2ND TEST: Australia v West Indies Adelaide Oval Dec 4 - Dec 8 2009

[lockyno1]

India won one of them and they had Agarkar!

Plus Kumble...a great spinner himself.

 

[TheParraboy]

On ya captain Bravo from the might Fine legs side :sarcasm:

 

[eddiesmith]

This pitch isn't the flatest, go check go the Indian and Caribbean pitch where you only see 2 innings. It's also produced 8 out of 11 results of something, not bad for a flat pitch.

Well thats more to do with the quality of the Australian attack and the extreme lack of quality around the world especially in the early part of the decade. They have beaten the West Indies a couple of times, the Kiwis a couple of times, England a couple of times, none of those sides have been any good and thats 6 results there due to sh*t opposition

As for the Carribean, they werent that batsman friendly last year when Australia toured and this year they flattened the pitches once the hosts went 1-0 up. England got rolled for 51, maybe we should say the Carribean pitches are all minefields? Oh and in India those pitches often fall apart dramatically to become spinners paradise by day 4-5

If the Adelaide Oval isnt flat enough for a day 5 chase of just under 4 an over then you are basically saying anything over 250 on the last day is impossible to chase anywhere in the world

 

[Bazal]

Only one team has EVER chased 300 to win at Adelaide and that was 100 years ago. Was definately going to be a draw!

And the problem is that Ponting thinks like you. All about defence, it's practically defeatism. He'd rather score 200 and draw easily than have a crack and risk having to save the game. What would have been wrong with going for the runs early on and reassessing at one of the breaks? Or sending Johnson up the order with a licence, leaving Hussey, Clarke, North and Haddin to bat the rest of the day if it doesn't work out? That's the kind of thinking that makes those historical chases happen...and the kind of thinking Ponting is incapable of.

Oh, and the funny part? Despite playing like scared children for this draw, we're still in a position where we will likely have to save the match :lol:

 

[hineyrulz]

On ya captain Bravo from the might Fine legs side :sarcasm:

And the Heroes

 

[Collingwood Storm]

What a disgrace. If Australia lose this then we need to go into all tests in Australia with a wrist spinner (either McGain or S.Smith for the next test). Drop Watson down to 6 so he can bowl more and bring in a specialist opener, preferably one who can field (i.e. not Jaques).

 

[aussies1st]

Plus Kumble...a great spinner himself.

http://www.cricinfo.com/australia/engine/match/63593.html
Show me where the great spinner is there for WI?

 

[hineyrulz]

And the problem is that Ponting thinks like you. All about defence, it's practically defeatism. He'd rather score 200 and draw easily than have a crack and risk having to save the game. What would have been wrong with going for the runs early on and reassessing at one of the breaks? Or sending Johnson up the order with a licence, leaving Hussey, Clarke, North and Haddin to bat the rest of the day if it doesn't work out? That's the kind of thinking that makes those historical chases happen...and the kind of thinking Ponting is incapable of.

Oh, and the funny part? Despite playing like scared children for this draw, we're still in a position where we will likely have to save the match :lol:

Agreed, as soon as Hussey came out they were only thinking draw.

 

[beads6]

Getting very interesting now. It would be huge for cricket if the Windies won... Would probably give the Aussies the shake uup they need to.

 

[beads6]

What a disgrace. If Australia lose this then we need to go into all tests in Australia with a wrist spinner (either McGain or S.Smith for the next test). Drop Watson down to 6 so he can bowl more and bring in a specialist opener, preferably one who can field (i.e. not Jaques).

Chris Rogers is in the poor fielder category also so that leave Phil Hughes to open.

