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2025 Streaming and TV Ratings Discussion

Wb1234

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Using Reach to determine a programme's place in FTA tables hasn't made that much difference to AFL. Whereas the inclusion of regionals has pushed NRL well up the ranking.

Major downside for NRL, in terms of perception, is the absence of regular Fox data.

The nrl still get all the ratings data but sure afl journalists can use it to their advantage as was done above

Afl tv ratings are still pretty awful

If Fox do lose the nrl to stan then it will change the pay tv landscape and could be good for nrl down the track with Fox coming back down the track more keen than ever for nrl but having to cover losses on the afl deal for seven years
 

Maximus

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Weren't people going Berko last year about reach being unfair to RL?

And now suddenly it's great?

In these threads, whatever metric suits the argument someone wants to make, is the best. That same person will claim that metric is bullshit the next day if it doesn't suit them.
 

The_Wookie

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Have Fox given a reason why they no longer publish a daily table of STB figures?

When this data was available one poster said a viewer only had to switch on to be counted. Which would mean Fox ratings in the past were more akin to Reach than Average.

Fox said Oztam were undercounting them by about 40% and so they intrKayoduced their own measurement system and stopped co-operating with OZtam,

Fox ratings on oztam were done the same way as tv ratings, based on an average. Streaming data from OZtam came through average, reach and minutes - however this was all merged into VOZ and minus Foxtel which withdrew.
 

Perth Red

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Weird when big sports see big declines in ratings. NBA too has had a huge decline
Theres big cost of living issues in most western countries. It shouldn't be that surprising that as disposable income reduces so does spending on such things.
 

The_Wookie

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That depends on the definition of "most viewers" - is most viewers based on an average number over a set period or is it everyone that tunes in regardless of time.

Its also based on the premise that average is derived from total numbers/time - which benefits shorter ruuning programs.

ie. 300,000 viewers over 100 minutes, might be equal to 230,000 viewers over 130 minutes.

Not saying one is more valid than the other, but thats the opposing view.
 

Iamback

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That depends on the definition of "most viewers" - is most viewers based on an average number over a set period or is it everyone that tunes in regardless of time.

Its also based on the premise that average is derived from total numbers/time - which benefits shorter ruuning programs.

ie. 300,000 viewers over 100 minutes, might be equal to 230,000 viewers over 130 minutes.

Not saying one is more valid than the other, but thats the opposing view.

That has been what I have been trying to explain as to why AFL gets more cash.

The difference in ratings isn't big enough where AFL comes behind across a weekend of games.
 

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That depends on the definition of "most viewers" - is most viewers based on an average number over a set period or is it everyone that tunes in regardless of time.

Its also based on the premise that average is derived from total numbers/time - which benefits shorter ruuning programs.

ie. 300,000 viewers over 100 minutes, might be equal to 230,000 viewers over 130 minutes.

Not saying one is more valid than the other, but thats the opposing view.
No, he literally advocates average ratings as industry standard on which advertisers base their spend on in the same article he asserts the nrl are claiming peak averages - which is just not true.
 

Wb1234

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Reach
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Averages are biased towards shorter games

At least they aren’t arguing that only five city metros are what’s mostly relevant and regional viewers aren’t worth much.
 

Iamback

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No, he literally advocates average ratings as industry standard on which advertisers base their spend on in the same article he asserts the nrl are claiming peak averages - which is just not true.

He is wrong about the NRL using peak but Averages still is NRL in front per game but not overall

Lets use rough numbers.

If an NRL game averages 300k and AFL 250k that is a huge margin and NRL can rightly claim the win.

BUT

300,000 x 80 mins of the game is 24,000,000

AFL

250,000 x 120 mins of the game is 30,000,000

What is going to be better for advertisers/TV networks?

So that is where both can be true
 

Wb1234

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None of this is new or novel.
Nah never been used before until nrl started trumpeting being the most watched code and number one sport

It’s funny how some people just can’t take the L

Like if I could be bothered I would be questioning afl memberships and crowd numbers since those are used to measure afl “popularity”

75 to 80 percent of the most watched programs on pay tv are nrl

Nrl games average around 30 percent more viewers than afl

If afl was so enjoyable then people wouldn’t be switching off in such large numbers as the hours pass by
 

ThornlieBear

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Peter V’landys raised some eyebrows when he claimed NRL is the most watched sport in the land as he goes to the negotiating table on broadcast rights. Is he right? Here’s what the numbers say.


It was another statement from the NRL supremo Peter V’landys that would have had eyebrows raised in AFL and media circles.

“We have worked very hard to get the game to be the most watched sport in Australia,” V’Landys said as he spruiked the league closing in on what is expected to be a league record broadcast rights deal.

He went on to declare that “we are the No.1 in Australia”, “we have the premium product, that’s all that matters” and “we have got the game that is the most watched”.

Those declarations led to a deep dive on the numbers between the two winter codes.

WHICH SPORT IS WATCHED MORE?

Numbers cited alongside V’landys’ trumpeting showed the NRL attracted 153.7m viewers in 2024, compared to 140.3m for the AFL.

When canvassed about those figures, voices across the media landscape were surprised and said those numbers were likely ‘peak’ audiences instead of averages for games watched.

“In reality it is not the most watched sport,” one figure said.

Publicly available free-to-air TV numbers show the AFL consistently win when games to head-to-head.

