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2nd Test: Australia v NZ at MCG, Dec 26-30 2019

hineyrulz

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Bazal said:
I still reckon most would struggle against consistent, good short balls. A guy like Ponting would cash in but even back then there were very few who would have enjoyed four balls an over at the throat.

He does a job, works hard and his stamina is unbelievable. Rather pick on mincers like Anderson tbh, Wagner is a proper cricketer IMO
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Windies did it for almost 20 years and there were normally 4 of them. The great players found a way.


The Windies quicks were all much taller and quicker. I’d love to have seen Wagner offer up his short stuff to Greenidge, Haynes, Lloyd, Viv and Ritchie Rich. He would of gone at 10 an over.
 
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Windies did it for almost 20 years and there were normally 4 of them. The great players found a way.


The Windies quicks were all much taller and quicker. I’d love to have seen Wagner offer up his short stuff to Greenidge, Haynes, Lloyd, Viv and Ritchie Rich. He would of gone at 10 an over.
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They were definitely taller, and most of them quicker. No doubt some batsmen would get after Wagner.

But he's a different cat to the Windies quicks as well. Short and strong, so he hurries and surprises you, and gets the ball to skip through that bit quicker and lower off the deck than a tall guy banging it in. Makes him that little bit tougher to get underneath.

Comparing eras is pointless at the end of the day but to write him off as a plodder in 2019 because "but but West Indies and Viv Richards" is Sprack-esque tbh
 
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They were definitely taller, and most of them quicker. No doubt some batsmen would get after Wagner.

But he's a different cat to the Windies quicks as well. Short and strong, so he hurries and surprises you, and gets the ball to skip through that bit quicker and lower off the deck than a tall guy banging it in. Makes him that little bit tougher to get underneath.

Comparing eras is pointless at the end of the day but to write him off as a plodder in 2019 because "but but West Indies and Viv Richards" is Sprack-esque tbh
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No my point was most Batman of today are all front foot plodders.


Just plant the front foot down the wicket and are shocked and struggle when someone bowls some continual short stuff at them. Windies used to bowl 4 balls an over between the chest and throat and there were 4 of them. The great players were still able to score runs against the greatest pace battery the world has seen. If they struggle against a bloke like Wagner heaven help them all having to face their like.
 
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No my point was most Batman of today are all front foot plodders.


Just plant the front foot down the wicket and are shocked and struggle when someone bowls some continual short stuff at them. Windies used to bowl 4 balls an over between the chest and throat and there were 4 of them. The great players were still able to score runs against the greatest pace battery the world has seen. If they struggle against a bloke like Wagner heaven help them all having to face their like.
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In that case I can kind of agree. But you can also see where the front foot idea has come from.

Heck Mark Waugh's entire solution when a batsman is under pressure is basically "f**ken just jump on the front dog and put him over the sight screen." We've had much better wickets and a generation of brilliant front foot players.
 
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