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3rd Test: South Africa v Australia at Newlands, Capetown, March 22-26, 2018

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Australia need a clean out. Sack the coach and bring in cultural change.

Enter Justin Langer :D

You know it doesn't make sense. But you know it'll happen.

Meanwhile if England could politely sack Bayliss and install that legend Jason Gillespie as our coach then the story would be complete.
f**k you Tommy
 

Zadar

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In the extremely unlikely event that Australia win this test, how would the reaction be then?

Should this test keep going? Or do SA just get credited with the win now?
 

Tommy Smith

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Yeah, it's pretty strange all round.

We have one of the strongest pace attacks of the last 20 years playing on quick bowling decks and you decide to cheat? It's not like he had Hilfenhaus or Mennie sending down pies.

I also think this means a question has to be asked about how we select our captain. This longstanding policy of it being the best batsman in the side was always going to result in an unqualified player getting by the gig eventually.

I would almost consider parachuting Bailey in as a specialist captain to bat at 6 for a few years.
Hey that's an English tradition!

It started with Brearley and is being continued with Eoin Morgan.

What's Katto doing these days? Get him to bring the bat out of retirement. Another fine upstanding Aussie cricketer like Ed Cowan who was dumped for being too genuine a bloke.

Clarke, "sorry Katto, but merkins only in this team."
 

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God, Gillespie is the coach we need right now.

Looking back at Arthur and homeworkgate - we all made fun of it at the time, but by punting him and appointing Lehmann with his 'let's polish off a slab and listen to some chisel' school of coaching, the players got the message loud and clear that they were right to question authority and they didn't have to answer to anyone.

I bet he's laughing right now.
 

Timbo

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Hey that's an English tradition!

It started with Brearley and is being continued with Eoin Morgan.

What's Katto doing these days? Get him to bring the bat out of retirement. Another fine upstanding Aussie cricketer like Ed Cowan who was dumped for being too genuine a bloke.

Clarke, "sorry Katto, but merkins only in this team."

Yep, Cowans cards were stamped the second Lehmann took over. He had his own opinions, prefers to read rather than smashing a case of woodies and sticks pretty hard to his principles.

Lehmann has a strict merkins only policy.
 

Eelectrica

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The problem is if our 'Leadership' group had an IQ test it would come back negative. That Smith calls this 'An error in judgement' shows just how far removed from reality he is.

An error in judgement is thinking a ball is going to miss off stump, leaving it and watching it clatter into off stump. This is more like 'Gee that iceberg looks awefully close, no worries though this ship is unsinkable... right?'

Smithy doesn't want to lose the Captains pay cheque, pretty sure he'll have a few less sponsors when this is done though.
 

BunniesMan

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God, Gillespie is the coach we need right now.

Looking back at Arthur and homeworkgate - we all made fun of it at the time, but by punting him and appointing Lehmann with his 'let's polish off a slab and listen to some chisel' school of coaching, the players got the message loud and clear that they were right to question authority and they didn't have to answer to anyone.

I bet he's laughing right now.
"old school values" was empty PR. There is nothing old school about open pre meditated conspiracy to cheat.

As well as the low act of cheating itself, how stupid do they have to be to think they'd get away with it when there are a million HD cameras looking at everything from every angle. It's like they thought they were in grade cricket with no crowd, no cameras, and some snoozing pensioner umpires.
 

Pommy

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In the extremely unlikely event that Australia win this test, how would the reaction be then?

Should this test keep going? Or do SA just get credited with the win now?

I cant believe CA haven't forfeited the match already, no way this game can continue with any credibility at all.
Stick anyone implicated on the next flight home and continue any remaining games with a makeshift side and try to salvage some dignity by being in the spirit of the game.
 

JJ

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The problem is if our 'Leadership' group had an IQ test it would come back negative. That Smith calls this 'An error in judgement' shows just how far removed from reality he is.

An error in judgement is thinking a ball is going to miss off stump, leaving it and watching it clatter into off stump. This is more like 'Gee that iceberg looks awefully close, no worries though this ship is unsinkable... right?'

Smithy doesn't want to lose the Captains pay cheque, pretty sure he'll have a few less sponsors when this is done though.
Yep, the things Smith said were just bizarre - error of judgment, learning etc... he's just distraught they were caught... as you say, error of judgement is one thing, collectively deciding to cheat is something quite different
 

Timbo

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"old school values" was empty PR. There is nothing old school about open pre meditated conspiracy to cheat.

As well as the low act of cheating itself, how stupid do they have to be to think they'd get away with it when there are a million HD cameras looking at everything from every angle. It's like they thought they were in grade cricket with no crowd, no cameras, and some snoozing pensioner umpires.

Yep, I can't work that out either. There are 20 cameras in that ground, and 15 of them are always aiming at the ball.
 

Tommy Smith

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"old school values" was empty PR. There is nothing old school about open pre meditated conspiracy to cheat.

