Alex McKinnon possibly Quadriplegic - Mclean guilty of dangerous throw - 7 weeks

[cleary89]

Ps I'd say the $1.1 million is pretty much gone. He'd have a house (asset) and renovated it for his lifestyle, bought a special vehicle, and have mounting medical and rehab bills. Anything that is left over is already spent, if you know what I mean.

Id highly doubt it. House renovations for a wheel chair would be big but not huge (50-100 max). A special vehicle (its not like hes getting a bently) and his medical and rehab would be covered by insurance. Pretty sure the nrl had insurance, just with like a 300k limit or something and now its at 1m.

1.1m in a trust fund would accrue a shit load of interest/dividends.

Throw in a yearly rise for alex round, a job for life, you cant fault the general public for losing some of the good will when he then turns around and sues.

You cant fault the kid for exploring every possible avenue as any decent person would, but if he does sue then i wouldnt care in the slightest if rise for alex round and a job for life dissapeared.

Check all the comments on facebook on every article about it, public opinion will turn on him if he does sue the nrl over it.

 

[ByronTitan]

I'm not lecturing you about being insensitive.

I'm lecturing you about being so f**king stupid that you didn't even realise you said something insensitive you moron.

:lol:

 

[ByronTitan]

no

Wrong. The NDIS is absolutely for this type of event. Alex can look forward to targetted, individual assistance for the rest of his life under this scheme.

 

[ByronTitan]

Yeh that's not going to fly.

What I really want to know, is why do people want to twist themselves in knots to come up with reasons why a disabled person shouldn't explore every avenue to make their life better??

That's easy. Because, irrational as it may sound, footy fans feel an ownership of the game. If you appear to attack the game many fans feel it personally.

 

[GreenMachine121]

Id highly doubt it. House renovations for a wheel chair would be big but not huge (50-100 max). A special vehicle (its not like hes getting a bently) and his medical and rehab would be covered by insurance. Pretty sure the nrl had insurance, just with like a 300k limit or something and now its at 1m.

1.1m in a trust fund would accrue a shit load of interest/dividends.

Throw in a yearly rise for alex round, a job for life, you cant fault the general public for losing some of the good will when he then turns around and sues.

You cant fault the kid for exploring every possible avenue as any decent person would, but if he does sue then i wouldnt care in the slightest if rise for alex round and a job for life dissapeared.

Check all the comments on facebook on every article about it, public opinion will turn on him if he does sue the nrl over it.

Exactly this.

Regardless of what was promised by the Nrl , once the legal process begins all bets are off.
In saying that , the NRL should make a statement regarding what it intends to do for Alex and if he still wants to sue then I guess he takes his chances.
Obviously the NRl need to be proactive regarding the current situation and lay their cards on the table before this becomes an unwinnable situation on both sides.

 

[El Diablo]

Wrong. The NDIS is absolutely for this type of event. Alex can look forward to targetted, individual assistance for the rest of his life under this scheme.

according to those that work in spinal units the NDIS is a joke

 

[TheFrog]

How where either of the parties negligent?

Did the NRL, as the governing body of the competition and the employer of the referees who police the game's rules, being aware that this kind of tackle can lead to injury, do all that is reasonably practicable under the circumstances to ensure that incidents of the kind that caused this injury do not occur in the game?

It will be up to a court to determine the answer to this. I don't know. However, this sort of tackle seems to be happening more than ever, even now.

 

[Canard]

Id highly doubt it. House renovations for a wheel chair would be big but not huge (50-100 max). A special vehicle (its not like hes getting a bently) and his medical and rehab would be covered by insurance. Pretty sure the nrl had insurance, just with like a 300k limit or something and now its at 1m.



Throw in a yearly rise for alex round, a job for life, you cant fault the general public for losing some of the good will when he then turns around and

Check all the comments on facebook on every article about it, public opinion will turn on him if he does sue the nrl over it.

Facebook is full of idiots.

Those figures are grossly under estimated. And don't take into account medical care.


Those people not wanting a disabled person to have every opportunity are pretty heartless.

That's easy. Because, irrational as it may sound, footy fans feel an ownership of the game. If you appear to attack the game many fans feel it personally.

Like this guy.

 

[Ulysseus]

I think he is within his rights to sue.
I don't want to start a shitfight again but honestly the storm had been using grubby tactics for near a decade and the fact it happened against them came as no surprise to me.