Last year, the southern game pipped the NRL on Thursdays when the leagues played at the same time, as well as across the weekend and that trend has continued to start 2025.

On the most recent Thursday, an average of 671,000 viewers watched Channel 7’s AFL coverage, compared to 555,000 over on Channel 9 for the NRL.

On Friday, the trend carried over with an average of 633,000 watching Hawthorn beat Essendon, compared to 587,000 watching Sydney Roosters top the Penrith Panthers.

Foxtel’s ratings aren’t publicly available but NRL viewership in New South Wales and Queensland has been traditionally strong.
That would likely be largely evened out by the AFL, given Fox Footy has also boasted strong numbers and was encouraged with those tuning in for round 1’s first Super Saturday coverage.

The NRL also had more marquee slots last year, hosting 21 Thursday prime-time games, compared to the AFL’s 14.
There were 20 Friday night double-headers in the NRL last year, compared to two in the AFL, boosting overall viewership, potentially allowing the NRL to come out on top in overall viewers rather than averages.

The rugby league plays on more weekends than Aussie rules but had three fewer regular season games.

Advertisers in TV land pay for average viewership rather than peak audiences, despite networks spruiking the bigger number.

Data released by researchers Roy Morgan on Tuesday showed more Australians watched AFL than NRL.

According to that data, 9.1m Aussies over the age of 14 occasionally or regularly watched AFL in 2024, compared to the 7.3m who watched the northern game.
Of course, not all watching these days comes through the TV.

Whether or not he logs into the apps himself, V’landys’ game is ahead on video social media platforms Instagram and TikTok, leading the AFL in followers on both.

“The idea that they (NRL) are all of a sudden bigger and stronger than the AFL, it just doesn’t stand up to scrutiny,” media rights expert Colin Smith said.
The AFL was contacted for comment.
WHAT ABOUT THE BIG GAMES?

State of Origin is the NRL trump card.
The Queensland-New South Wales clashes are consistently the biggest mid-year event in Australian sport and the three matches put on by rugby league cannot be matched by Aussie rules.

All three State of Origin games sat in the top five most-watched sporting events on free-to-air TV last year.
The representative competition was not included in the 153.7m count of rugby viewers but will be a big factor in V’landys’ rights negotiations.
The NRLW competition has also been more of a ratings winner than AFLW.
The top of that list of most watched last year was the AFL grand final between the Lions and Swans, drawing 4.02m viewers to 7.
The NRL equivalent between the Panthers and Storm raked in 3.42m, fourth on the list behind the AFL decider and two State of Origin clashes

AND WHAT ABOUT GAME ATTENDANCE?

This isn’t all that close.
The NRL averaged 20,171 fans at 204 home-and-away games last year, while the AFL brought in 37,455 at 207 regular season matches.
The AFL boasted this week it broke the record for its highest attended round ever in round 1 and the lowest attended game of the nine played was 23,278 at the MCG as GWS defeated Melbourne.
The NRL played eight games on the same weekend, none of which beat the crowd for the Giants-Demons clash.
WHY IS THE NRL PUSHING IT IS AHEAD?

The answer to this one is simple, big numbers in ratings means big money on the new broadcasting agreement.
The AFL signed a huge seven-season $4.5 billion deal in late 2022 that has become the benchmark for V’landys and his crew to hunt down.
Industry figures don’t expect the NRL to match the AFL payday, bu


“Josh Barnes
AFL reporter
Josh Barnes is an AFL and sport reporter with News Sport and CODE Sports, who has previously worked as the Geelong”

lol


Some real interesting things in here.

1) Labeling Thursday night matches as "marque slots" is wild.
2) Admitting the NRL has more viewers across the entire season than the FLA.
3) Admitting FLA can not match SOO.
4) Admitting WFLA is less watched than the NRLW.

That has been what I have been trying to explain as to why AFL gets more cash.

The difference in ratings isn't big enough where AFL comes behind across a weekend of games.
FLA fan boy alert.

That doesnt make them right. It makes it what they want it to be. The NRL NEED it to be a relative stat. YOU need it to be a relative stat.
You're the one that is coming across as the one that is NEEDING that not to be correct. The desperation is putrid to be honest.
 

Wb1234

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Some real interesting things in here.

1) Labeling Thursday night matches as "marque slots" is wild.
2) Admitting the NRL has more viewers across the entire season than the FLA.
3) Admitting FLA can not match SOO.
4) Admitting WFLA is less watched than the NRLW.


FLA fan boy alert.


You're the one that is coming across as the one that is NEEDING that not to be correct. The desperation is putrid to be honest.
He says it’s not a relevant stat yet his website / twitter has specialised in ratings numbers for 15 years and it’s what most people here read his posts for (think he meant relevant stat not “relative” sic)
 

Iamback

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Some real interesting things in here.

1) Labeling Thursday night matches as "marque slots" is wild.
2) Admitting the NRL has more viewers across the entire season than the FLA.
3) Admitting FLA can not match SOO.
4) Admitting WFLA is less watched than the NRLW.


FLA fan boy alert.


You're the one that is coming across as the one that is NEEDING that not to be correct. The desperation is putrid to be honest.

Yes Moron Matt.

I am an AFL fan boy for breaking it down for simpletons like yourself
 

Perth Red

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end of day audience numbers are good for media releases and dck measuring but really all that matters is...........
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