2nd Chappell/Hadlee Trophy Match :: AUS v NZ @ MCG

[ozbash]

I think we'll benefit greatly from Pup being the captain...

:lol:

 

[JJ]

People seem to bag Elliott but he is a very useful ODI player. It is the test game where he struggles.

Elliott is absolute rubbish at this level, and is not even a Kiwi - FFS, I don't want half arsed Seth Efrikans in our team. Play either Cumming or Hopkins (if he's still there) instead. They should have taken a gamble on someone like Kane Williamson - on second thoughts, probably not until next year... Why not play Diamante?

What is it with Phil Hughes?? If he's half as good as the Sydney media are making out, then surely he's better than Warner (who is really just Afridi like by the look of it - you could afford that in a dominant team, but not an ordinary one) and Marsh, and D Hussey... all of who don't look remarkable at all

 

[aussies1st]

I'd say Dave Hussey will get the arse and they need somebody who can bowl a few overs to come in and replace him.

I'd say we will look something like this

Warner
Hopes
Clarke
Ferguson
Voges
Mike Hussey
Sh*te
Haddin
Johnson
Bracken
Tait

Hopes does do a decent job opening for Queensland, so if he was to replace Marsh I wouldn't be too upset, put it this way, if he MUST be there I'd rather he open and support Warner than come in at the death and fail to find the boundary.

Looks like a good team to me, I just can't see the selectors picking 2 newbies.

 

[Mr Angry]

I dont suppose it would have anything to do with the fact he is averaging just 30 this year at a strike rate of 71 in the Ford Ranger Cup?

As for Marsh he is out of the squad

I would suggest figures count for nothing as he has averaged 67 in shield cricket but they don't pick him for tests.

If form counted Lee Carseldine as the standout player of the Ford Ranger cup and the 20/20 would have been picked.

I am not suggesting I would pick Hughes for the ODIs, nor Carseldine.

The selectors are very puzzling they pick a 29 year old.

Like I say happy with Ferguson, young, Voges is very puzzling.

Glad Ricky is being "rested", glad Clarke gets a shot at the (c).

Hughes should be an automatic selection for the next test team. You cannot do more than he has in Shield games, there are a couple, Bradman and Ponsford.

 

[shiznit]

i was just talking about that voges bloke the other day... i wondered what happened to him.

good to see him back.... he looked class when i first saw him... decent batsman... gun fielder... and a handy spinner... he looked more promising than Cameron White...

 

[eddiesmith]

I would suggest figures count for nothing as he has averaged 67 in shield cricket but they don't pick him for tests.

If form counted Lee Carseldine as the standout player of the Ford Ranger cup and the 20/20 would have been picked.

I am not suggesting I would pick Hughes for the ODIs, nor Carseldine.

The selectors are very puzzling they pick a 29 year old.

Like I say happy with Ferguson, young, Voges is very puzzling.

Glad Ricky is being "rested", glad Clarke gets a shot at the (c).

Hughes should be an automatic selection for the next test team. You cannot do more than he has in Shield games, there are a couple, Bradman and Ponsford.

Carseldine and Dighton who are the 2 best performed batsmen are too old for their ODI plans, Voges at 29 has already had exposure and will definately still be around for the next world cup

Ferguson and Voges are the 2 best options on form and age

 

[JJ]

he looked more promising than Cameron White...

to be fair it's hard to imagine a cricketer that's already played international cricket that looks less promising than Cameron White

 

[Bigfella]

I dont suppose it would have anything to do with the fact he is averaging just 30 this year at a strike rate of 71 in the Ford Ranger Cup?

As for Marsh he is out of the squad

Thank god for some common sense.

Have the people calling for Hughes in the ODI side actually seen him play one day cricket?

He needs to seriouslywork on his leg side play.

I rate his ability to score runs for the situation and would have him straight into the Test side. But he is too reliant on off side scoring in one day cricket at the moment.

We are already labouring under a pair of openers who allow far too many dot balls. It's more than just being able to hit boundaries. Our greatest ODI batsmen (M Waugh, Jones, Bevan, Gilly, Chappel and Ponting) were equally great placers workers and boundary hitters.

I reckon we need Clarke and Haddin opening. I'd give Warner a run at 7. If we call the power play early and a wicket falls he should be lifted up the order.

I'd be looking at something like

Clarke
Haddin
Ponting
D Hussey
Ferguson (Symonds when fit)
M Hussey
Warner

I reckon your openers need to be capable of scoring big 100s, and playing a variety of roles. Fel Marsh and Warner are too one dimensional at this stage (boundaries or nothing) and its disrupting the rest of the batting order.

I truly think Warner can move into the role but needs to get comfortable at this level first. Guys like Gilly and M Waugh started down the order and became great openers later on.

 

[Twizzle]

Thank god for some common sense.

Have the people calling for Hughes in the ODI side actually seen him play one day cricket?

He needs to seriouslywork on his leg side play.

I rate his ability to score runs for the situation and would have him straight into the Test side. But he is too reliant on off side scoring in one day cricket at the moment.

We are already labouring under a pair of openers who allow far too many dot balls. It's more than just being able to hit boundaries. Our greatest ODI batsmen (M Waugh, Jones, Bevan, Gilly, Chappel and Ponting) were equally great placers workers and boundary hitters.

I reckon we need Clarke and Haddin opening. I'd give Warner a run at 7. If we call the power play early and a wicket falls he should be lifted up the order.

