only get bigger too as Western Sydney booms, particular if they starting winning more like the Panthers.

As for the rest of Queensland the Cowboys are on 833k and Titans are on 741k. The Lions are on 587k, Suns on 336k. So AFL are ranked #4 and #6 (behind the Reds) there. Even combining the Suns & Lions (923k), the Cowboys alone aren't far off that combined AFL figure. The Dolphins are already on par with the Suns after 2 years. In a few years they'll overtake the Lions figure and 10 years the Dolphins will leap frog all of those other clubs and be second behind the Broncos in Queensland.
 

Wb1234

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So NRL is winning the Instagram and Tik Tok youth demos and the older Facebook demos. AFL is winning the alt-rights on Twitter - joking! Or am I?

Broncos are clearly the biggest club - of any sport - in Australia or NZ. And it's not even that close. Sorry Collingwood. No surprises there though.

Storm are the second most followed of all clubs in either code and the most popular of expansion club in the codes. Usually ranking 2nd or 3rd on platforms and 2nd overall combined. For comparison, you could argue that the Swans are half as popular as the Storm on these metrics. Even combining GWS and the Swans together still comes up short of the Storm. For the Storm to be outranking every Melbourne AFL team, they're doing something right with how they appeal to the public nationwide.

Again by comparison, the Swans are 5th in Sydney, ranked behind 4 NRL clubs. GWS are 2nd last.

Rabbitohs and Collingwood seem neck and no neck at third place. Which makes sense as they were the two big traditional clubs from the NSWRL and VFL periods.

But they're also closely followed by the Warriors. I think if you'd have looked at this a decade ago they would have been ranked lower. They are more popular than the most popular NZ super rugby sides, Blues and Crusaders. So definitely #1 in Auckland - again we already knew that.

The Panthers, Eels and Bulldogs are also powerhouses. The Panthers are doing big numbers, beating out the likes of Hawthorn, Carlton, Essendon and Richmond. Particularly again with the youth demos. Eels and Bulldogs aren't that far off. I think they'll only get bigger too as Western Sydney booms, particular if they starting winning more like the Panthers.

As for the rest of Queensland the Cowboys are on 833k and Titans are on 741k. The Lions are on 587k, Suns on 336k. So AFL are ranked #4 and #6 (behind the Reds) there. Even combining the Suns & Lions (923k), the Cowboys alone aren't far off that combined AFL figure. The Dolphins are already on par with the Suns after 2 years. In a few years they'll overtake the Lions figure and 10 years the Dolphins will leap frog all of those other clubs and be second behind the Broncos in Queensland.
Shame social media counts followers instead of reach
 

Vlad59

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So NRL is winning the Instagram and Tik Tok youth demos and the older Facebook demos. AFL is winning the alt-rights on Twitter - joking! Or am I?

Broncos are clearly the biggest club - of any sport - in Australia or NZ. And it's not even that close. Sorry Collingwood. No surprises there though.

Storm are the second most followed of all clubs in either code and the most popular of expansion club in the codes. Usually ranking 2nd or 3rd on platforms and 2nd overall combined. For comparison, you could argue that the Swans are half as popular as the Storm on these metrics. Even combining GWS and the Swans together still comes up short of the Storm. For the Storm to be outranking every Melbourne AFL team, they're doing something right with how they appeal to the public nationwide.

Again by comparison, the Swans are 5th in Sydney, ranked behind 4 NRL clubs. GWS are 2nd last.

Rabbitohs and Collingwood seem neck and no neck at third place. Which makes sense as they were the two big traditional clubs from the NSWRL and VFL periods.

But they're also closely followed by the Warriors. I think if you'd have looked at this a decade ago they would have been ranked lower. They are more popular than the most popular NZ super rugby sides, Blues and Crusaders. So definitely #1 in Auckland - again we already knew that.

The Panthers, Eels and Bulldogs are also powerhouses. The Panthers are doing big numbers, beating out the likes of Hawthorn, Carlton, Essendon and Richmond. Particularly again with the youth demos. Eels and Bulldogs aren't that far off. I think they'll only get bigger too as Western Sydney booms, particular if they starting winning more like the Panthers.

As for the rest of Queensland the Cowboys are on 833k and Titans are on 741k. The Lions are on 587k, Suns on 336k. So AFL are ranked #4 and #6 (behind the Reds) there. Even combining the Suns & Lions (923k), the Cowboys alone aren't far off that combined AFL figure. The Dolphins are already on par with the Suns after 2 years. In a few years they'll overtake the Lions figure and 10 years the Dolphins will leap frog all of those other clubs and be second behind the Broncos in Queensland.
Despite all of this Gil has declared qld an afl state. As such this is all meaningless.
 

docbrown

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Sony's put in a competitive offer for Paramount, $4 billion above current value. For the record, Sony have previously said that they weren't interested in streaming. Sony Productions usually go to other platforms like Netflix. Maybe they want Paramount+ and will revamp it. Or they may dump it entirely and on-sell all TV and film. That said a Sony-Paramount takeover would result in a half decent film and TV catalogue, competitive with bigger streamers.
 

docbrown

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Despite the average disadvantage, the NRL still won the 16-39 demo by 11,000. 16-39s were 25% of the NRL's audience, compared to 20% of the AFL's.