This reminds me of a time a gent I worked with died, motorcycle accident.
Yes there was initially donations and all that, the company he worked for chipping in, paying for funerals, travel etc for the family.
Fast forward 6 months - what is there?
Nothing.
Donations stop, the company eventually moves on as after all it didn't happen at work and people not directly involved put it to the back of their lives.
After the mourning and the wake your support dries up.
It is a similar case for Alex, apart from a few media spots here and there what about John Farragher (spelling?), hell no one gave a living shit about Simon Dwyer until the Alex thing blew up in the media and it turned out that no certainty had been placed on his income despite potentially being left with a limp arm for life.
Litigate away I say, there may not be many more pay days and you never know when people are going to stop giving a shit.

 

[Ulysseus]

Did the NRL, as the governing body of the competition and the employer of the referees who police the game's rules, being aware that this kind of tackle can lead to injury, do all that is reasonably practicable under the circumstances to ensure that incidents of the kind that caused this injury do not occur in the game?

Absolutely not.
A few edicts, a few short courses and a few announcements DO NOT constitute removing all potential.
Lets go through the hierarchy of control:

Elimination = well they sure as hell didn't do that
Substitution = suggested alternatives, but once again the tackle kept happening
Isolation = not appropriate here and would have been completely pointless.
Engineering = did they provide everyone with basic human movement courses?, was every player taken through this?, was the mechanics of the consequences spelt out to them?, did they sign as having received such information?, was the information delivered by an expert?, is the expert accredited?, is the science correct?
Administrative = the lower end of the scale - they put rules in place saying don't do that.............and rarely sent a player off for it, not even the one(s) involved in this incident. This is one of the lower end of controls at the lower end of the totem and they even managed to put a big X through this box as a complete failure. At no point prior to the incident did they thoroughly act on this. The seven week suspension given to the player - not even a high number considering others in the past for incidents resulting in less physical damage - is perhaps going to be telling in any legal proceedings.
PPE (Peronal Protective Equipment = The absolute lowest end of the totem and the last resort - like giving a guy who is grinding steel to a point goggles rather than setting up a milling machine behind lexan - it is a token gesture and to be used when all other controls are either inadequate, inappropriate or do not reduce the original risk level to an acceptable level. They didn't even give Alex this by way of not mandating neck protection etc.

 

[macavity]

I think he is within his rights to sue.
I don't want to start a shitfight again but honestly the storm had been using grubby tactics for near a decade and the fact it happened against them came as no surprise to me.

This reminds me of a time a gent I worked with died, motorcycle accident.
Yes there was initially donations and all that, the company he worked for chipping in, paying for funerals, travel etc for the family.
Fast forward 6 months - what is there?
Nothing.
Donations stop, the company eventually moves on as after all it didn't happen at work and people not directly involved put it to the back of their lives.
After the mourning and the wake your support dries up.
It is a similar case for Alex, apart from a few media spots here and there what about John Farragher (spelling?), hell no one gave a living shit about Simon Dwyer until the Alex thing blew up in the media and it turned out that no certainty had been placed on his income despite potentially being left with a limp arm for life.
Litigate away I say, there may not be many more pay days and you never know when people are going to stop giving a shit.

So this. That scum club and scum coach have so much to answer for in endangering people and ruining our game. Sick of them being protected.

 

[POPEYE]

I think he is within his rights to sue.
I don't want to start a shitfight again but honestly the storm had been using grubby tactics for near a decade and the fact it happened against them came as no surprise to me.

This reminds me of a time a gent I worked with died, motorcycle accident.
Yes there was initially donations and all that, the company he worked for chipping in, paying for funerals, travel etc for the family.
Fast forward 6 months - what is there?
Nothing.
Donations stop, the company eventually moves on as after all it didn't happen at work and people not directly involved put it to the back of their lives.
After the mourning and the wake your support dries up.
It is a similar case for Alex, apart from a few media spots here and there what about John Farragher (spelling?), hell no one gave a living shit about Simon Dwyer until the Alex thing blew up in the media and it turned out that no certainty had been placed on his income despite potentially being left with a limp arm for life.
Litigate away I say, there may not be many more pay days and you never know when people are going to stop giving a shit.

Another f**kwit with an agenda . . . signature says it all

 

[Cloudsurfer]

I think he is within his rights to sue.
I don't want to start a shitfight again but honestly the storm had been using grubby tactics for near a decade and the fact it happened against them came as no surprise to me.

