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3rd ODI: New Zealand v Australia at Hamilton on Feb 8, 2016

JJ

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Smith would have done absolutely done the same thing, no doubt about it. But I'd be willing to bet if it had happened in reverse order NZ fans and the Aussies haters at cricinfo alike would tearing strips off him for winning at all costs and not playing in the spirit of cricket.

The reaction has been way over the top for sure. At the end of the day Marsh was out, the right decision got made and the better team won. Now let's start focusing on the Tests.

Think you're wrong - sorry, I don't see any spirit of cricket argument - the key thing here remains that Marsh was out, and the technology showed that clearly - there wasn't any ambiguity. The process wasn't ideal, but it really just is weird - it's like some Australian journos want your own underarm or Dyer (I could go on, but will stop there), sorry this just isn't it imo
 

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I didn't see it live, and have not seen a full replay. How long did it take for the umpires to review the decision? I know that for DRS, the team wanting the review has a time limit. Does this also apply here?






Also, I read that the umpires didn't even hear the appeal at first. I would suggest that if you want to seriously ask the question, it needs to be audible! If the bowler has turned around and walked back to bowl the next ball, he couldn't have been too confident...

The ABC sports reporter this morning said the ump didn't hear the appeal

the crowd alerted the players when they saw the replay, then the ump saw it and asked the players if they wanted to appeal the decision

if that's true its really not supposed to happen that way

I somehow dont think we will see the replays on the big screen get replayed instantly any more
 

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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11586213

No Elliott fan, but seriously, Wade took offence at that, what a merkin

Some Aussie players and media do seem a bit precious about this perception of the NZ team as 'nice' - largely a creation of the Aussie media anyway...

The sledge that started a verbal transtasman war was a simple reminder of the rules of cricket.
As Mitchell Marsh walked off after being given out in controversial circumstances he yelled, "That's f***ing bullshit."
Grant Elliott, the New Zealand allrounder who had been taunted during his fighting 50 by the Australians, replied: "So we're not playing caught and bowleds in this game then?"
That jibe got under the skin of out-of-form wicketkeeper Matthew Wade who called Elliott a "f***ing coward".
The incident occurred during a dramatic period in Monday's third one-day international in Hamilton, which saw Aussie all-rounder Mitchell Marsh controversially given out after a half-hearted appeal from the Black Caps.
Marsh was fuming as he walked off the field and his batting partner Matthew Wade was clearly not happy either.

In the following over, Wade and Grant Elliott engaged in a fierce sledging battle while the Aussie gloveman was at the non-striker's end.
Wade was clearly heard on the stump microphone saying, "only a f---ing coward sledges people when they walk off".


Wade's pointed sledge is interesting given it was Elliott who was on the receiving end of some less than kind words during last year's World Cup final at the MCG. Elliott told Wade "love your work" before umpire Ian Gould attempted to intervene.
Australia's wicketkeeper in that game, the now-retired Brad Haddin, appeared to have some parting advice for Elliott after he was dismissed by James Faulkner.

The pair had earlier been seen sledging each other during Elliott's innings of
The Aussies received some criticism for their aggression during the World Cup victory, a charge to which Haddin responded in an infamous early morning interview the next day where he said he was made to feel "uncomfortable" by how nice the Kiwi players were in their clash in Auckland during the group stage.
 

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Elliot is a polite 'needler'.

He doesn't say or do things fineworthy, but he needles and gets under the skin of angry opposition players, that is one of the reasons why he get sledged so much by Australia.

Steve Smith's angry review yesterday of Ronchi non lbw, Steve Smith was visibly and audibly angry with the umpiring, Grunter said to them that it'd be kinda funny if it was not out. It was not out after the review.

He is known in the kiwi camp for a very cool head under pressure and a very dry and laconic wit. He's the nice guy that just pisses you right off when you're mad with polite common sense statements said dispassionately. A voice of reason when all you want is silence.
 
