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Alex's Law

Cagey Mac

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I believe that the NRL has been negligent in allowing the practice of lifting tackles because the penalty for the practice of placing your hand between a player's legs and lifting is dependent on momentum and outcome of the tackle and this inaction has allowed an horrific accident to occur.

I am of the opinion that modern day wrestling techniques in an attempt to slow the game down have made the tackle more prevalent and it is absolutely avoidable.

The best way to avoid this happening again is to bring an immediate send-off and high grade penalty into play for the player that initiates the lift in every instance

Alex McKinnon's legacy may well be that no other player will endure something that could have been avoided.

I also believe however that the players involved in Alex's tackle were playing the way that they have learned and they too need protecting from the remorse that they must now feel.
 
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Outstanding post Cagey Mac.

If it were up to me, the instant a player player puts his hand between another players legs, or lifts a player beyond the horizontal, then I'd be blowing the whistle.

I've seen some ugly things in league. Biting, gouging, elbows to the head etc, (and John Hopoate). But nothing, absolutely nothing, is as dangerous as a lifting tackle IMO.

If the NRL crack down on it now, it'll be 20 years too late.

Best wishes to Alex. My thoughts go out to him.
 

jenninga

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Outstanding post Cagey Mac.

If it were up to me, the instant a player player puts his hand between another players legs, or lifts a player beyond the horizontal, then I'd be blowing the whistle.

I've seen some ugly things in league. Biting, gouging, elbows to the head etc, (and John Hopoate). But nothing, absolutely nothing, is as dangerous as a lifting tackle IMO.

If the NRL crack down on it now, it'll be 20 years too late.

Best wishes to Alex. My thoughts go out to him.

Also an outstanding post.
A lift should be a sinbinned offence,it will get the message through you would think.No ifs or buts,8 a side,so what,rather that than another player suffer such an injury.
 

TruSaint

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I believe that the NRL has been negligent in allowing the practice of lifting tackles because the penalty for the practice of placing your hand between a player's legs and lifting is dependent on momentum and outcome of the tackle and this inaction has allowed an horrific accident to occur.

I am of the opinion that modern day wrestling techniques in an attempt to slow the game down have made the tackle more prevalent and it is absolutely avoidable.

The best way to avoid this happening again is to bring an immediate send-off and high grade penalty into play for the player that initiates the lift in every instance

Alex McKinnon's legacy may well be that no other player will endure something that could have been avoided.

I also believe however that the players involved in Alex's tackle were playing the way that they have learned and they too need protecting from the remorse that they must now feel.

Congratulations mate on the post of the year.

Thoughtful, and inspirational.
 

Cagey Mac

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Thanks but just really concerned that action needs to be taken immediately and it's not rocket science.
I hope that medical science comes to the fore and Alex's aid.
All rugby league lovers should be willing to help.
 

TheRev

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what about lifting tackles that dont involve hands between the legs? Some of the best tackles I can remember are blokes like Andrew Johns picking up a bloke and dumping him on his back, there is a slight chance of someone going beyond the horizontal but I dont think it could ever become a spear.
 

TruSaint

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Thanks but just really concerned that action needs to be taken immediately and it's not rocket science.
I hope that medical science comes to the fore and Alex's aid.
All rugby league lovers should be willing to help.

Mate dont be humble here.

You have made a point that cuts to the core of our sport.
I rarely become emotional, as this is a tough game, but surely logic must prevail.
 

64 Dragon

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Any lifting by more than one player should be penalised, regardless of going beyond the horizontal. I blame the wrestling tactics that are now so prevalent in the game.

It is ironic that the player, supposedly at fault, plays for the club and coach that basically introduced wrestling.
 

God-King Dean

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Completely disagree.

As long as there is tackling around the legs & driving, there's will be tackles that go wrong. It's got nothing to do with these wrestling techniques.

You can make as a big a suspension as you want - they are still going to happen.
 

TruSaint

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Completely disagree.

As long as there is tackling around the legs & driving, there's will be tackles that go wrong. It's got nothing to do with these wrestling techniques.

You can make as a big a suspension as you want - they are still going to happen.

Dean, when a player is held by 2 defenders, and the 3rd lifts (intentional or not ), is that not illegal?

Tackles will go wrong I agree.

A shoulder charge to the head could lead to serious damage. But we must do all we can to avoid putting people in wheelchairs. I remember this like it was yesterday. Unfortunately.

Link below

http://andrewrlp.blogspot.com.au/2011/08/tragedy-at-321pm-2010.html


Tragedy At 3.21pm (2010)

On Sunday, May 28, 1978, the most tragic incident in Australian first grade Rugby League history took place, when twenty-one minutes into the first half of the bottom of the table clash, between last placed Newtown and third last Penrith at Henson Park, a scrum collapsed.

The collapse lead to a severe injury to the 21 year-old Gilgandra prop forward, playing just his sixth first grade game for Penrith. Sadly it was also his last.

