36 years and the first time I've been ashamed of our Club

[Eels Dude]

Life is a b!tch but if you want success in sport you need to be willing to make decisions that might be hard on people at the time...

You see I disagree. Changing coaches every twelve months has the ability to set us back even further. Look at when Hagan left Anderson had absolutely no say in the 2009 roster so it took the side a while to kick into gear. Will the same thing happen with Kearney? Only time will tell but it certainly won't surprise me if he takes some time to settle in and we fail to make the semis in 2011 because of it. And what happens then? Another new coach for 2012?

You need to have some kind of stability to be successful and win a premiership and I for one don't think we have that right now.

 

[Jake the snake]

I think the point is accepting such a decision without questioning it means the same think could happen again in another 12 months time. Do we again just sit back and think "oh well, no use worrying about the past. We've got a new coach for 2012 and they've got my full support". The board should realise a lot of fans are extremely annoyed about the way this situation has been handled. If every fan sits on their hands and just says "let's move on" then you're pretty much approving the board to do anything they want and get away with murder.

People sat on the their hands while Fitzgerald blew millions and millions of $$$$$$$$ yet you jump up and down when an underperforming coach gets the flick.

Doesn't add up?????

 

[Eels Dude]

People sat on the their hands while Fitzgerald blew millions and millions of $$$$$$$$ yet you jump up and down when an underperforming coach gets the flick.

Doesn't add up?????

How could do anyone do anything but sit on their hands when Fitzy was in charge???? Fitzgerald had a monopoly on the running of our for 30 years and changed the rules so no one could oust him. It finally happened thankfully, but it took a lot of groundwork and effort for him to be ousted. And I wouldn't call a coach who took us to one win of the premership last year (and losing to a rorting side for the record) underperforming.

 

[Casper The Ghost]

the fans you refer to are the ones who have been waiting since 1986 for another premiership.... they want success.
yet at the first sign of our management doing something to help us succeed on the field they have a whinge about loyalty...

please we all need to grow up and accept the decision... that is sport. People get sacked, ando has copped it. Many coaches in all codes have copped it.

some people grow and move onto a better career others die by the sword...

We did not have success in 2010 and that rests with ando.

Life is a b!tch but if you want success in sport you need to be willing to make decisions that might be hard on people at the time...

The legacy of all the good men and women (a MANS word is everything) behind the club, who performed for the club, created the culture that led to the Eels having/attracting the players and the nurturing environment which produced the golden era, 1975 to 1986, with its many club championships, 7 GF entries, winning 4 of them. This culture of love for the Parramatta Eels club/region has almost been killed off now to be replaced by another culture which revers the $$$$ and ego far far more than the nurturing bonds of men, women and children who create the Parramatta community. If we do not repair this damage done and heal all the cracks, all future coaches, players, directors, staff, etc, will fall deeply into the cracks of this new culture and enter the abyss of uncertainty where there are no community bonds looking after everyone.

 

[boxhead]

The legacy of all the good men and women (a MANS word is everything) behind the club, who performed for the club, created the culture that led to the Eels having/attracting the players and the nurturing environment which produced the golden era, 1975 to 1986, with its many club championships, 7 GF entries, winning 4 of them. This culture of love for the Parramatta Eels club/region has almost been killed off now to be replaced by another culture which revers the $$$$ and ego far far more than the nurturing bonds of men, women and children who create the Parramatta community. If we do not repair this damage done and heal all the cracks, all future coaches, players, directors, staff, etc, will fall deeply into the cracks of this new culture and enter the abyss of uncertainty where there are no community bonds looking after everyone.

Bloody hell you are blaming all these changes on the current board? I am sorry, but that's the way the whole Australian population has changed. You can't blame a cultural change on a group of board members.

 

[Eels Dude]

Bloody hell you are blaming all these changes on the current board? I am sorry, but that's the way the whole Australian population has changed. You can't blame a cultural change on a group of board members.

Culture at the club has nothing to do with the changing culture of Australia's population.

 

[Gronk]

People sat on the their hands while Fitzgerald blew millions and millions of $$$$$$$$ yet you jump up and down when an underperforming coach gets the flick.

Doesn't add up?????

The war is over mate. Move on. You're like that Japanese soldier stuck on the island with Gilligan and the Skipper.