 

[aussies1st]

Well thats more to do with the quality of the Australian attack and the extreme lack of quality around the world especially in the early part of the decade. They have beaten the West Indies a couple of times, the Kiwis a couple of times, England a couple of times, none of those sides have been any good and thats 6 results there due to sh*t opposition

As for the Carribean, they werent that batsman friendly last year when Australia toured and this year they flattened the pitches once the hosts went 1-0 up. England got rolled for 51, maybe we should say the Carribean pitches are all minefields? Oh and in India those pitches often fall apart dramatically to become spinners paradise by day 4-5

If the Adelaide Oval isnt flat enough for a day 5 chase of just under 4 an over then you are basically saying anything over 250 on the last day is impossible to chase anywhere in the world

http://www.cricinfo.com/indvsl2009/engine/current/match/430881.html
Does that look like a spinners paradise on day 4 or 5?

 

[eddiesmith]

Oh, and the funny part? Despite playing like scared children for this draw, we're still in a position where we will likely have to save the match :lol:

Thats the whole problem with playing for a draw, there is no pressure being put on the other team, they can keep attacking and a couple of prods at balls and you are suddenly struggling. If the batsman went on the attack then the slips would be removed quickly, the field spread out and the West Indies who dont often win games would probably fall apart

4 an over does not really require much risk taking, especially if you can take em early and spread the field then just wait for the bad balls, but playing for the draw plays right into the Windies hands

 

[Collingwood Storm]

Getting very interesting now. It would be huge for cricket if the Windies won... Would probably give the SELECTORS the shake uup they need to.

efa

It would seam losing to India (away), South Africa (home) and England (away for the 2nd time in a row) withing 9 months wasn't a big enough shake.

 

[eddiesmith]

http://www.cricinfo.com/indvsl2009/engine/current/match/430881.html
Does that look like a spinners paradise on day 4 or 5?

Seen the last 2 tests after it?

 

[aussies1st]

Seen the last 2 tests after it?

What does that have to do with this? You were talking about the Adelaide oval being the flattest pitch in the world. I just showed you a flatter pitch, and I'm sure I can find many more. Ahmedabad has a 50% draw record whereas the Adelaide oval has a 25% one, so who is the flattest pitch in the world again?

 

[hineyrulz]

efa

It would seam losing to India (away), South Africa (home) and England (away for the 2nd time in a row) withing 9 months wasn't a big enough shake.

Hilditch even was rewarded with another 2 year deal, so i doubt losing to the Windes will do anything.

 

[Bazal]

Thats the whole problem with playing for a draw, there is no pressure being put on the other team, they can keep attacking and a couple of prods at balls and you are suddenly struggling. If the batsman went on the attack then the slips would be removed quickly, the field spread out and the West Indies who dont often win games would probably fall apart

4 an over does not really require much risk taking, especially if you can take em early and spread the field then just wait for the bad balls, but playing for the draw plays right into the Windies hands

Exactly right...the Windies are the kind of team who would fall to pieces under attack. Even if we still drew the game, attack them and we could at least gain the psychological upper hand from the game. But now, even if we scrape a draw the Windies will be the ones taking a moral victory out of the game. They've toyed with us, they've had us submissively backing down from them all day. They'll take a hell of a lot of confidence from this game

 

[eddiesmith]

What does that have to do with this? You were talking about the Adelaide oval being the flattest pitch in the world. I just showed you a flatter pitch, and I'm sure I can find many more. Ahmedabad has a 50% draw record whereas the Adelaide oval has a 25% one, so who is the flattest pitch in the world again?

Very small sample size and most the of the draws are either due to rain or the pitch being actually difficult for batting but not getting out looking at the runs scored on the ground, only 3 500+ totals, in the same period the Adelaide Oval had 16

 

[TheParraboy]

And the Heroes

oi

aint you supposeed to be lining up in the queue for a prime mosh pit position tonight ;-)

 

[Twizzle]

Teams are getting too gutless these days, the Australian team of a couple of years ago would never have even thought about the draw at the start of the innings, the target was extremely gettable, this pitch isnt a minefield, its the flattest in world cricket

we also had a different batting line up back then which included Gilly