Agenda's Thread

[Big Pete]

For those of you who have been visiting these boards over the past few weeks maybe aware of we are a very opinionated lot here on the Front Row Forum. We seem to be very passionate people who hate to give an inch and will generally settle for nothing less than a mile. However I for one love seeing so many different opinions. It makes us a community as opposed to puppets all attatched to the same old line. So I thought I'd use this thread to gather some opinions on a number of topics. Reveal what they find good and bad about certain brands and promotions in an effort to generate discussion and spark the inner critic inside us all.

I'll start with one topic.

What is your opinion of Monday Night Raw and it's superstars?

 

[Big Pete]

I'll start with my opinion on the show...

First and for most, I don't enjoy the entire guest host structure the show is privvy too. I couldn't care less about the Bellas, Santino is becoming more of a pest and generally the guest hosts couldn't give two s**ts. At first it was a decent idea especially to get some cross promotion going but they've over-saturated it by having far too many stars on each and every week when personally if I was to go through with the idea I'd make it every month, tops and I'd build to that show each week leading up to it, making it some what of a PPV quality show.

My favourite guest host? Jesse Ventura. Worst guest host? Verne Troyer...or John Heder, that promo with The Miz was so lame, it didn't belong in wrestling.

Now thoughts on the roster starting with the champions.

Sheamus - Won the title too early but I quite like the guy. He seems very solid in the ring, his offence packs a wallop. He's got an odd look and he isn't anything to brag about on the mic. but I certainly think there's potential there.

With saying, really the only reason the E gave him the title was because they booked themselves into a corner. You can't have your face champion call this guy a nobody without any backlash. Either the guy eats his words, or the guy you've been building for 6 months is left to look like a chump.

The Miz - Good if not great on the mic and he's grown very solid in the ring. Still isn't at a main event level yet but the more he develops the better he'll be and who knows? Maybe one day he can headline a PPV.

The MizShow - I like this tag team. Again, The Miz could use a guy like the Show in his corner and it keeps the Show looking credible after years of being treated like a joke.

Other factors of the roster...

John Cena - Is THE face of WWE right now. Can do it all and finally the fans are going to be treated to a proper Cena/Batista feud.

Degeneration X - Both guys have their moments (one end of the spectrum and the other) but this team serves no purpose to the E except for allowing both wrestlers to keep their spot. They're wasted as faces and honestly hated their run ever since they dominated Raw broadcasts with their bland brand of out-dated humour. I am interested to see them feud though, especially given the latest direction.

Legacy - Orton is good despite being completely buried last year. Unsure about either Dibiase Jr. or Rhodes. It doesn't help either is playing the role of lackey, nor does it help me that I missed their series of matches with DX which were meant to be very productive for the tag team. Either way I can't wait until this group dissolves and all three men can move onto bigger and better things.

Mid-Card: Is tragically under-used but what else do you expect? Did I miss MVP this week? Where is he? The man was finally having a meaningful feud after his forgettable two years in the wilderness.

Swagger is wasted on a show like Raw. Guerrero, Bourne, Primo and Carlito belong somewhere else where they can exhibit their high flying style.

Henry is another guy who's role has been diminished some what. A huge shame too given how much he improved in 2008.

Masters is also wasted doing boobie dances, the man should be main eventing with Christian in ECW.

The only mid-card wrestler who's doing well at the moment is Kofi Kingston who's shown that when given the chance, the mid-card can step up. His feud with Orton was solid and if he can continue his run I believe he could be a future PPV main eventer. Most likely on Smackdown.

Diva's? Couldn't care less at this stage. Maryse is my favourite with that said.

Cole is average and basically seems to be reading from a script half the time. King has been phoning it in for years and he's as boring as they come.

The return of Hart has been solid so far. It's not really must see television (although it did rewrite history) but it's certainly a welcome part.

 

[jc155776]

TBH I like Smackdown a hell of a lot more then Raw.

Cena is going great, full package at the moment.

Miz weak on the mic? Have to disagree, he is the most interesting out of them all and has the crowd biting at everything he says. Good in the ring as well.

Kingston has gotten a bit quiet lately, after his mauling of Orton at the start of the year I thought they were going to turn him into one mean mother farker. Dropped the ball a little.

HBK losing the plot is awesome if you ask me, HHH is boring as is the whole Degen X gimmick.

Hornswaggle needs to f**k off.

Evan Bourne is wasted, bring back a cruiser weight title!!

 

[d3@t3h]

RAW
Sheamus: playing the so called undeserving champion who keeps the title by DQ was probably the best move in along while making him the most over heel on raw today hated by smarks and marks alike
after his title reign Ocan see him running rampant over random superstars

Orton: was supposed to be the chosen one, this gens version of Austin but that failed and yet they still persist on trying to make him face or are they I don't think the OMGZBBQWRITERDONKEYS know they are doing (ie vs Sheamus= Face, vs Dibases=Heel, vs Rhodes= Face)

ted after a fued with the neo legacy I dont think they know what to do with him afterwards

ted's brother to be the legacy member until Rhodes splits then on his own

The Ammerican Nightmare (MK2) Cody Rhodes will be the breakout heel

Superwigger is okay as long he is not doing the same thing week in, week out and out of the title picture for a bit

Swagger : TNA awaits

Divas: Fail

Guests hosts: need to be more culturally relevant for example when coco/leno thing was going on would it be so hard to get coco also why wernt the superbowl captains co-hosts during the bye week then agin the last time the wwe did something pop-culture relevant was rosie/trump

 

[Misanthrope]

Aside from the fact Raw (and to a lesser extent, Smackdown) have become pretty predictable in terms of who will feature and what will happen, I do enjoy the guest host concept (if only for comedic value) and a few of the feuds going on.