I'd be looking at something like

Clarke
Haddin
Ponting
D Hussey
Ferguson (Symonds when fit)
M Hussey
Warner

I reckon your openers need to be capable of scoring big 100s, and playing a variety of roles. Fel Marsh and Warner are too one dimensional at this stage (boundaries or nothing) and its disrupting the rest of the batting order.

I truly think Warner can move into the role but needs to get comfortable at this level first. Guys like Gilly and M Waugh started down the order and became great openers later on.

yes, he is very good at both ODIs and 20/20

he's about the only batsman I've seen that can excel at all forms of the game at state level

 

[Bazal]

I can't understand people not rating Marsh tbh...the kid averages what, 60 or 70 in the South African series and over 50 overall? That's off the top of my head...he needs to kick on to a hundred (probably mostly for the sake of his sanity lol) but he's reliably scored runs at the top of the order

 

[Bigfella]

Not saying I don't rate Marsh or Hughes - just that other players are better equipped at this stage of their careers.

IMO you need both openers to be capable of hitting tons for you.

I can't see Marsh, Hughes or Warner scoring tons at international level at this stage. Warner needs to adapt to high quality swing bowling and not get tied up on leg stump. If he does that he could be the most dangerous one day cricketer in the world.

Hughes' ODI record is nowhere near as good as his Shield record. From the games I have seen he looks to score far too heavily on one side of the wicket. Also gets tied up on leg stump and sides will work that out very quickly. He hasn't played that many one dayers and his average and strike rate don't warrant selection let alone demand it. He too is one who could certainly lift his game to the next level but needs to show it before getting slected. I'd be concerned it could affect his form in the longer game if he struggles in ODIs.

Marsh is the more complete one day batsman but still takes a lot of the strike and plays a lot of dot balls. So far he has shown promise but failed to kick on. Jury still out for mine but his average is certainly good.

I just think a combination of Haddin and Clarke would provide a great balance of boundary hitting, quality running and working of the ball, and would provide two blokes capable of scoring big one day tons. Both have done so capably at state level, and Clarke has opened succesfully for Aus. Both have much better records than the others.

Just think we shouldn't be relying on inexperienced blokes to play the role that you should have some of your best batsmen in.

 

[Bazal]

Warner I agree...he's not ready but we need openers and at the moment, we've lost one to retirement and two to injury (three if you consider that Jaques would have been a good chance of replacing Hayden). Ideally it'd be Marsh and Watson, which is a very good combination IMO. Clarke and Haddin are makeshift openers at best; Clarke hasn't done well up the top and Haddin hasn't played there in years from memory.

As it stands, I think we really only have Warner, Hughes, and Katich to choose from at the top. Personally I'd have Hughes, who has the talent and technique to succeed at any level, and Katich who has improved out of sight since his last stint and is capable of scoring 50s and 100s while still striking at 80+, but can also hold us together if needed.

 

[eddiesmith]

Ryder is out of the series

 

[JJ]

Ryder is out of the series

shame, but will cut down on the catering costs and bar tab

 

[IanG]

Game day and Punter Rested. Can the Aussies Turn it around?

 

[aussies1st]

I know this lineup won't happen but this is what I would go with

Haddin/Hopes
Warner
Ferguson
Clarke
Voges
Hussey
Dussey
Hopes/Haddin
Johnson
Bracken
Hilfy/Tait

Just leave Dussey to hitting big rather than trying to build an inns.

 

[aussies1st]

NZ win the toss and elect to bowl.
Our lineup

1 David Warner, 2 Michael Clarke (capt), 3 Brad Haddin (wk), 4 Michael Hussey, 5 David Hussey, 6 Callum Ferguson, 7 Cameron White, 8 James Hopes. 9 Mitchell Johnson, 10 Nathan Bracken, 11 Ben Hilfenhaus

 

[Big_Bad_Shark_Fan]

I know this lineup won't happen but this is what I would go with

Haddin/Hopes
Warner
Ferguson
Clarke
Voges
Hussey
Dussey
Hopes/Haddin
Johnson
Bracken
Hilfy/Tait

Just leave Dussey to hitting big rather than trying to build an inns.

Dont mind some of your ideas. The first one being possibly Hopes to open. I think thats brilliant. I dont know if anyones really noticed but Hopes really struggles to play the spin/slower bowlers. Not so much play them, but struggles to turn the strike over against them. In saying that I dont think he has big scores in him at the top, so im a bit unsure of his valur.

I also like the more license idea for Dave Hussey. Hes looking very average.

And id much rather us give young Ferguson a chance at the top with plenty of time.

 

[aussies1st]

Sadly as I thought they didn't try that.

 

[Marshall_magic]

NZ win the toss and elect to bowl.
Our lineup

1 David Warner, 2 Michael Clarke (capt), 3 Brad Haddin (wk), 4 Michael Hussey, 5 David Hussey, 6 Callum Ferguson, 7 Cameron White, 8 James Hopes. 9 Mitchell Johnson, 10 Nathan Bracken, 11 Ben Hilfenhaus

Mike Hussey is finally starting to hit form now he's at number 6, so we move him up to 4, and put a bloke who plays most of his cricket at 3 or 4 in at number 6 to fill that gap. Our selectors need to have more faith in the people they bring in and bat them up the order sometimes, because it seems every time a new batsman is brought in they bat at 6 if they aren't an opener.