As well as the low act of cheating itself, how stupid do they have to be to think they'd get away with it when there are a million HD cameras looking at everything from every angle. It's like they thought they were in grade cricket with no crowd, no cameras, and some snoozing pensioner umpires.
I'm not sure what is more shocking...

The brazen, calculated nature of the cheating or that they thought they could get away with it.

FFS lads! The tape was yellow! It kind of stands out.

My nan could spot that going on from the members stand; let alone a dozen high def state of the art cameras that could zoom in on an ant taking a shit.

It just boggles the mind!
 

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words from our fearless leader


Sutherland launches tampering probe
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Cricket Australia will wait for an internal investigation to determine if captain Steve Smith or any of his teammates will receive additional sanctions for their actions during last night’s Test in Cape Town.

Cricket Australia's head of integrity Iain Roy and high performance manager Pat Howard will fly to South Africa to conduct the inquest, CA CEO James Sutherland said at a press conference today in Melbourne.

Sutherland said it’s a "sad day for Australian cricket”, but CA will not make any decisions "without all the facts" after Smith's stunning admission his side deliberately cheated by ball tampering.

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Rookie opener Cameron Bancroft was captured by television cameras with a piece of yellow tape with chunks of the pitch on the sticky side, used to rough up the ball in an attempt to generate reverse swing on day three in Cape Town.

"I was extremely disappointed and shocked to read the news this morning after events in Cape Town," Sutherland told a packed press conference.

"Australian cricket fans want to be proud of their cricket team and this morning they have every reason to wake up and not be proud of the team.

"It's a sad day for Australian cricket.

"One of the unique things about the game of cricket is that it's to be played not only within the laws of the game but also the spirit of the game.

"Activities on the field yesterday in Cape Town were neither within the laws of the game nor within the spirit of the game.

"For us at Cricket Australia that's extremely disappointing and more importantly, for Australian cricket fans, it's extremely disappointing."

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Sutherland made it clear no action will be taken by Cricket Australia with regard to the players involved until all information is collated.

"Unfortunately, that (Smith and Bancroft's admission) is not the end of it and can't be the end of it," he said.

"We have a responsibility to take this further and understand more about the issue.

"We will, over the next couple of days, get a deep understanding of what happened and why."

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subjectTimeline of tamper: Dark day for Australia
Bancroft was charged by match referee Andy Pycroft with a Level 2 offence of attempting to alter the condition of the ball. It is understood the Western Australian has accepted the sanction, with the penalty still unknown.

Smith said the team's as yet undefined "leadership group" devised the plan at the lunch interval without the knowledge of the coaching staff.

"I'm not naming names but the leadership group talked about it and 'Bangers' was around at the time," said Smith after play.

"We spoke about it and thought it was a possible way to get an advantage.

"Obviously, today was a big mistake on my behalf and on the leadership group's behalf as well.

"But I take responsibility as the captain, I need to take control of the ship, but this is certainly something I'm not proud of and something that I hope I can learn from and come back strong from.

"I am embarrassed to be sitting here talking about this.

"We're in the middle of such a great series and for something like this to overshadow the great cricket that's been played and not have a single cricket question (at this press conference), that's not what I'm about and not what the team's about.

"We'll move past this. It's a big error in judgement but we'll learn from it and move past it."

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/jam...ustralia-south-africa-test-captain/2018-03-25
 

KeepingTheFaith

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The more I think about it the weirder this is...

Smith should resign as captain, this clearly demonstrates he's not the right person, nor is anyone else involved in this decision (i.e., the leadership group)

But what puzzles me is WHY? Seriously you have such an outstanding pace attack, they don't ever let you down - they don't need the help aside from catching... it's just surreal and stupid beyond belied - in one move just undermined any of the moral high ground Australia might have had (or proved the rest of us right about the boorish hypocrisy) - sad day for Aust cricket

They were losing.

This series has been angry, spiteful, emotional and I think the combination of pressure, competition and animosity has clouded a lot of judgement on a moment of madness.

That's not excusing what they did at all. I'm just saying that when things get as heated as this series has and losing isn't an option the intelligent, logical and right thing can conveniently be forgotten in the moment.

This is crickets version of Mike Tyson biting Holyfield's ear off. It was a poor and stupid emotional reaction to losing in a high pressure environment.

Not the sort of quality you want in a captain/leader.
 
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They were losing.

This series has been angry, spiteful, emotional and I think the combination of pressure, competition and animosity has clouded a lot of judgement on a moment of madness.

That's not excusing what they did at all. I'm just saying that when things get as heated as this series has and losing isn't an option the intelligent, logical and right thing can conveniently be forgotten in the moment.

This is crickets version of Mike Tyson biting Holyfield's ear off. It was a poor and stupid emotional reaction to losing in a high pressure environment.

Not the sort of quality you want in a captain/leader.
The Saffas kept throwing headbutts and the ref did nothing then?
 

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when interviewed on Foxsports this morning and asked who is the leadership group Clarkie said when he was skipper is was captain, vice captain and coach, but admitted he did not know who was the current leadership group
 

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