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2nd Test: Australia v South Africa at Hobart on Nov 12-16, 2016

Meapro Ham

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Selectors definitely need to start blooding some youth and stop going for the stop gap solution of bringing in old guys whose careers are nearly finished. That's the kind of thing the poms used to do when they were useless.
 

Sphagnum

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Watching 50yo seasoned campaigners like voges and ferguson fail so miserably makes you wonder what the f**ken selectors are thinking. Surely you'd get more out of a couple of young blokes.

It's mindbogglingly short sighted.
 

gUt

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http://www.theroar.com.au/2016/11/15/young-australian-batsmen-ignored-test-selectors/

Young Australian batsmen being ignored by Test selectors

Since their golden era ended in 2008, Australia have given Test debuts to 14 batsmen.

Incredibly, only five of them were younger than 28 years old.

It was hard to be too upset at the selection of 32-year-old Callum Ferguson for his Test debut against South Africa this week.

There have been plenty of occasions in recent years where I have strongly disagreed with the Australian selectors. But Ferguson has made almost 2000 runs at 54 in the Sheffield Shield since the start of the 2013-14 summer, averaging more than 50 for three consecutive seasons.

There was a similar weight of runs behind the Test selections of old stagers Adam Voges and Chris Rogers. In the two Shield seasons before he made his Test debut at 35 years of age, Voges piled up 2167 runs at 80.

Rogers, meanwhile, had more than 20,000 runs and 60 centuries to his name in first-class cricket when he was belatedly recalled to the Test team also aged 35.

Part of the reason that pair were given those opportunities was because of the dearth of young batting talent in the Shield at those times. But that is no longer the case.

In the four Shield seasons from 2011-12 to 2014-15 Shield seasons, run-scoring in the Shield was controlled by batsmen in their late 20s and 30s. In that period, only two of the top ten Shield runscorers each season were younger than 25, on average.

Last summer, the Shield was dominated by young batsmen. Nine of the top 12 runscorers were aged 24 or less – Kurtis Patterson (22 years old), Cameron Bancroft (23), Peter Handscomb (24), Jake Lehmann (23), Travis Head (22), Matt Renshaw (19), Travis Dean (23), Alex Ross (23) and Sam Heazlett (20).

Of those nine blossoming batsmen, Kurtis Patterson, Cameron Bancroft, Peter Handscomb and Matt Renshaw went on to have fine performances for Australia A in the winter. Meanwhile, Jake Lehmann ventured over to England and adapted swiftly to the foreign conditions, making an impressive 116 for county heavyweights Yorkshire out of a total of 286.

Lehmann has started this summer in wonderful touch, making 129 not out in his second Shield innings to give him a first-class record of 1322 runs at 49, with five tons from 18 matches.

Patterson, too, has been in great nick with 222 runs from the first two Shield games. He has amassed nearly 1200 first-class runs at an average of 60 in the past year.

Handscomb has scores of 78 and 60 among his first three Shield knocks. Appointed the captain of Australia A in the winter, Handscomb has made seven first-class tons in the past two years amid 1936 runs at 47.

Bancroft has had a slow start to this Shield season but has similarly impressive numbers behind him, with nearly 2000 runs at 46 the past two years.

Some cricket fans focus on career batting averages. But I would argue that for young batsmen it is form over the past 18 to 24 months which is far more relevant. It is pointless to hold against players their struggling efforts at 19, 20 or 21 years old, which drag down their career numbers.

All of Patterson, Handscomb, Bancroft and Lehmann have shown enough to be Test candidates, although Lehmann is much greener than the other three. Just a week ago it seemed likely one of these youngsters would be given the next shot at a middle order position in the Australian cricket team.

Instead it was 32-year-old Ferguson who got the nod. This continues the trend of selecting older batsmen, which started after Australia’s 15-year golden era ended in 2008. Since then, Australia have given Test opportunities to 14 batsmen – Chris Rogers, Phil Hughes, Marcus North, Steve Smith, Usman Khawaja, Shaun Marsh, David Warner, Ed Cowan, Rob Quiney, George Bailey, Alex Doolan, Joe Burns, Adam Voges and Callum Ferguson.

Remarkably, only five of those 14 batsmen were aged younger than 28 – Hughes, Smith, Warner, Burns and Khawaja. Australia clearly lack trust in their younger batsmen. But it is hard to see how they can successfully rebuild their side, after losing six veterans a year ago, if they don’t start to give opportunities to up-and-coming batsmen.
 

Bgoodorgoodatit

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Been in meetings all morning and just sat down with my lunch to tune in and see how we were going... cant say I was surprised....
 