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Nah Wade is definitely in the wrong there. That said, Elliot did a fine Jon riling him up. And I don't mean that as a criticism
 

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To be fair, not hard to get an aggressive response from the Aussies - again, to me nothing wrong with what Elliott said, if Wade considers that sledging then he sets the bar pretty low - has he told Haddin and Faulkner how gutless he thinks they are? Obviously much more gutless than Elliott

Again, our team does what it does, they play the game they way they want - they engage in little/no sledging, but some players chat a bit - it's not them that announced themselves as the moral saviours of cricket - it's some sections of the media, but boy doesn't it irritate some Australian players
 

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Nah Wade is definitely in the wrong there. That said, Elliot did a fine Jon riling him up. And I don't mean that as a criticism

I think we all love Wade's work, personally sad to see him miss out on the 20:20 team - hope his ODI career continues for a while
 

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Jeez who says NZ and their fans are the nice guys of cricket....thats just an awful thing to wish on any side....lol
 

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It started when kiwi batsman nearly killed a Sri Lankan spinner and Bmac didn't take a run off the deflection and went to see if he was alright. Which is a touch ironic for keen NZ cricket fans.
 
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Why does anyone need to talk to a batsman when he is dismissed at all ? Just ignore him. What really is the difference between politely needling him and giving him a serve Mitchell Starc style. There is only one situation that could blow up on the field and its after a batsman is dismissed. Utterly pointless.
 

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Why does anyone need to talk to a batsman when he is dismissed at all ? Just ignore him. What really is the difference between politely needling him and giving him a serve Mitchell Starc style. There is only one situation that could blow up on the field and its after a batsman is dismissed. Utterly pointless.

The difference is fineworthiness.

Why does Mitchell Marsh need to yell expletives after being dismissed and suggest caught and bowls are bs?

Can a dismissed batsman give a sendoff to fielders, and the fielders have no right of reply?

Like I say, Elliot gets sledged and needles back.

36 years of age, lots of cricket played, domestic captain, he knows all the tricks that are above board.
 
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No. But it'd unlikely it'd be considered if you don't see or hear an appeal. Henry does appeal, albeit quietly but that is an appeal. The ferocity of the appeal isn't overly relevant. It's a case of yes or no. In this case he did appeal.
While technically this was an appeal, it didn't help the bowler's case. It is only human nature to appeal more aggressively if you want to convince the umpire that you personally believe that it is out and that he should agree with you.


Mind you, I hate bowlers who appeal aggressively for even the slightest chance of getting a wicket. If I was an umpire, I would take this into account when looking at any close decision.
 

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haha, Wade sledging someone?? What a deadset mong. He has to be one of the worst players to ever don our colours... in good company with fellow Victorian Boland
 

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The difference is fineworthiness.

Why does Mitchell Marsh need to yell expletives after being dismissed and suggest caught and bowls are bs?

Can a dismissed batsman give a sendoff to fielders, and the fielders have no right of reply?

Like I say, Elliot gets sledged and needles back.

36 years of age, lots of cricket played, domestic captain, he knows all the tricks that are above board.

Because the batsman is frustrated that he got out. Marsh wasn't talking to anyone in particular he was just annoyed. Yeah he was carrying on like a pork chop so I think its a wash, like say if a batsman was hanging around the fielding side should be able to ask him to get moving

But in general I just hate it. So pointless and to agree with Wade its pretty gutless.
 

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But it upset Wade, no?

I like I say, Aussies love to sledge Elliot. When he's batting and when he's bowling.

I think it happens in part because he is a needler. He is not going to turn the other cheek, nor respond with vitriolic abuse. But he will needle angry players. That is what he does. He does it so well he does not get fined for anything. He does not swear. He does not give abuse. He just politely needles and it irritates the heck out of angry players. He gets right under their skin and right on their wick.
 
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Pete Cash

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I doubt it upset him too much tbh.

I am completely opposed to all send offs besides if the batsman is carrying on like a f**kwit or hanging around for an unusually long time. Marsh was riding that line but he wasn't directing his frustration at anyone in particular so I think just ignore him.

You guys were saying Starc getting an ankle injury was karma for asking Santner to get a wriggle on a couple of months ago. Now its all ok ?
 

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