I've always been a John Cena fan, although it goes without saying that his gimmick needed freshening up. Hopefully being involved with the McMahon/Hart feud will do that, but I do think a heel run would be colossal and go a long way toward cementing him as an all time great. The greats need to be able to swing both ways IMO.

I love Randy Orton, but the WWE clearly don't know what to do with him whenever they make him champion. He goes from an utter bad-ass to a mewling little bitch. I'm not sure how I feel about the current Legacy storyline. I do like the idea of elevating Rhodes or DiBiase, but it's also keeping the brand's top wrestling heel out of the main event.

I am tired of DX as a concept, and was about four years ago. Two forty something guys acting like twenty something guys is a bit tired, even with two excellent performers involved. Adding Hornswoggle didn't do much to improve matters. I am loving the HBK/HHH storyline, though. It's a feud I'm looking forward to seeing.

Sheamus is a terrible champion. Even after a decent amount of time with the title and a feud victory over Cena, nobody cares. There are mid-card heels getting more intense reactions than he does. Good worker and one with a future, but he isn't ready to be carrying the brand. It pays to be friends with Triple H, though.

Midcard is a bit of a dud. Lots of talent and no use. Contrary to Pete's argument, I think MVP and Miz's 'feud' was a terrible, drawn out string of nothing matches and nothing run ins. A feud needs to be more than just a string of matches between two guys. And did it even get a blow-off? Miz has moved onto being a tag champion, so now I guess we'll see more of the MVP/Mark Henry team as the feud with no purpose continues.

I am also tired of Mr. McMahon using TV time to elevate himself, like he needs it. Is there a single fan of wrestling who buys for a minute that Mr. McMahon could beat up Bret Hart? At least they've brought in Batista to make it plausible - because Vince beating up wrestlers is about as plausible as Vince having affairs with Divas.

 

[Jono078]

I'm not too fussed about it's current state.

But I really want the mid card and Intercontinental title to mean something again.

There is a lack of depth within the maineventers, if they can build the mid card up and have big feuds there with Masters, McIntyre, Punk etc etc it would make it that much better.

 

[Ridders]

I've always been a John Cena fan, although it goes without saying that his gimmick needed freshening up. Hopefully being involved with the McMahon/Hart feud will do that, but I do think a heel run would be colossal and go a long way toward cementing him as an all time great. The greats need to be able to swing both ways IMO.

Cena's proven in the past that he can play a good heel. Would be interested to see how he'd go in the gig now given the fact that he's been a face for sooooo long.

 

[jc155776]

There is a lack of depth within the maineventers, if they can build the mid card up and have big feuds there with Masters, McIntyre, Punk etc etc it would make it that much better.

He is not a midcarder.

He is Smackdown.

 

[Misanthrope]

Cena's proven in the past that he can play a good heel. Would be interested to see how he'd go in the gig now given the fact that he's been a face for sooooo long.

There's a vast difference between being a good midcard heel and being a good main event heel.

 

[Jono078]

He is not a midcarder.

He is Smackdown.

Ok fair enough if he is being used as that superstar. But I havnt even noticed him besides for the Royal Rumble..

I'll add a bit more as well.

I f**king hate DX, didn't even like it when they re-joined.

Sick of the same guys holding the big titles. When someone like a Jericho wins it, I want to see him have it more than 1 month, while facing multiple contenders.

Undertaker is a bit meh now too, not just in ring, but how does every f**king promo between him and the contender go?

Contender: I'm not scared of you Undertaker
*Thunder and Lightning*
Undertaker: Brrrr I am Undertaker I will kill you etc

Needs a bit of freshening up, which doesn't include Batista or Cena near the title, they need to find something else like they've done with HHH to keep them away from that scene for a bit.

And that's the thing with building the mid carders up as more sub main eventers. So the guys who fall out of the title race also have something big to fall down to and not just get lost for a month til they get a title shot again.

There's just a small rotation going around in the main event scene right now.

 

[Marshall_magic]

Raw
Guest hosts: Most of them suck. The only groups that have done well are former wrestlers (Ventura, Rhodes, DiBiase, Hart and Sgt Slaughter were good) and boxers (Tyson was good as were Mayweather and Hatton, mainly because they all have bucketloads of charisma, and can be taken seriously as a fighter). A few of the athletes have done alright (Ben Roethlisberger was ok). Musicians and actors are terrible though. For the recrod, we have some potential shockers coming up (Jewell...what the f**k!?!). Hopefully they do away with the concept soon, if I see another Seth Green vs Randy Orton or John Heder vs Hornswoggle I'll spew.