This reminds me of a time a gent I worked with died, motorcycle accident.
Yes there was initially donations and all that, the company he worked for chipping in, paying for funerals, travel etc for the family.
Fast forward 6 months - what is there?
Nothing.
Donations stop, the company eventually moves on as after all it didn't happen at work and people not directly involved put it to the back of their lives.
After the mourning and the wake your support dries up.
It is a similar case for Alex, apart from a few media spots here and there what about John Farragher (spelling?), hell no one gave a living shit about Simon Dwyer until the Alex thing blew up in the media and it turned out that no certainty had been placed on his income despite potentially being left with a limp arm for life.
Litigate away I say, there may not be many more pay days and you never know when people are going to stop giving a shit.

I actually agree with most of what you say except for the bit in bold...you just couldn't help yourself could you?

This isn't about Storm & if you take your stupid tunnel vision out of the equation, the real issue is about insurance cover for players (or lack of). In defence of the Storm & every stupid bit of blame they cop for every stupid trend in the game, you would realise that since time immemorial, rugby league & its players have done the most risky practices that a contact sport can produce.

Storm is not the instigator of all these things no matter how much you want to think they are. They are not to blame for every lifting tackle before or since Alex's tragic situation & so shouldn't be sued for it no matter how anyone's bias thinks they should.

The issue is Alex trying to secure his future & investigating his options...something that he should be careful about - lawyers and their insidious parasitic ways may well cause him a backlash that he doesn't deserve. Even so, I can empathise because I've seen a few in his circumstances and none of it is easy.

I know that contact sportspeople in Oz pay one of the highest tax rates and I would assume they would pay horrendous premiums for personal cover for injury...perhaps that's the issue here, there is no way that individual RL players can afford that in the face of a 'what if' but really they should. I also know that a lot of the posters on here think that players are on a gravy train here but the reality is quite different - I also think they need to pay up and cover themselves for such an eventuality but can understand why they might risk it by not.

Are the NRL liable, probably. The regulation of their own rules (no matter what they say) doesn't follow through into ensuring the biggest risk practices are adequately policed - the number of lifting tackles in recent times is testament to that. Time to come down even harder on these things. Regardless, a situation like Alex's can happen in general play too and is an anomaly rather than an expected event.

Alex's situation is here right now...what happens for the next one (god forbid)? I'd like to think that he is a man of honour and will act accordingly. I'm sure he will...

 

[Ulysseus]

Another f**kwit with an agenda . . . signature says it all

If I want the opinion of useless furniture I will ask the f**king ottoman.
Can you honestly put your hand on your heart and say they (Melbourne) have not been responsible for most of the crap?
What happened to Alex was a tragedy - and an inevitability the way Melbourne have been playing for the better part of a decade.

 

[Ulysseus]

The issue is Alex trying to secure his future & investigating his options...something that he should be careful about - lawyers and their insidious parasitic ways may well cause him a backlash that he doesn't deserve.

Then again a law firm may take this on for nix to enhance their reputation within circles.
Then again any law firm offering their services for nix may not be very good..........

 

[Son of Minto]

If I want the opinion of useless furniture I will ask the f**king ottoman.
Can you honestly put your hand on your heart and say they (Melbourne) have not been responsible for most of the crap?
What happened to Alex was a tragedy - and an inevitability the way Melbourne have been playing for the better part of a decade.

The Storm didn't invent lifting in a tackle, you f**king moron.

 

[Bazal]

Id highly doubt it. House renovations for a wheel chair would be big but not huge (50-100 max). A special vehicle (its not like hes getting a bently) and his medical and rehab would be covered by insurance. Pretty sure the nrl had insurance, just with like a 300k limit or something and now its at 1m.

1.1m in a trust fund would accrue a shit load of interest/dividends.

Throw in a yearly rise for alex round, a job for life, you cant fault the general public for losing some of the good will when he then turns around and sues.

You cant fault the kid for exploring every possible avenue as any decent person would, but if he does sue then i wouldnt care in the slightest if rise for alex round and a job for life dissapeared.

Check all the comments on facebook on every article about it, public opinion will turn on him if he does sue the nrl over it.

All that means is the public are generally merkins, and we knew that already. Deadset everyone here would do exactly the same in his situation, I'd almost guarantee it.

 

[Jason Maher]

Kick the Storm out of the comp.

 

[Parra]

While he obviously would have a case, after having $1.1m raised for him and a job for life, I could easily see public opinion starting to turn against him and that job disappearing after a bit.



http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...eighing-up-advice-to-sue-20150513-gh14oe.html

Only dickheads would hold this against him. And no-one pays attention to dickheads.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Watching Bill Shorten now... He is a disgrace...