 

[Jake the snake]

How could do anyone do anything but sit on their hands when Fitzy was in charge???? Fitzgerald had a monopoly on the running of our for 30 years and changed the rules so no one could oust him. It finally happened thankfully, but it took a lot of groundwork and effort for him to be ousted. And I wouldn't call a coach who took us to one win of the premership last year (and losing to a rorting side for the record) underperforming.

I was comparing the reactions to the situations.

You would think that when a bloke is able to lose that amount of money their would be outrage on here. But no not a peep. Hadley didn't say anything about his mate neither did any of people on here who are bagging the current board.The only people that stood up to Fitzidiot were the current board.
It's criminal how that so called CEO made one bad investment after another.

But now when the current board sack a coach for Underperforming. Then they are bagged to the sh*thouse.

I don't get it. Or are people views that dominated by Hadleys opinion that they run screaming and shouting when he does??

 

[Haynzy]

The precedence you both now support makes it acceptable and normal behaviour for the chaos of uncertainty caused by a few over the past few months to be repeated ad infinitum, whenever and however in the future, without recourse, and without the orchestrators being answerable to anyone because, everyone else will have turned their backs on what has been going on, "the uncertainty", will not interfere and, will validate (approve) such attitudes and will surmise with ideas like "I'm not going to get into an argument over the semantics of the situation. I'm looking ahead and not worrying about the past; something I believe many other Eels fans are doing as well." and "is no longer part of the club."

If you both acquiesce to this chaotic environment of uncertainty, then you have created no resistance against such future campaigns of chaos and so the chaos grows and grows and grows, unchecked, is accepted as normal behaviour in the Eels club/s and is seen as being a natural part of life. Fortunately you are both in a very tiny minority and that there exists a very large majority who have a conscience, who have strong intact morals, who place the lives of men and women above $$$$$$ and who will wipe out this chaotic malaise of uncertainty before it completely kills off the club.

Whoah boy... I was commenting on your qustion. Please don't put words in my mouth.

DA was an underperforming coach according the criteria set out by his employers. I don't like the way it seems he was sacked but I can't turn back time.

You said why can't we keep him for 5years...... he's already been sacked..do the board call him back now and say 'hey, we were a bit harsh mate why don't you come back.'

 

[Casper The Ghost]

Bloody hell you are blaming all these changes on the current board? I am sorry, but that's the way the whole Australian population has changed. You can't blame a cultural change on a group of board members.

No, the rot started with Dennis Fitzgerald & others, though most, if not almost everyone, including myself, did not see this rot coming. It has been very gradual and subtle. The love for the $$$$$ grew and grew and the ego of status, position, power, control and self-glory hinged to performance which = $$$$$$, eventually escalated into 3P. In hindsight, many of us are waking up to what has happened. We are all responsible for the growth of this terrible new culture.

And as for Australia......... and for your interest....... The Commonwealth Of Australia is a private corporation, a piece of paper, conducting a commercial enterprise above, below, upon, within and around the lands of Gondwanaland, Arnhem Land, etc. The culture that stems out of this private corporation and all the states and territories it rules over, has caused a massive change to the standard of living of all its citizens (wards of the state).

A tiny extract from a booklet we wrote back in late 2006/completed early 2007 called "Corporation Australia":

"We have gone from being a country where taxes, up until the 1950s/early 1960s, were almost non-existent. We had a half a percent income tax and a half a percent sales tax that came and went. All the other direct and indirect taxes we are lumbered with today, did not exist. Superannuation and workers compensation id not exist either. We were able to do this because the government (the people) was still creating more common wealth money than borrowing Mammon’s (private corporation fiat/legal-tender/promises to pay/promissory notes).

But the weighted scale was slowly shifting in favour of Mammon to where it now hits the ground. A family of four is now paying taxes (direct and indirect) of over $600.00 per week. A loaf of sliced white bread is taxed at least six times by the time a consumer buys it. Where once an Australian dollar was valued at a dollar, today it is under 10c, possibly around 3c. The buying power of the dollar has been seriously diminished due to rapid inflation, particularly since the Whitlam era. Today, the average Australian family is in debt to the tune of at least 160% of their income."

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These figures have gotten worse since 2006/2007. The economy is not natural, it is mechanical (a metaphor for man-made), and it needs men and women to operate it. Everything to do with money including outcomes happen by design.