They were also only just pipped by 3k on the 25-54s. Again, these were 43% of the audience for NRL, compared to 38% for AFL.

Basically, a bigger share of the AFL's total audience is over 55. And demographics are destiny...
 

The_Wookie

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I missed this last week, sorry if already posted

Foxtel faces its streaming apocalypse

Once the country’s most profitable media group, Foxtel is losing subscribers and is facing a mega-sports rights bill. Will it make it through?

Sam Buckingham-Jones Media and marketing reporter

Apr 25, 2024 – 7.00pm

It’s hard to believe now, but Foxtel was once Australia’s most profitable media company. A decade ago, the cable television broadcaster reached nearly one in every three households in the country. Its annual earnings were close to $1 billion.

But over the past decade, Foxtel has been forced to massively reinvent itself for the Netflix era – walking a tightrope of building a new, low-margin streaming business like Kayo and Binge while keeping as many people as possible paying for its high-margin set-top boxes. It is a balance becoming more and more difficult.

The company’s earnings are set to shrink by a further $150 million over the next three years to $390 million in the 2026 financial year, analysts forecast. A company once feted for a $2 billion valuation and a public listing now faces an uncertain future.

Some time next year, likely before the end of March, it is expected that Warner Bros Discovery will launch its own streaming platform, Max, in Australia – stripping Foxtel and Binge of immensely valuable HBO content such as Succession, Game of Thrones and Euphoria. Likewise, wrestling entertainment empire WWE, also on Binge, signed a $US5 billion ($7.8 billion) global deal with Netflix that the US streamer says will soon include Australia. Binge’s managing director, Amanda Laing, has resigned.

The end of these deals will put some money back into Foxtel’s pockets. But the AFL’s record $4.5 billion broadcast deal with Foxtel and Seven West Media kicks in next year, adding about $100 million more to Foxtel’s annual bills. Meanwhile, its sports subscriber numbers on Kayo have flatlined.

Foxtel has 3.1 million streaming subscribers across Kayo, Binge and Foxtel Now. But those streaming customers each add very little revenue. They make up 66 per cent of Foxtel’s “customer base”, but just 23 per cent of its revenue. Foxtel’s 1.5 million set-top box customers contribute 63 per cent of its revenue.

When Foxtel and Seven signed a $1.5 billion deal with Cricket Australia last year, Delany said it was worth every cent. “We maintained those top five tier one sports,” he said at the time. “We’ve got significant momentum, and we intend to keep it up.”

The deal worked out to be $140 million a year for seven years, a jump of almost $20 million a year on the previous six-year deal.

The mammoth agreement it signed with the AFL months earlier, however, was worth a lot more.

From 2025, Foxtel will pay, on average, an extra $111 million a year more for the AFL rights than it has paid for the past five years – from an average of $307 million to $418 million. This is not money that is lying around.

Foxtel’s key commercial sports executive, Rebecca McCloy, told The Australian last month that it had signed 175 deals with 120 different sports partners and agents over the past 12 months.

Macquarie analysts estimate Kayo generated $454 million in revenue for the group last year, compared with $1.7 billion from traditional Foxtel customers. The price of the Kayo Basic product jumped 17 per cent to $35 in February, although those kinds of increases are hard to pull off repeatedly.

Delany says the deal with the AFL is different from next year. “The super Saturday is quite different. For eight to 10 weeks at the start of the season, the only place you’ll be able to watch live AFL in the country will be via Kayo or Foxtel. It’s almost double that for Melbourne. And so that was part of the trade.”

After the football seasons end, some people cancel their Kayo subscriptions. Kayo has fallen every December quarter since its launch. The summer cricket slate has a big impact on cancellation numbers – if England or India are playing Australia, churn is far lower. This past summer, it was Pakistan and the West Indies.

Over the next year or so, the NRL will tap broadcasters to begin to renegotiate its own deal, extended during the pandemic and worth about $220 million a year to Foxtel. In other words, for three years, the NRL – which some argue is more valuable to a broadcaster – will be paid hundreds of millions less than the AFL. It will expect a similar sized deal to its rival football code.

“Given they are lucrative at $85 a subscriber, this is unlikely to be recouped via Kayo and Binge,” Macquarie’s Darren Leung says. “This ultimately leads to a vicious cycle where lower revenue means more cost out – and likely in content (we colloquially call this cutting at the bone). That means fewer subscribers because the content isn’t attractive, which leads to more cost out.”

Kayo appears to have hit a ceiling with a subscriber base of 1.2 million to 1.4 million people. “You can see this with flat year-on-year subscribers. It moves quarter-on-quarter mainly due to seasonality associated with sports,” Leung adds.


 

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