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AFL 2006-Round 5

lockyno1

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meltiger said:
So what you are basically alluding to is that biased morons would like to ignore terrible performances bty their so called superstars at reserve grade l;evel; .....


Too old, can't play till he's 40........

24 touches..........


RRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICCCCCCCCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!



Go Richo, and Go Richmond, anyone who experienced the Southern Stand tonight for the half hour after the game would understand why we are without a doubt the best supporters in the league.

YELLOW AND BLACK!

Worrying this is that Richo is a lot more valuable than Powderpuff!:lol:
 

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Now, moving on from the Tiger peanut gallery, to offer some impartial discussion on last night's game...

1) Carlton were paying $251 for the flag and $2.50 for the spoon going into last night's clash and certainly won't have improved those odds any. I don't think its total doom and gloom for the side, but their skill level (or overall lack thereof) has to be of concern. In some ways they remind me of Hawthorn circa 2005, although they aren't carrying as many newbies, not toting as many injuries, and not incorporating the same key contingent of improving 21-24 year olds.

2) Marc Murphy still has it ahead of him, but he is showing strong cameo signs of why he was taken number 1 in the draft. He can certainly find targets and has the smarts, and that first quarter goal was a gem.

3) I only watched the first quarter and the Blues were well on top at that point (should have been about 8 goals ahead at the first break). As with all struggling sides they struggle to play out enough winning quarters however. Even though they were doing well in the opening term, their defence looked up against it and very vulnerable. Most damningly, the club fell just one short of equalling the recorded team clanger record of 29 for a match, which is a weakness that is going to take some time to fix.

4) Richmond were barely short of horrendous in the opening term, so they did well to recover and get the points. The side also returned 22 clangers for the match, exceeding the competition average by 8. The side runs pretty hard and doesn't shirk issues, but while it is capable of getting good midfield ball, the quality of disposal arising from their centre players can be very erratic, to say the least.

5) The above point would be the focal reasoning behind the devotion of high picks to players like Deledio, Tambling & Oakley-Nicholls. Deledio is a no-brainer and I expect Tambling to eventually reward the faith, but the Oakley-Nicholls decision is already looking worrying. The boy has talent, but the club commented after his recruitment that they were looking several years down the track with him. This is fine, but when you are also carrying pressing KPP concerns that will need several years to iron-out, you run with a player like Clarke when the chance arises. Hughes was a fab pick-up at 24, but had they punted on Clarke at 8 they will most likely still have got him with that pick. Pursuing things with Hughes is a good move, but nobody can tell me that having a player like young Clarke in ahead of Stafford wouldn't be doing more for the future Tiger structure than having Oakley-Nicholls slow-burning in the lower grades. Its true enough that the side also has a need for skilled outside mids, but they could have comfortably picked-up capable outside types (that can come on quicker than JON) across the 2006 & 2007 drafts.
 

camsmith

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meltiger said:
Go Richo, and Go Richmond, anyone who experienced the Southern Stand tonight for the half hour after the game would understand why we are without a doubt the best supporters in the league.

YELLOW AND BLACK!

Great WIN! very frustrating since we played ALLLLL over them, you just have to look at our inside 50's to know that (i heard most inside 50's of any team this year??) but we kept kicking it in the 50.. and it kept coming out. We gotta do something about that. i have no idea why Jackson was dropped.. he would have been handy up there.

I tried to get in the punt road end behind the goals but was too packed to i had to settle for the ponsford stand... but we tried to sit with some richmond supporters so it wasn't too bad.

Still couldn't believe some Carlton supporters, down by 15 points with atleast 5 minutes left and they started walking out... pfft. Pathetic.

We love the 'G! :D
 

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lockyno1 said:
F..k I knew it, should never have tipped the Dees!:(

Absolutely!

I mean, its not as if you actually want to call games correctly or anything! :p
 

lockyno1

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CyberKev said:
Absolutely!

I mean, its not as if you actually want to call games correctly or anything! :p

Meh...as long as I do well this round I am happy as it is a dman hard round to pick. Most games could go either way, except the WC one. You get this round right then it is blind luck more than anything!
 

meltiger

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Whatever Kev,

If the final score had been 20-12 to 18-11 no one would be talking about the skills in the match. EVERYONE from both teams had the yips and I just don't understand why.


Staff had a coupkle of shots at goal and missed ... As did everyone else. He also spent a good proportion of time in the ruck and also off the ground when Cleve was on. If he'd kicked the two set shots (Which he really should have) you wouldn't have cause to bag.


Good to see your man enough to leave the great man alone this week though.


Richo is still capable of running around the ground all night long better than any forward in the League bar 1 (Nick).
 

meltiger

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camsmith said:
i have no idea why Jackson was dropped.. he would have been handy up there.


Krak... After his performance on Friday night I expect to see Jacko back in the forward line on saturday night to take on the Scummers :evil: Unfortunately, I can see Cleve going back to Coburg for a few weeks which is frustrating because when he was on the ground, it left Richo able to actually play football instead of trying to avoid being molested by 3 defenders everytime the ball comes forward.


Also I must say I am highly impressed to check out todays FTA viewing and see the two games on are St Kilda/Freo and Hawthorn/Essendon with the latter being the most enticing.


No sign of the Skunks anywhere to be seen. :D The first fruits of McChins not being there ripening maybe?
 

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meltiger said:
If the final score had been 20-12 to 18-11 no one would be talking about the skills in the match. EVERYONE from both teams had the yips and I just don't understand why.