There are forumites who get emotional (includes negative-destructive behaviour like ignorance, character assassination, ridicule, abusive, arrogant, etc) when I post such information in this Eels forum but I do this to try to open up the brain of anyone I can reach to show them the cause of cultural change and the connections of those responsible.

 

[Casper The Ghost]

I was comparing the reactions to the situations.

You would think that when a bloke is able to lose that amount of money their would be outrage on here. But no not a peep. Hadley didn't say anything about his mate neither did any of people on here who are bagging the current board.The only people that stood up to Fitzidiot were the current board.
It's criminal how that so called CEO made one bad investment after another.

But now when the current board sack a coach for Underperforming. Then they are bagged to the sh*thouse.

I don't get it. Or are people views that dominated by Hadleys opinion that they run screaming and shouting when he does??

Most of us forumites on this forum are not Dennis Fitzgerald supporters...... we are supporters of the community of the Parrramatta Eels club/s - we love the Eels and are determined to protect it's working-class culture created out of the morally correct values of the many good men and women who helped to make this club into the great club it became during the golden era. For me personally I am determined to protect these important working-class community values from further erosion which means good bye to the spin-doctors, deceivers, and big-business schemers/pirates behind 3P. By the middle of next year 3P will no longer have any involvement in the Parramatta Eels Rugby League club/s.

 

[mrpwnd]

I was comparing the reactions to the situations.

You would think that when a bloke is able to lose that amount of money their would be outrage on here. But no not a peep. Hadley didn't say anything about his mate neither did any of people on here who are bagging the current board.The only people that stood up to Fitzidiot were the current board.
It's criminal how that so called CEO made one bad investment after another.

But now when the current board sack a coach for Underperforming. Then they are bagged to the sh*thouse.

I don't get it. Or are people views that dominated by Hadleys opinion that they run screaming and shouting when he does??

With power comes responsibility.
Sound familiar mate?
Perhaps when the board initially took over, they were genuine blokes just wanting to oust Fitzy and help establish a successful club. However, whether they all share the same aspirations today is largely questionable.
Okay, Fitzys investments were bad and so noone regrets him being kicked off, that doesn't make the decision to sack DA any bit more justifiable. It's not really a matter of comparing the past to the present mate, it's the fact that if the board continue this chop and change policy for coaches that don't make the top 8, then we'll continue our sh*t form as a club, I want what's best for the club and the team, and I strongly believe a long-term coach is what we need.
Constant coach changing simply isn't the answer, DA was given a contract of 3 years to prove that within the contraints of that time, he could show the board that he could take the team somewhere.
1st year he defied all odds and helped the team to a grand final appearance.
2nd year, underperformed(or perhaps didn't perform to the over-expectations of the board?) and contract was immediately terminated at seasons end.
You tell me if that's the right decision or not, I sure as hell don't think so.

 

[Casper The Ghost]

Whoah boy... I was commenting on your qustion. Please don't put words in my mouth.

DA was an underperforming coach according the criteria set out by his employers. I don't like the way it seems he was sacked but I can't turn back time.

You said why can't we keep him for 5years...... he's already been sacked..do the board call him back now and say 'hey, we were a bit harsh mate why don't you come back.'

If there is any SOUL left in this club... ABSOLUTELY.... we will make right what has been made wrong, we will turn back the tide of this terrible $$$$$$ culture and restore Daniel Anderson as coach and give him all the support and control he needs to do what he was contracted to do. He has one more year on his contract to go and any player that does not want to work with Daniel Anderson can piss off from this club immediately and this includes all staff and all other officials. We must stick to our word because without it we are nothing, just empty vessels without a soul that was sold out to the $$$$$$$$$$$ culture. Look after the soul of the Eels and the $$$$$$$ will take care of themselves. We don't have to jump 10 feet across a room to grab our next breath of air... neither will we have to do that with $$$$$$$, if we take care of the Eels community who takes care of everyone part of it the $$$$$$$$ just flows in. People come first for withoit strong-bonded relationships there will be no $$$$$$$$ flowing.

