Adrian Peterson indicted on child abuse charges

[Big Mick]

completely agree
he over stepped the mark, no question about, no child should be disciplined in that manner, i think a big part of that is how he was raised himself, he is disciplining his child the same way he was disciplined. He's going to have to wear the consquences of that, via the law and maybe even being cut by the Vikings. But i dont think this should end his career

once the law has dealt with him, the league will impose what ever their punishment is, and i think that's that. If the Vikings cut him, they cut him, that's their call, if another team goes and picks him up, so be it, that's their call. I dont think he needs to be on a lengthy suspension or as you said, being rubbed out of the league

That being said, it's a new world in the NFL. I completely agree with the decisions not to play him. He's getting paid, so you arent taking his livelihood away, you're saying "The NFL, in this current climate, we can't take any more hits on stuff like this"

I think the league has handled this one quite well, as opposed with the Ray Rice

Agreed.

But it does scream of "Let's make it up as we go"

 

[nick87]

Oh they are definately making it up as they go. It's the worst part of this entire fiasco. The NFL is again being reactive to a situation when had they been proactive many moons ago when they should have been, they wouldnt be in this mess.

Like if the NFL had of drummed up an air tight domestic violence (and child abuse could come under that domestic abuse umbrella) the way they did with weed, these stories would be one day news cycles. Guy gets done, guy gets banned, talking heads discusss how the team will be impacted, everyone moves on... but they didnt, and so it's a months long story

Ill also say this... as brutal as those photos are. I dont think any less of AP, i think he is just a typical footballer, who was too dumb to really understand the way his father treated him 25 years ago, isn't really acceptable here and now. I dont think he really knew that before now. I think he's a good bloke, probably a good dad and husband, who just made an error because he genuinely didnt know better


Where as i think Ray Rice is a steaming piece of shit, whom i have no time for any longer

 

[Eddie Lab]

You know Hardy was convicted, don't you?
I mean i get that mentality if the situation was on going as it is with Ray McDonald, but Hardy was convicted. Police felt they had enough evidence to charge him, and a judge deemed that he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Im fine with him being deactivated there. He's appealling, as is his right, but right now he's guilty, if his appeal is successful, i would assume he'll be reinstated without prejudice. He's on the exempt list, so he's not missing game cheques either

In a trial de novo in North Carolina the ruling of the bench trial (or initial judge trial very similar to an arraignment) is completely discarded as soon as the accused appeals to their trial by jury.
So in the eyes of the courts right now he's innocent.

http://nccriminallaw.sog.unc.edu/?p=4288

If you?re being sentenced in other states, those states should not count a District Court conviction that has been appealed as a criminal conviction. It should be regarded as a nullity.

https://www.chetson.com/2012/10/trial-de-novo-and-federal-sentencing-in-north-carolina/

infact here is an article of a City Councilman who went through the exact same thing if you are interested.
http://obsdailyviews.blogspot.com.au/2014/09/harold-cogdell-i-know-why-greg-hardy.html

Hardy has been hard done by? If there was video of that....man that dude would be gone!

Hardy was CONVICTED....he's appealing the decision and wanting a jury trial.

There are photo's and witness testimony for that case that aren't very good from things I've read. If they were to get out....

as above he is still innocent. as soon as he appeals that court case is thrown out basically. the court system in NC is ass backwards and rorted so if you are poor(can't afford to appear) you are less likely to be able to fight your charges.

from what I've read he has a good shot of getting off;

Consider the following:
]Aside from the girl, the only witness attesting to her version of events is a neighbor in the building who admitted she saw nothing and only heard a lot of banging and screaming
.
The cop on the scene saw nothing and the girl avoided him entirely as she admitted she was carrying cocaine and was both inebriated and doped up at the time.

Hardy placed his own 911 call asking for a police response

Only days before, Hardy had maneuvered to have the girl's crap taken away form his house by tricking her into going to Miami

The friend who came with the girl testified on Hardy's behalf, specifying that the accuser told her that she wanted to get back at Hardy for kicking her out of his place

There's no actual physical evidence of an assault taking place. Bruises can be self-inflicted or caused by engaging in offensive fighting; aside from that, there's no eyewitnesses or video or pictures substantiating the claims in question.

The judge in this case is a renowned member of anti-domestic violence organizations, and she could not be trusted to be impartial as she specifically requested to adjudicate the case
The judge herself admitted the only reason she found Hardy guilty was because of the testimony of the neighbor who didn't see anything, saying that she had nothing to gain by her actions. SHE DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING.

What the girl accused Hardy of ranged from getting her arm stuck in a toilet lid to being thrown onto a bed of assault rifles to getting her arm broken to miraculously her arm is fine and it was really her shoulder that he broke to OK the shoulder's fine, I just have some bruises your honor. . .

this is all from a very bias Panther fan and I doubt he will ever suit up as a panther again. but I still think he is being sent down the river.