John Farragher had packed into the scrum at prop on the right-hand side. The loosely packed scrum, which had long been the scourge of commentators and fans alike, began to twist to his left.

Farragher?s neck was twisted hard against his right shoulder and his left arm was still over the neck of his hooker George Longhurst. As he began to lose his balance, the scrum also began to collapse. With his neck in a horrible position, he fell to the ground underneath his Newtown opponent in the scrum. The Newtown player was unable to prevent himself from falling and he fell on top of Farragher.

As the players collected themselves and started to clear the area, Farragher lay motionless on the ground, unable to move any of his limbs.

Dr Bill Monaghan, the Henson Park official medic, was quick to the scene and immediately knew that this injury was very severe indeed. He instantly called for a neck brace and stretcher and had Farragher rushed off the ground and into an ambulance.

Dr Monaghan was very concerned and requested that the ambulance have a police escort to ensure Farragher got to hospital unimpeded and as quickly as possible.

While his team-mates played on, oblivious to the extent of his injury, recording just their third victory of the year, Farragher was in intensive care having his injuries inspected.

It was found he had dislocated his neck and damaged his spinal cord. Doctors were able to successfully correct his neck, but they weren?t going to know how bad the spinal damage was for a few days.

The next day, he had some feeling in his right arm. Doctors were hopeful that he would avoid any severe disabilities but knew that such a prospect was unlikely.

An article about Farragher?s injury appeared on the front page of the Sydney Morning Herald along with an image of him being stretchered off the field. His condition was reported as stable.

On Tuesday, July 30, two days after the injury, Penrith announced they would be setting up a trust fund later that week for Farragher. The appeal fund would be designed to provide Farragher with enough money for the rest of his life. Setting up this fund was first priority for Penrith, whose officials hadn?t even looked at the match footage until the fund had been created.
 

God-King Dean

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Dean, when a player is held by 2 defenders, and the 3rd lifts (intentional or not ), is that not illegal?

Tackles will go wrong I agree.

It is, I'm not disputing that.

I just don't think it has anything to do with the 'wrestling era', if I could use that term.
 

Cagey Mac

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A typical between the legs lifting tackle is always deliberate.
Always potentially serious.
I don't think it's arguable.
A send off will stop the practice & ultimately save a life.
Pussying around with penalties will mitigate but not eliminate.
It's simple and it's morally and perhaps legally the NRL'S responsibility to do all in its power to address the unnecessary risk.
 

chillwinston

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It was an horrible accident first and foremost. I feel for Alex and wish him the best, I also feel for the Melbourne players too with the amount of people calling for their heads.

It wasn't a bad tackle, It wasn't helped by Alex tucking his head under either. There was no malice or intent to hurt Alex from the Melbourne players. The lifting was unnecessary but had Alex not tucked his head in, we may not be in this predicament currently and Alex would be fine.

Another thing it reminded me of was that some players, once lifted, were trying to flip over to win a penalty. I'm not saying Alex tried to do this, it just reminded me is all and it's just unfortunate that it happened the way it did.

I'm not trying have a dig at either party, just my observation. I hope that Alex can prove the Doctors wrong and hopefully one day walk again!
 

Dragoness

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OMG Trusaint I was just reading that same article, I was very impressed with how quickly the panthers went out of their way too look after him financially + the Eels contributions.. I looked up Jake Farragher (johns son).. Found he played for the sharks.. I wonder if he's still in the NRL
 

TruSaint

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OMG Trusaint I was just reading that same article, I was very impressed with how quickly the panthers went out of their way too look after him financially + the Eels contributions.. I looked up Jake Farragher (johns son).. Found he played for the sharks.. I wonder if he's still in the NRL

DN, yeah full credit to Penrith. They acted and took care of the poor man.
 

Cagey Mac

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On BSB this morning a guy called Craig added to this debate with a great point IMO.

Once a player puts his hands between another’s legs, toward the crutch, they create a pivot, making the lift-flip almost unavoidable. It’s a very common wrestling move and always attracts “Oohs and Ah’s” from the crowd as the wrestle /actors effect devastating moves using the technique.

It’s not necessary and whilst it won’t take all neck injuries out of play, it will remove the primary cause of player inversion and neck injury (since scrum rules have changed).

A consistent send-off for the practice which is completely avoidable and unnecessary would eradicate the practice.

It’s pretty simple and I don’t think that the logic of immediately implementing such a rule and penalty can be cogently argued against.
 

KiamaSaint

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I didn't actually think the tackle was so bad, I have seen worst which just goes to show how dangerous they really are.

I agree with the OP, the lifting tackle needs to be eradicated ASAP.
 

Minh

First Grade
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DN, yeah full credit to Penrith. They acted and took care of the poor man.

Total credit to Penrith, I hope for Alex's sake and am confident that Newcastle, the NRL and the League Community as a whole will do whatever it takes to assist Alex not just for now, but for however long it takes. This has been the saddest news in Rugby League I have endured, right up there with the tragic loss of Ben Alexander, and for me now with more life experience, it cuts a little deeper.
 

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