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6. Mateo, 7. Keating, 13. Horo and Mortimer...

The Colonel

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Mateo actually had a crack against the Raiders for the most part and show some signs of life.


When he came on in the final ten yes he did. Shame he didn't have a crack earlier as we may have been in a better position..... watching blokes run through the line and not even chasing shouldn't be rewarded with a move to 5/8.

The fact of the matter is simple. Hayne is touching the ball TOO often and needs to back off a it and let the halves bring the ball to him.
 

Stagger eel

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The structure doesn't need to change much.

1. Hayne
6. Keating
7. Mortimer
9. Robson

Matt K. needs a stint in Wenty.

They also need to let the halves play. Too often Hayne is over ruling the halves and while yes he is our go-to man everyone else knows that and gets three or four players in on him and gets tackled out of the game.

Hayne needs to be used as a decoy as much as he needs the ball in his hands. Sterling hits the nail on the head when he says they rely on him too much.

Mortimer at halves allows Hayne and Keating to use their running gmes which is their strength.

I'll run with that one...
 

Stagger eel

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When he came on in the final ten yes he did. Shame he didn't have a crack earlier as we may have been in a better position..... watching blokes run through the line and not even chasing shouldn't be rewarded with a move to 5/8.

The fact of the matter is simple. Hayne is touching the ball TOO often and needs to back off a it and let the halves bring the ball to him.

you're exactly right, we don't appear to be backing each others ability at the moment and I had no dramas with him trying something in the final minutes to spark us up and narrow the score a bit.
 

hineyrulz

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MK was the big disappointment last night, when he came on I thought he'd add some spark but
he added zero.
 

Parra Steve

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With Hayne he's become our chief playmaker when he should be used for the odd piece of magic and as a support player it's up to kk morts and Mateo to take more on in attack
 

The Engineers Room

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KK was good and now I support him in the halves, I can admit that you were right. Robson at hooker was good but still more offloads and passing at the line is required when we did it we looked dangerous.
 

Twizzle

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my two bobs worth:

Hayne: not playing the team game, kicks for himself and not other players, wont back up and look for the hand off from the forwards (lazy), hopelessly out of position in defence, may need a stint on the wing

Robbo: looks good at no 9 and good defence, leave him there

KK: the only spark we had last night and some very good defence showing he can play at half and not need a big forward to back him up in defence a la Lockyer, kicking game needs work but he is our best half

Morts: obviously still underweight and not fit, need to persevere with him at 6, or maybe give Feleti a game at 6 and send Morts back to the farm to fatten up for a week

Mateo: looked a lot better at 6 where he can get his hands on the ball 2 seasons back, maybe worth another try as noting else is working for him other wise he's wasted.

Horro: maybe worth a bit more game time to develop him at lock, but no where near an 80 minute lock atm, worth persevering with.
 

parra pete

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I thought Hayne was one of the best against the Raiders. I gave him 2 points
At least things happen when he is involved. It appears he doesn't get points in the forum because of the 'expectations' on him. I think he is fantastic.
 

Stagger eel

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I thought Hayne was one of the best against the Raiders. I gave him 2 points
At least things happen when he is involved. It appears he doesn't get points in the forum because of the 'expectations' on him. I think he is fantastic.

he's definitely a class above the rest of our troops and you're probably right, we as punters..expect too much and his team mates look to him for answers.
 

Forty20

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I thought Hayne was one of the best against the Raiders. I gave him 2 points
At least things happen when he is involved. It appears he doesn't get points in the forum because of the 'expectations' on him. I think he is fantastic.

Ironically, out of mortimer, robson and k keating it is Hayne that looks like he has the most organisational skills. When he slips into first receiver he actually has his outside runners hitting the unders and overs lines.

If mortimer/keating started doing this it would be no joke how much improvement we would see. Offloads, half-breaks and breaks, faster play the balls and ultimately more points on the right side of the scoreboard. Running to the line with options will do wonders for our halves. If it means partnering mateo or smith with either half for the game then so be it.