Sheamus: Still very green, I don't want him headlining wrestlemania, but he has done an alright job as champion. Gets a lot of heat, although he'll probably be remembered for being the butt of all jokes (evil Ronald McDonald). I like his moveset, but his mic skills have plenty of room for improvement, fine though, he hasn't even been in the top flight for a year.

Cena: I'm a huge Cena fan. So far in 2010 he's been on a huge roll. He's getting more intense with his character, and I see a long (1-2 years) fued with McMahon coming up, where Vince constantly tries to screw him out of the title. He's dropped the Super Cena gimmick which saw him universely hated.

DX: Loving the tension between the 2 of them. We'll probably see a huge match at mania, with hopefully Shawn Michaels turning heel. From just before the rumble I thought that the Michaels/Taker thing was a swerve, and it's been a great storyline with Shawn. Whenever I see Hornswoggle I want to leap through the TV and strangle him. The crowds even hate him.

Orton/Legacy: Again I like the tension here. I think Ted will turn face, which should be interesting, as he'll be left to fend for himself for the first time in the E. He won the tag titles with Cody on debut and since then has always been in some form of faction.

Miz: The heat magnet, love his stuff. His promos are the best on Raw. I was wrong here, when I said he'd struggle on Raw without J Mo, who I thought carried him. Turns out Morrison has no mic skills while the Miz has great mic skills and covered up for Morrison's lack there of. I see a reunion a bit later down the track with the 2 of them, since they did all they could to get over as a tag team, they split up, and as singles guys got even more over, get them back together they'd be a super tag team like jerishow.

Big Show: I don't mind his stuff. Love his knockout punch, looks brutal. They found his niche in tag team wrestling with cocky heels. He's like the bodyguard for them.

Kofi: Really improved in the past 3-6 months. I can't see him holding the big title on Raw though, will probably go to SD in the draft this year.

MVP: Send him back to SD and turn him heel again. He spent 2 years there building up massive heat and they throw it all away turning him into a vanilla face and sending him to the giant hedge maze that is the Raw midcard

Swagger: I like him, but the WWE do not, I can't believe they gave his push to the dancing manboobs.

Masters: Woeful, all he does in the ring is look for the masterlock.

Carlito/Chavo/Bourne/Primo: Just go to TNA guys.

 

[Misanthrope]

Carlito/Chavo/Bourne/Primo: Just go to TNA guys.

They'd do well to pick up Bourne. The others aren't worth it.

 

[Manurewa_Marlins]

I think Carlito and Primo could have some fun in TNA as a tag team.

Sydal would be a very very veeeery good pick up though.

Shelton would be the ultimate.

 

[Misanthrope]

Another uber talented worker who can't talk? :lol:

 

[Big Pete]

Would fit in with TNA.

 

[PJ Marshal]

The Miz is awesome haha

I think he has alot of potential, very charismatic and makes a great heel. Reminds me of a young jericho back in his wcw days!

 

[Marshall_magic]

Shelton has been a singles competitor for the best part of 6 years now. Every year he gets some form of push but he doesn't respond. I think the WWE are about to put a line through his name for further pushes. He's been on his own for ages and still can't cut a decent promo.

 

[Midnight Rabbit]

HHH: Can't stand him and everything he does, just wish he would take time off.

Big show: I enjoy watching what he does, him and miz is a good mix. Can someone who knows wrestling tell me why they refuse to give him the main title? i cannot understand it.

The Miz: haha he truley is awesome, he gets so much hate i love it. He's turning out to be a handy wrestler too.

Mvp: Boring, Boring ,boring. Everything he does seems a step behind.

Shelton: Biggest waste of talent, he can do it all bar mic work. Bloody hell he's good to watch in ring though!

Jericho: Never get tired of watching him but i want to see him actually allowed to beat a top star for once!

Sheamus: I really like the bloke, he's got a good array of moves, mic work isn't horrible and has a different look. Hope they don't screw him up.

Blokes like Mcintyre, primo, jmo kind of bore me. Not seeing whats so good about Drew tbh but that may change.

Taker: God i'm sick of the 5 minute ring entrance blah blah deadman crap.

Cena: has grown on me over the years. he gets bagged for his wrestling but i don't mind it, least he's not a r-truth level wrestler god how can he have no holds at all.

Orton: what can i say he does evil so well.

Debiase: i think he's a future main eventer, you can just see the potential there, seems to have it all unlike cody.

 

[DB]

What I'm likeing at the moment.....

I have always been a Punk fan, but he has made me like him the most in the wwe. His current 'saviour' story line is brilliant, and he plays the character so well.

I am hoping for a HBK heel turn soon. HBK plays such a good heel, that I think it would work very well in the current climate. Plus we are due for it.

The Miz is awesome.... enough said.

Thats about it atm.

 

[Marshall_magic]

I think Punk needs more in his society. Could be a chance to debut Danielson. I hear Mercury is retiring, we all know why he retired before, Punk could save him in his second coming and stop him going down the same road.