Alan Jones on Easts 1975 GF Score

[forward pass]

Yeah I know that we shouldnt change it, but would any of the grand final winners have been different had there been 4 point tries?

I can't recall any that close. What would be interesting is how many premiers would not have made the GF with 4 point tries as semis tend to be closer than GFs.

Not really worth worrying about though....

 

[Jimmy]

Every team has been beaten by huge margins but it is unusual in a Grand Final. In most cases the game matches the 2 best teams in the comp and the 75 and 08 margins are extraordinary. It has been 33 years since 1975 and it is probable it will be many years before there is a repeat. No one can say St. George and Melbourne were anything but good teams who had a bad day.

 

[Sans Souci Sainter]

Why would anyone care about what this old, Rugby nice person says.

He is clearly suffering from sperm poisoning.

"Bwuurghhh!!""

 

[Jimmy]

Why would anyone care about what this old, Rugby nice person says.

He is clearly suffering from sperm poisoning.

"Bwuurghhh!!""

I should have mentioned in my original posting that Alan Jones did not initiate the subject but was responding to one of his listeners. Manly's big score was always going to be compared with the 1975 score with only 2 points difference.

 

[SaveTheChildren]

I wonder if he thought this up in the George Michael memorial London bog?

Keep em coming EA!

 

[Southernsaint]

Why would anyone care about what this old, Rugby nice person says.

He is clearly suffering from sperm poisoning.

"Bwuurghhh!!""

As Get This' Tony Martin says, there's not too much difference betwen the warbling of Alan Jones and John Michael Howson...

 

[melon....]

Yeah, it could be worse.

We only have the 15 Premierships, 11 of which are consecutive, to ease the pain...

Not like when Easts, Balmain and Souths were nicking "titles" off the back of a truck with the first-past-the-post system.

Saints won 11 in a row on the back of A). Unlimited Tackles and B) An unlimited chequebook that bought all the talent from the bush and Raper from Newtown. You only have to read Norm Provin to see how Saints baught that era. Easts tried in the 80s/90s but couldnt master buying comps like St.George did.

Or do you think Raper is one of your own?

 

[Southernsaint]

Saints won 11 in a row on the back of A). Unlimited Tackles and B) An unlimited chequebook that bought all the talent from the bush and Raper from Newtown. You only have to read Norm Provin to see how Saints baught that era. Easts tried in the 80s/90s but couldnt master buying comps like St.George did.

Or do you think Raper is one of your own?

It must burn you that during our greatest era of eleven Premierships in a row, Easts became the only team to ever go through a whole season without winning a game.

LOL...

 

[mightybears]

It must burn you that during our greatest era of eleven Premierships in a row, Easts became the only team to ever go through a whole season without winning a game.LOL...

Pre WWII Annandale and University also 'achieved' it, less matches played, Souths in 1946 [14 matches?] the last first grade team before Easts to do it. The norths supporter in me would like to point out that Manly reserve grade did it less than 20 years ago!

And cosidering the conditions, rules and equipment [esp the ball used], Norths flogging Glebe 35-3 [1922 GF] was a bigger 'win' that Easts or Manly.

 

[Sans Souci Sainter]

Pre WWII Annandale and University also 'achieved' it, less matches played, Souths in 1946 [14 matches?] the last first grade team before Easts to do it. The norths supporter in me would like to point out that Manly reserve grade did it less than 20 years ago!

And cosidering the conditions, rules and equipment [esp the ball used], Norths flogging Glebe 35-3 [1922 GF] was a bigger 'win' that Easts or Manly.

Wow! It looks like you found something else to do instead of watching your team play in the top league.

Just joking. I loved the Bears and spent early years in Crows Nest when Fairleigh and the Bears were good.

I think most people still hold a flame for Norths, it's not like they stood on too many toes with all their Premeirships.

Ahh well, you keep going with those stats mate.

We're all hating Manly for you too, champion.

 

[mightybears]

thanks SSS

 

[Brycey]

Yeah I know that we shouldnt change it, but would any of the grand final winners have been different had there been 4 point tries?

That would be interesting to know too!

Anyone bothered enough to work it out?

 

[gregstar]

what's the point?

if the values of tries were different, the tactics would have changed.

instead of eric simms kicking for goal every 3 minutes, souths would have kicked for touch.

instead of billy smith kicking 2 point field goals, he would have probably passed the ball.

 

[*Paul*]

Yeah I know that we shouldnt change it, but would any of the grand final winners have been different had there been 4 point tries?

Oneish. Balmain beat St George 13-12 in 1946 scoring three tries to four, so would've been a drawn. Retrospectively applying golden point, toss a coin (which is more or less the same as what happens now...)

Only two other deciders had the loser scoring more tries, 1911 Glebe scoring 2 to Easts' one, and 1976, Parramatta 2-1. Both of those were decided by three pts.

 

[Sans Souci Sainter]

"Fresh gerbil, please!"

Buwwurgh....
http://images.google.com.au/imgres?...images?q=alan+jones&gbv=2&hl=en&safe=off&sa=Ghttp://images.google.com.au/imgres?...john+michael+howson&gbv=2&hl=en&safe=off&sa=G

 

[OVP]

These never get old :lol:

http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/hack/jones/

 

[Willow]

Imagine how the 91 points we tipped on Canterbury in the '30s would look now, then.

91-6 turns into 110-6. lol

Canterbury kicked three goals, Saints scores 19 tries and 17 goals.

But for the general discussion, I think this is one area that both historians and statisticians can agree on. While its always fun to do the math and discuss it, the fact remains that this was the scoring method of the day.

It's the same as any rules that influenced the way how the actual match on game day was played, and at full time that was the score recorded.

As *Paul* pointed out, there are premiership deciders which would have different results under modern scoring. If Alan Jones' sense of 'logic' is to be taken for real, then St George should be awarded the 1946 premiership. Of course it doesn't work that way.
(Btw Paul, 1946 was a controversial decider. I'm of the view that referee George Bishop was the same George Bishop that was at the centre of the Earl Park riot in 1928).

The same applies to the 1975/2008 example. Except in this case, there were 8 tries scored in each grand final.

Only a union hack like Jones could think that the 'rugby' played in the NRL is about kicking goals.

was it also unlimited tackles then with no replacements? different era -different game

Which backs up my point entirely.

Saints won 11 in a row on the back of A). Unlimited Tackles

You see, some guys just want it both ways. lol

 

[Brycey]

Its all elementary now. History books rightfully say Manly has the biggest winning margin. You have to play with the cards you're dealt with at the time, not 5 hands later.

 

[marshall stalin]

Having watched the 1975 grand final on dvd plus other matches played by that Roosters team. Both the so called 2008 grand Finalist would have been well beaten by that 1975 Roosters side for sure and certain

This wasn;t a rare occurence of this tactic for this 1975 Roosters side- but in one game i watched the other team kicks of the long haired roosters fullback fairfax catches it near his line runs the ball back and then chips over the top of the oncoming defence and then re-gathers the ball and then throws a rugby type pass which goes more than half way across the other side of the field straight on to the chest of the big roosters winger mullins i think his name is who then runs 70 metres to score in the corner. And that Beetson was he an octypus??? - he sure could off load the ball no matter how many were tackling him. no forward today would even compare to beetsons shoelaces.

bring this type of footy back and get rid of the dominate the ruck wrestlemania rubbish.

it would be like comparing your cricketers such as waugh/ponting to bradman - sure they have scored more runs etc but they are not even in the same book as bradman.