Clangers relate to general ground errors, Craig, which is what the talk was surrounding the game. Poor kicking at goal is extraneous to that.

meltiger said:
Staff had a coupkle of shots at goal and missed ... As did everyone else. He also spent a good proportion of time in the ruck and also off the ground when Cleve was on. If he'd kicked the two set shots (Which he really should have) you wouldn't have cause to bag.

He only had 2 kicks for the whole game, so if he had nailed both of them he would've been pushing for the old Cooadbeen Champion HFF Brownlow votes.

If Richmond wants to play Stafford on their bench as back-up ruck and forward support for the season, then fine. It would be obscene to be playing him up forward ahead of the likes of Hughes, however, who could comfortably match (most likely exceed) Staff's output whilst getting the oportunity to develop.

meltiger said:
Good to see your man enough to leave the great man alone this week though.


Richo is still capable of running around the ground all night long better than any forward in the League bar 1 (Nick).

He was good on the night, but in many games this season will struggle. As the season lengthens the aches, pains and niggles will become more debilitating, and Richo is well and truly the wrong side of 30.

Of greater concern for Richmond is that once again he had to carry them single-handedly to victory, despite Richmond getting a welter of inside-50 ball and the team playing against a very frail defence.

Carlton are struggling, but comfortably beat Richmond sans Richo last season and would have done so again were he not there on Friday night. A fit Brown will certainly improve matters, but Staff offers little and Pettifer only seems to get goals against Hawthorn. This is why the club erred badly in passing over Clarke with pick 8 last year, and is more reason for them to persist with Hughes in the top flight.
 

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Only hours out from the annual Hawthorn vs Essendon grudge match...

The latest news is that the 'Egg Man' may be a late change to the Hawk squad, given that he didn't line-up with Box Hill yesterday.

I have a sinking feeling that he may be coming in for Crawf.

Dear God, please let it be either Tim Clark or Ben Dixon...
 

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meltiger said:
Richo is still capable of running around the ground all night long better than any forward in the League bar 1 (Nick).

And Barry Hall.
 

meltiger

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CyberKev said:
Carlton are struggling, but comfortably beat Richmond sans Richo last season and would have done so again were he not there on Friday night.

They certainly would have.

Just out of interest though, how would St Kilda, West Coast, or even dare In say it Hawthorn match up on Waite, Fevola and Whitnall all in the 1 forward line with 3 of their top 4 backmen out?


Not too well I wouldn't think ... We've now won two games without a backline. We're travelling ok.

All excepting the R1 disgrace and the third quarter against the Eagles, we've not actually been as bad as many would like to make out ...
 

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meltiger said:
How bad is he injured?

Not too badly, but he did miss the last training session during the week with unspecified soreness.

It could, of course, just be that Boyle was pulled from yesterday's match because he wasn't quite right, but this would be odd, given that the club played him in the Box Hill seconds on Tuesday to get extra match play THEN named him as part of an extended Hawthorn bench.
 

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meltiger said:
Whatever. We have ruckmen ... Clarke is yet to prove anything.

But Clarke is a key forward prospect, not a ruckman.

He is an 18 year old with a very strong junior record, massive potential, and he has already been impressing. he's the sort of tall, strong marking key forward type that would be a godsent to a club like the Tigers.

Even as a raw 18 year old he would offer more up forward than Staff, and given how Miller waxed lyrical about him early last season, I'm still flabbergasted that his name wasn't called out loudly at pick 8.
 

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meltiger said:
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Just out of interest though, how would St Kilda, West Coast, or even dare In say it Hawthorn match up on Waite, Fevola and Whitnall all in the 1 forward line with 3 of their top 4 backmen out?

This is fair comment, although all 3 Carlton players mentioned actually exceeded their average performances on Friday night:

LANCE WHITNALL: 22 disposals (avge 14); 12 marks (avge 5); 1 goal (avge 1.5)

BRENDAN FEVOLA: 15 disposals (avge 10); 10 marks (avge 5); 2 goals (avge 2)

JARRAD WAITE: 14 disposals (avge 12); 7 marks (avge 4); 3 goals (avge 1)

On the strength of this, and in the knowledge that skills across the night were awful, its safe to assume that the 3 players were restricted as much by the quality of ball delivery and their own inept ball usage, as they were by the weakened Tiger defence on the night.

I'd also suspect that if you took Fevola out of the game then Waite would step up and would also receive more ball to work with courtesy of Fev's absence.

With Richmond, Richo is more dangerous than any of those three, but if he's not there, who steps up to pick up the slack?

Therein lies the problem.
 

meltiger

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CyberKev said:
With Richmond, Richo is more dangerous than any of those three, but if he's not there, who steps up to pick up the slack?

Therein lies the problem.

Going forward? Hughes and I would suspect whoever the KPP prospect is at the end of this year.

Some clubs may have seen their KPP as their biggest problem, with Richmond our midfield was as big a problem. I've always said, it's no good having good KPP's if you can't get the ball to them.

We could have drafted all of Roughead, Franklin, Clarke etc.

But what use would they be if the midfield is getting killed consistently? - We've had a bloke in our forward line for 14 years who would have kicked 1000 goals had he played at North, Essendon or Brisbane instead of Richmond... His goal per game percentage is as good as Lloyd and Carey, imagine how good he would have been in a competitive side.

I do stand by my statement that it is no suprise to see the Carlton forward line be successful against given we realistically don't have a backline atm. Gas should hopefully be back this week and then Schulz a few after that.

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We don't need half/half forwards, we need true forwards - Which is why Cleve is such a good signing.
 

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