 

[mrpwnd]

Anderson made me play with injury: Tahu

By Steve Jancetic AAP Wed, 29 Sep 2010 17:27:15

Dual international Timana Tahu claims sacked Parramatta coach Daniel Anderson forced him to play through a debilitating ankle injury in a bid to save the Eels' NRL season.
In a bitter aftermath to Anderson's sacking from the club following a extraordinary board meeting on Monday night, Tahu said Anderson ignored the wishes of Eels medical staff in forcing the NSW Origin star to battle through the complaint which first surfaced in May.
The Eels struggled to live up to expectations throughout a poor 2010 campaign - pre-season premiership favouritism finishing in a disappointing 12th-placed finish.
"I've had it since Country (the City-Country) clash and I've just been restricted, since Country it's just been torture with this ankle and it still hasn't recovered," Tahu said.
"I could have done things better during the season to get back to 100 per cent but we were struggling during the year and Ando wanted players on the field training so it just got worse as we kept on going."
Asked if the injury - which threatens his availability for Australia's Four-Nations campaign - could have been better managed, Tahu said:
"Yeah it could have been but when the coach overrules the physios and the medical staff, it's an uphill battle.
"We just had to listen to what the coach wanted, we were under pressure during the year."
Not surprisingly Tahu backed the board's decision to release Anderson from the final year of his contract, with Melbourne assistant Stephen Kearney the hot tip to get the job ahead of former Cronulla coach Ricky Stuart.
"I support the club and the board 100 per cent," Tahu said.
"Every club wants to be successful and Parramatta needs to think about the future of where Parramatta wants to go and whatever decision they make I support them.
"It's a tough business being in the NRL as a player, I've been in that situation where you're not wanted ... it should go for coaches as well, if you don't perform then you know you're under pressure the same as the players."
Adding to the drama of Tahu's injury predicament is the fact he is off contract at the end of the year after it was revealed his agreement to return to the club following two years in rugby union was only for one season - with a verbal agreement for two more years.
While he has received assurances from chief executive Paul Osborne that his future is secure, Tahu admitted to having some sleepless nights worrying about his plight.
"It is a bit stressful, I've got three kids, I need to put food on the table for my family and I don't know what my future is," Tahu said.
"I was supposed to re-sign in round ten and I'm still to sign a contract.
"Ozzie's saying everything's fine ... (he's) told me Steve Kearney if he does get the job wants me there which is a positive thing, I'd like to be coached underneath him.
"Every club has spent all their money, I'm hoping that when I walk in soon that there's a contract sitting on the table waiting to get signed because if not I don't know where I'm going to go, I haven't talked to no-one.
"Clubs don't want injured players and especially at my age, coming to the back end of my career, they don't want old, injured players."
Despite being limited to the weights room on Wednesday, Tahu said he was still hopeful of making the final cut-off when the Australian squad was announced on Tuesday.

I'm sorry, but this is the final straw for Tahu. Kicking DA when he's down? It's been nothing but whinge, whinge and more whinge off this idiot.

 

[Casper The Ghost]

I'm sorry, but this is the final straw for Tahu. Kicking DA when he's down? It's been nothing but whinge, whinge and more whinge off this idiot.

Yes and Tahu comes in the image of Paul Osborne who comes in the image of 3P!!!!!!

 

[IFR33K]

Yes and Tahu comes in the image of Paul Osborne who comes in the image of 3P!!!!!!

Tahu has played injured or not 100 percent his whole career. When at union didn't he say he has never been able to run at more than 75 percent and that he was never rehabilitated properly in league.

Without a contract for next year, I don't think he is downing to come out and knock his mate Ozzie and the board.

On the news he Said when players and coaches don't perform they should face the sack.

Ffs champ, going by your logic, you should of been the first one shown the door.

 

[ROGUE]

The war is over mate. Move on. You're like that Japanese soldier stuck on the island with Gilligan and the Skipper.

That my friend is gold:lol::lol::lol::lol:.....and a corker of a ep

 

[Eels Dude]

I was comparing the reactions to the situations.

You would think that when a bloke is able to lose that amount of money their would be outrage on here. But no not a peep. Hadley didn't say anything about his mate neither did any of people on here who are bagging the current board.The only people that stood up to Fitzidiot were the current board.
It's criminal how that so called CEO made one bad investment after another.

But now when the current board sack a coach for Underperforming. Then they are bagged to the sh*thouse.

I don't get it. Or are people views that dominated by Hadleys opinion that they run screaming and shouting when he does??

Rubbish. Fitzgerald was bagged plenty on this forum for years. Some people have short memories.