2nd Test: Australia v West Indies at Melbourne on Dec 26-30, 2015

[JJ]

Bishop could of been a topliner if it wasn't for his back injuries.

Tony Gray too

 

[ANTiLAG]

Bishop could of been a topliner if it wasn't for his back injuries.

How does that help El Diablo's "argument"?

 

[hineyrulz]

How does that help El Diablo's "argument"?

Just giving my opinion, El D's a big boy he can speak for himself.

 

[Pete Cash]

And?

Ambrose debuted 10 years after marshall, walsh like 7 and bishop 11 years

Those were all fine bowlers. Ambrose is an atg but its not different to teams today. Steyn for example is an atg with solid support but because he doesnt have four absurdly good quicks its manageable to see off the rsa.

Even if we think hey they produced say 10 great bowlers from hall in the late 50s to bishop in the late 80s the proof is in the pudding. No side has been able to constantly churn out atg fast bowler for a sustained period. Just one great bowler takes you to the top by the way.

Australia beat the windies at home in 95 by an innings to win the test series and become the best side in the world. Ambrose and walsh were there

 

[ANTiLAG]

Tony Gray too

Sylvester Clarke too. The county cricket players reckon he was the fastest of the lot, and every bit as good as Marshall.

Franklin Stephenson never even got a test match.

 

[Pete Cash]

The amount of quality fast bowlers they produced through the 70s 80s and 90s was unbelievable, the guys that couldn't make the team were frightening

I agree but its unusual in test cricket for such a glut of fast bowlers to be produced by one nation. The 90s had mcgrath, akram, ambrose, etc. For most of cricket history bat has dominated ball. The 70s, 80s and 90s were unusual and even by the 90s batsmen were starting to get back in control.

I think the bowlers the windies produced in that era were freakish. Its never been done before or since. Like i said just having one atg bowler will make a side hard to beat.

 

[ANTiLAG]

Ambrose debuted 10 years after marshall, walsh like 7 and bishop 11 years

JJ has already given you the answer.

Marshall was not a first stringer with the original line up. 1 test in 1979 and 1981. He became first string later on and is grouped with the Holding, Garner, Marshall +1 and the Ambrose, Walsh + 1.

You focus too much on debut years (for injury or trial, or whatever reason), and not sustained periods of play as a test regular.

Read this. You will understand. The point is, there was not "one" super West Indian Attack from start to finish. But two completely separate groups with no player overlap exist.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/527402.html

Those were all fine bowlers. Ambrose is an atg but its not different to teams today. Steyn for example is an atg with solid support but because he doesnt have four absurdly good quicks its manageable to see off the rsa.

Huh? South Africas weakness is the lack of a great spinner. Philander, Morkel, Abbott and Rabada (the latter who will probably finish in strong form) are a fairly strong attack. Didn't Steyn start with Pollock and Ntini? Are you thinking about what you write?

Even if we think hey they produced say 10 great bowlers from hall in the late 50s to bishop in the late 80s the proof is in the pudding. No side has been able to constantly churn out atg fast bowler for a sustained period. Just one great bowler takes you to the top by the way.

Huh?

Australia beat the windies at home in 95 by an innings to win the test series and become the best side in the world. Ambrose and walsh were there

Yeah, who was batting for them? Took Chanderpaul a lllloong time to come good. Lara and?

Was Bishop fit and bowling all tests? Who was the fourth bowler? A Benjamen?

[edit] I just looked. It was both Benjamens - Ambrose and Walsh bowled beautifully. But it was really Steve Waugh dominating with the bat that was by far the biggest difference. Bishop in for a Benjamen may have swayed it - but that was Steve Waugh's defining series as a great batsman (after 89 Ashes proved him as a batsman).

 

[Pete Cash]

Dale Steyn is one of the greatest bowlers ever, morkel is good, philander got destroyed in australia so he sucks.

 

[TheParraboy]

And Curtley...respect -5. reverse rat tail.

Looks like a damm fool

 

[JJ]

Dale Steyn is one of the greatest bowlers ever, morkel is good, philander got destroyed in australia so he sucks.

So if some of yours get destroyed, say in the Ashes, they suck too? Ok, I am good with tvat

 

[ANTiLAG]

Dale Steyn is one of the greatest bowlers ever, morkel is good, philander got destroyed in australia so he sucks.

Philander is a nibbler off the seam, ultra effective with the new ball. Australia produce roads without any movement.

You can say he sucks, he probably thinks your pitches suck.

Either way, he has destroyed a lot of teams outside Australia.

Btw , he averages 30.24 in Australia. Your batsman were not scoring a lot of runs in those matches if that is a "destruction".

 

[JJ]

Looks like a damm fool

He does but it's Ambrose so he can do whatever the f**k he wants

 

[wittyfan]

More gifts today with some shit bowling.

 

[Pete Cash]

Im only joking about philander. Id say he is the bowling version of a flat track bully (a greentop bully) but has gone alright in india so *shrug* . Either way its good but not like the windies of the 70s and 80s. Despite steyn being an atg

 

[Pete Cash]

So if some of yours get destroyed, say in the Ashes, they suck too? Ok, I am good with tvat

None of our bowlers went that bad tbh

 

[TheParraboy]

He does but it's Ambrose so he can do whatever the f**k he wants

yup

I have no problem him looking like a git to young guys he is trying mentor..

 

[ANTiLAG]

Im only joking about philander. Id say he is the bowling version of a flat track bully (a greentop bully) but has gone alright in india so *shrug* . Either way its good but not like the windies of the 70s and 80s. Despite steyn being an atg

More pronounced seam on the Indian ball than the kookie?

[Edit] Yips.

Sanspareils Greenlands (SG) is a leading manufacturer of cricket equipment in the world.[1] Its balls are used in Test cricket and in the Ranji Trophy in India.[2][3] They have a more prominent seam than the Kookaburra balls used for Test matches in rest of the world apart from England and West Indies, resulting from the thicker thread used for stitching.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanspareils_Greenlands

https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=Uee7BAAAQBAJ&pg=PT36&lpg=PT36&dq=sg+ball+has+pronounced+seam+than+the+kookaburra&source=bl&ots=_I3lqY6qAp&sig=y3mfHBlWs2zbbgzDdRdN7W-6Mnw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjeyO_wu_nJAhWFHKYKHSSGA0EQ6AEIPDAG#v=onepage&q=sg%20ball%20has%20pronounced%20seam%20than%20the%20kookaburra&f=false

The Duke and SG brands, for instance, have a more pronounced seam than the kookaburra...

As I said, he's a nibbler.

 

[ANTiLAG]

no. they play an ODI

they want to play over here in a boxing day test but CA don't think they pull crowds

CA is correct

93,013 isn't enough? I'm led to believe that NZ v Australia has got the record crowd attendance for any cricket match at the MCG, international or domestic, T20 through to test.

 

[El Diablo]

derp

 

[blaza88z]

West Indies either need to fix their shit with these guys refusing to play test cricket or be relegated to minnow status for the longer version of the game, it's a joke how bad they are at test cricket, you need to take 20 wickets to win a game, they'll be going well to take 10

Look at the players in the big bash right now, Bravo, Russell, Sammy, Badree.. I am sure there are more too, if they're not hurting watching their national team getting absolutely murdered then they shouldn't be playing cricket

I can't even imagine if someone like David Warner said to CA "oh I would much rather play T20 cricket", which is basically what Chris Gayle has done, like for like example