 

[shiznit]

I agree with most of the sentiments... But when you have billion dollar corporations sponsoring your franchise to the tune of millions and in the case of the league itself billions of dollars you need to protect the image of your entity and the image of these sponsors.

When Anheuser-Busch, Visa & McDonalds all publicly announce that they were concerned with what was happening... the 1.07billion dollars in sponsorship money the NFL received trumps the rights of these players.

And in Greg Hardys case... It doesn't matter what the trial law is in NC... He was found guilty... And until he succeeds with his conviction... To the general public he's going to be seen as guilty... And that's not good for sponsors.

 

[macavity]

I can't believe people are defending/excusing/"not his go-ing" AP.

Only a piece of shit whips their kid leaving bloody welts.

How would you feel if he did it to your kid because "he didn't know any better / that's how he was raised". After all, discipline from any nearby adult was very common not that long ago. You would want him dead.

No one would be defending him if he wasn't a football god.

 

[macavity]

Oh they are definately making it up as they go. It's the worst part of this entire fiasco. The NFL is again being reactive to a situation when had they been proactive many moons ago when they should have been, they wouldnt be in this mess.

Like if the NFL had of drummed up an air tight domestic violence (and child abuse could come under that domestic abuse umbrella) the way they did with weed, these stories would be one day news cycles. Guy gets done, guy gets banned, talking heads discusss how the team will be impacted, everyone moves on... but they didnt, and so it's a months long story

Ill also say this... as brutal as those photos are. I dont think any less of AP, i think he is just a typical footballer, who was too dumb to really understand the way his father treated him 25 years ago, isn't really acceptable here and now. I dont think he really knew that before now. I think he's a good bloke, probably a good dad and husband, who just made an error because he genuinely didnt know better


Where as i think Ray Rice is a steaming piece of shit, whom i have no time for any longer

AP sounds like husband of the year material.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/c...mitch-albom-adrian-peterson-vikings/15808613/

 

[Eddie Lab]

I can't believe people are defending/excusing/"not his go-ing" AP.

Only a piece of shit whips their kid leaving bloody welts.

How would you feel if he did it to your kid because "he didn't know any better / that's how he was raised". After all, discipline from any nearby adult was very common not that long ago. You would want him dead.

No one would be defending him if he wasn't a football god.

did you see Calvin Johnson and Reggie Bush's comments? some of these players are freaking dumb and need to shut the hell up. where are the media handlers telling these guys to "no comment" any question relating to AP or Discipline?

 

[Parra]

It was how he and others were brought up as kids and as far he and there's are concerned it's how you bring up kids today. Their would have been a time not that long ago that what Peterson did would be considered the norm and nothing wrong with it.

Probably. But it is now, not then. Assault & battery on the most vulnerable people in society is punished. A conviction is appropriate.

 

[nick87]

I can't believe people are defending/excusing/"not his go-ing" AP.

Only a piece of shit whips their kid leaving bloody welts.

How would you feel if he did it to your kid because "he didn't know any better / that's how he was raised". After all, discipline from any nearby adult was very common not that long ago. You would want him dead.

No one would be defending him if he wasn't a football god.

Its not defending or excusing it. It's simply saying the guy doesnt know better

He wouldnt lay a f**king hand on my child because he's my child, not his. Ridiculous comment. I can sit down and give my son a stern talking to (well i cant, he's 10 months old, but when he's of age) and that's fine, but if YOU tried that, id like tell you f**k off, even if it was justified. I didnt grow up in a world in which discipline from anyone other than my parents was deemed acceptable, there for it's not acceptable to me.

AP is an idiot, he'll face the consequences of his actions, if that's jail, it's jail. Im fine with that, but i think we need to make sure we distinguish the difference between a purposeful, vindictive child abuser, and that of an overly aggressive parent who doesnt know better

It doesnt excuse or defend his actions, he is, like all of us, a product of his upbringing. He should have known better, he didnt. He'll be dealt with accordingly

I dont have any reason to care about AP. I dont like the Vikings (no idea why :lol: ), i dont have AP in any FF league, they arent in the eagles division, they dont pose a threat to the eagles, basically they are irrelevant in the league. It's just, you can make a mistake, a big mistake, a really big and bad mistake, and not be a bad guy.

 

[nick87]

AP sounds like husband of the year material.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/c...mitch-albom-adrian-peterson-vikings/15808613/

in fairness, i said "probably" because frankly i dont know. I dont know the guy, for all i know he's a stinking POS the likes of Ray Rice. But i certainly have known good men, good husbands and good fathers who went OTT with discipline. It didnt make them bad guys. It just made them people who were ignorant of what is acceptable today.

 

[DC_fan]

Adrian Peterson ordered arrested

Prosecutors in Montgomery County, Texas, have filed paperwork to have Adrian Peterson's bail revoked and the running back re-arrested after the Minnesota Vikings running back told a court employee that he had recently smoked marijuana before taking a drug test Wednesday.


http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...nesota-vikings-ordered-arrested-pot-admission

 

[Cockadoodledoo]

I should probably give another thought to dropping him from my fantasy team lol..