JJ

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"Instead it was 32-year-old Ferguson who got the nod. This continues the trend of selecting older batsmen, which started after Australia’s 15-year golden era ended in 2008. Since then, Australia have given Test opportunities to 14 batsmen – Chris Rogers, Phil Hughes, Marcus North, Steve Smith, Usman Khawaja, Shaun Marsh, David Warner, Ed Cowan, Rob Quiney, George Bailey, Alex Doolan, Joe Burns, Adam Voges and Callum Ferguson."

They left Mitch Marsh off the list... but wow - at a quick look only Hughes, Smith, and perhaps Burns, Warner and Khawaja the first time could be considered forward looking moves... only Smith has been an unqualified success
 

Front-Rower

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But Ferguson has made almost 2000 runs at 54 in the Sheffield Shield since the start of the 2013-14 summer, averaging more than 50 for three consecutive seasons.

That's great though that is only an average of about 665 runs per season. Katich, Hayden and friends were amassing nearly twice that consistently when playing shield cricket.
 

Canard

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Watching 50yo seasoned campaigners like voges and ferguson fail so miserably makes you wonder what the f**ken selectors are thinking. Surely you'd get more out of a couple of young blokes.

It's mindbogglingly short sighted.

They got obsessed after Chris Rogers was mildy mediocre success.

It's crazy, its not like those guys were killing it.
 

Iafeta

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"Instead it was 32-year-old Ferguson who got the nod. This continues the trend of selecting older batsmen, which started after Australia’s 15-year golden era ended in 2008. Since then, Australia have given Test opportunities to 14 batsmen – Chris Rogers, Phil Hughes, Marcus North, Steve Smith, Usman Khawaja, Shaun Marsh, David Warner, Ed Cowan, Rob Quiney, George Bailey, Alex Doolan, Joe Burns, Adam Voges and Callum Ferguson."

They left Mitch Marsh off the list... but wow - at a quick look only Hughes, Smith, and perhaps Burns, Warner and Khawaja the first time could be considered forward looking moves... only Smith has been an unqualified success

Got to say Quiney is unlucky though. A pair of Quineys on that pitch would have settled the top order nerves
 

Iafeta

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Selectors definitely need to start blooding some youth and stop going for the stop gap solution of bringing in old guys whose careers are nearly finished. That's the kind of thing the poms used to do when they were useless.

Joe Mennie is this generations Allen Igglesden.
 

Pete Cash

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A lot of the old ways of earning a crust as a professional cricketer is dead. the english cricket board tightened the rules up on overseas players in county cricket up an absurd amount like 5 years ago.

I think it would benefit any australian who can to play county cricket sure but its not as easy as it used to be. guys who can qualify for English passports like steve smith should maybe consider a year in county over ipl but for Joe Blogs the regular australian guy its not like the old days with county cricket.,
 

JJ

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Australia only won one test series between 1983/84 vs Pakistan (when Chappell/Marsh/Lillee retired) and the 1989 Ashes (1987/88 vs New Zealand).

Also, there was some shockers that Border had to deal with during the first half of his captaincy. None take the cake quite like the one and only GLEN TRIMBLE!



But the quality of other teams was very high, coupled with some greats retiring...

Anyway, you might be being unfair on Trimble, he choked big time, but in reality was he worse than MMarsh or Mennie?
 

AlwaysGreen

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Although the batting performance was abysmal I reckon there's something not quite right in the Australian dressing room.

Whether it's divisions, lehmann or whatever you can just see that it's more than form that's the problem.

Voges has surely played his last test. Ferguson his second last if he doesn't score at least a 50 next time. Burns is in the wrong spot but is just filling in for smarsh who will return after injury.

Mennie will get dropped and should never have been picked.

I think they'll bring back levers for Adelaide because they see him as a long term prospect.

As for young players australian cricket really only picks young guys if they're truly outstanding ala Swaugh, Ponting, Clarke. There's a young batsman in NSW by the name of Jason Sangha who is tipped to be the next big thing, but he's a few years away.

My team for Adelaide
Bancroft
Warner
Kwajaha
Smith
Burns
Levers*
Neville
Starc
Lyons
Hazelwood
Bird

* picked this gimp only because I know the selectors will.
Wade is talking himself up as a batsman. Let's hope they keep that cancer out of the dressing room.
 

AlwaysGreen

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Maxwell is on the nose with selectors and should never be near the test team again.

They'll stick with Lyon I think or go O'Keefe. Unless the pitch is an absolute seamer or we have 4 pace bowlers of world class there will be a spinner in the team. Lyon is struggling but it's hard to take wickets when you've got 85 to defend. He's the least of our worries atm.
 

Meapro Ham

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Its probably about time for the big show to be given another go. The series is gone we may as well have some fun. Ramp shots, reverse sweeps, 12 off 6, at least it would be fun to watch.
 

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