As an aside, whenever Hayne runs an inside support line off keating or mortimer the defence swarms him. I reckon we should persist with this, instead using hayne as a decoy and turn it outside to a (hopefully) rampaging tahu or mateo.

Currently we are telegraphing when hayne will be chiming in a fullback's traditional role and other teams are lapping it up. We can use the fact that other teams are so focused on jarryd if we can wean ourselves off his brilliance.

I can't help but think that the origin period this year will be an important time for our halves to find their own games. Our team will be near full strength so they will have all the tools they need, except for hayne.

With all said and done, last night was a tremendous improvement and our pack showed they have the skill and determination to muscle up. I always prefer when parra play supposed premiership contenders as they tend to lift (whereas I always cringe when we get an extended run of 'lower tier' teams). Bring on the current flavour of the month in souths.
 

PJ Marshal

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Feleti was quite conservative with the offload attemps last night for his standards and when he has a go at the line generaly makes a dent in defence dragging about 3 defenders with him. For his limited game time i thought he proved more effective than he has all year. Guess ando maybe kept him off a little bit too long last night...

Its a shame you can rarely get a quick play the ball from him or you would punish teams hard...infact its a shame we cant get a quick play the ball at all these days, gone back to our old days of lazying in the ruck and not fighting to get up. Unless your joel reddy where you just swing elbows at heads haha.
 

Parra Guru

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I agree I'd rather see Hayne work on positional play and backing up for the offloads etc rather than being the main playmaker. He lets the ball bounce too often at the back IMO.
 

slammingsam

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I think one thing that needs to change is Mateo at 13. The Eels are suffering from what Souths suffered from when they had Sutton at 13. Mateo is not tough enough for the forwards nor does it suit his game..which brings down your team as a hole. Your better off having a worker/running forward there.

Mateo would be better off working on the edges as a 5/8 where he does not always have to run the ball. I also tend to think the Eels would be better off splitting the halves at this stage ( whoever they may be ) and taking pressure of them.

Mateo controls the left.
Mortimer the right.
Hayne is the link on either side.

I would have Robson and K Keating splitting the role at hooker.
There is no organiser at the moment - there is about 7 individualists trying to lead you guys around.
 

CrazyEel

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The structure doesn't need to change much.

1. Hayne
6. Keating
7. Mortimer
9. Robson

Matt K. needs a stint in Wenty.

They also need to let the halves play. Too often Hayne is over ruling the halves and while yes he is our go-to man everyone else knows that and gets three or four players in on him and gets tackled out of the game.

Hayne needs to be used as a decoy as much as he needs the ball in his hands. Sterling hits the nail on the head when he says they rely on him too much.

Mortimer at halves allows Hayne and Keating to use their running gmes which is their strength.
Yep, agree 100% with the structure, just needs a decent game plan to support it now.
 

^b0ss^

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hey guys i just thought i would mention that after watching the game i did notice last night that hayne missed 2 kicks for touch....and a awful play late in the game the raiders where in our 20-30 line and haynes assisted in a tackle, straight away i was thinking watch for the little kick in the line now that haynes is out of the play ...... you can clearly see haynes making no real effort to get back after the tackle and then the kick in behind the line try. game over. was only a very simple play that should of been defended.
 

Someone

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Mateo has no place at 6. He gets lazy and nods off. Id have KK at 6 because he seems to enjoy getting the ball alot and playmaking.
 

Parraren

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hey guys i just thought i would mention that after watching the game i did notice last night that hayne missed 2 kicks for touch....and a awful play late in the game the raiders where in our 20-30 line and haynes assisted in a tackle, straight away i was thinking watch for the little kick in the line now that haynes is out of the play ...... you can clearly see haynes making no real effort to get back after the tackle and then the kick in behind the line try. game over. was only a very simple play that should of been defended.

We missed one kick for touch and it was Mortimer
 

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