All Fair and Above Board.....NOT!!!

[steaming stormer]

so you talk of expanding into an area with an already thriving base... that's not expanding anything to do with the game outside of first grade.
It's why expansion is about entering new markets... new people to the game. The only balls up with any of it is that the NRL have allowed channel 9 to keep the game under wraps in the new town from day dot

 

[Parra]

Because of potential for growth, a team with a new stadium, with more tv exposure and high membership numbers in the 2nd biggest market in Australia a network can say yes we can make some money out of this sport over the 5 year period.

If we swapped Melbourne for the Central Coast for example who deserve a team but not at the expense of Melbourne, you have an area which already watches Rugby League so why would a TV Network shell out more peas for that and miss out on having a national competition without a Melbourne side?

and 50m is only 1/16 of 800m hardly ten times but enough to justify the money to be pumped in and only temporarily, as the junior bases increase and they get enough coverage they will pay the competition back well and truly more than they cost.

If any of that is true at all why is News Ltd trying to drop the Storm like a gun?

Why is getting rid of News Ltd from the NRL conditional on successful NSW/QLD footing the bill for the Storm money-pit?

Why does the Storm need to leech of the public tit instead of being snapped up by a corporate owner who is keen to claim these so-called southern jewels?

If anything at all you claim is true then the rest of us don't need to keep sending you hand-outs like the dole bludger club you have become.

Is anyone else sick of paying for 'potential' ?

No-one cares. Least of all the people of Melbourne.

 

[babyg]

I think 1million people in Victoria watching the grand final and 500k + watching each State of Origin is enough to justifiy the Storm.

They won't be losing 6 mill a year from now on. They are overspending on operations, part of which is development which the ARL should be doing, couple that with a certain increase in crowds and corporate box sales,

 

[typicalfan]

so hypothetically, you want to pay clubs based on what they bring to revenue?

This might be a foreign thought to you but keeping clubs afloat that have the potential to bring in large amounts of revenue is not only good for the game but for the other teams that may be struggling or may help to expand into other areas. Melbourne won't be propped up forever and when it turns around their success will give us more money which will help fund other clubs.

How can people not see the simple logic in this.

 

[big_matt]

It seems we get the same people ranting on a thread every 2 weeks to get rid of the storm but im not hearing any constructive comments about how to grow the game nationally if you dont support the storm. People are saying storm has had every opportunity possible to grow their fan base and havent managed. That's just nonsense. The "opportunities" we've had include:
1) playing at the worst stadium in the NRL bar none
2) training at the worst facilities in the NRL bar none
3) No exposure at all on free to air tv in Melbourne
4) Competing directly with the best attended sport in Australia by far
5) Competing with a sports media in Melb that aren't interested in the storm.
6) Commentators actively cheering against the Storm in the grand final

Under those circumstances, the club have done pretty well to establish a decent fan base in 10 years. If we actually had some help from our broadcast "partner" we might have done a lot better. I'd like to see how some sydney teams would do under the above conditions with no tv exposure etc. We already hear that the fans there wont turn out if its rainy/hot/have to change train/too late/too early etc etc etc.

I would urge those saying the Storm have 'cost their club money' to look at the figures. If Storm wasn't being propped up you'd have a smaller tv and media contract and your club would be getting less anyway.

Its interesting how some Sydney fans think you can get rid of the Storm and other out of town clubs and the Sydney teams could just live happily ever after. Thats not living in reality. All sports now rely on tv deals, and in the future codes that are not national wont get enough money to survive. Why do you think the AFL still prop up the swans? Or the lions? Why do the a-league prop up half the teams? Why did baseball prop up Toronto? Why did the NFL prop up the Texans? Did they all do it just to throw money down the drain and have a laugh?

Predictions for the western sydney AFL team show funds being supplied to them for much longer than the storm has been supported now.

 

[Parra]

How can people not see the simple logic in this.

here is a tip. Potential != actual

 

[typicalfan]

If any of that is true at all why is News Ltd trying to drop the Storm like a gun?

Why is getting rid of News Ltd from the NRL conditional on successful NSW/QLD footing the bill for the Storm money-pit?

Why does the Storm need to leech of the public tit instead of being snapped up by a corporate owner who is keen to claim these so-called southern jewels?

If anything at all you claim is true then the rest of us don't need to keep sending you hand-outs like the dole bludger club you have become.

Is anyone else sick of paying for 'potential' ?

No-one cares. Least of all the people of Melbourne.

I am not a Storm fan you close minded fool I am just a supporter of Rugby League growing, Why do you think that it was conditional according to News that the Storm are around and able to float? because if you took them out we would lose money and lose chances to build our national comp and become a 2nd tier sport in no time.

 

[Parra]

Predictions for the western sydney AFL team show funds being supplied to them for much longer than the storm has been supported now.

No-one in Sydney wants that either.


Take your GWS money and fund the Storm. Then everyone is happy. We'll even let you hire Sheedy as coach.

 

[Parra]

Why do you think that it was conditional according to News that the Storm are around and able to float?

Because for whatever reason, that suits News Ltd. It has nothing at all to do with the sport.

 

[Cerne Abbas Giant]

http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/03/31/try-as-they-might-no-news-ltd-means-no-melbourne-storm/


http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/l...0329-r8dn.html



Have any of you guys seen enough 5min bit pieces of Smith on NRL on Fox to justify him being paid 100k for it???

Doubt it...


IMO If after 12 years, 4 successive Grand Finals 3 Premierships, 3 of the highest profile players in the game, World Club Champions. Popularity is such that the NRL still cant put a live game on even when there is no competing sport the same day. When will they be able to stand alone?

If they cant sustain themselves now, how the hell are they going to sustain themselves in the next 5, 10 or 20 years if magically they arent able to grow as succesful a team that other clubs have funded for them like the one in the last 5 years????

If they arent getting any NRL on a decent time slot in Melbourne to add numbers for televised audiences, why exactly is our expansion in that area so important for the game??? How are they bringing in enough money to the NRL to justify every other clubs forking out money to keep them afloat and keep them as contenders each year?

Even if they do cover the money they are being given, why is it being taken from the kitty of hard working financially successful clubs to keep them afloat.

I for one dont want my team footing the bill to keep a team afloat that could be doing more for growth and for a town/city elsewhere.

Lets say the cap is increased to 6mil....will every club be able to afford that??? Will the Storm be funded by other clubs to spend the full amount???? you bet ur arse they will be!!!

News will not leave unless they know Melbourne will be supported by the new commission. Plain and simple. However unfortunately we will be left with this stain where battling Sydney clubs where the game has been made what it is today, will be forfeiting much needed funds to keep a club successful, who if stood on their own wouldn't be able to run out on the field each week

IMO if they cant sustain themselves by 2016 (after making 4, 5, who knows even up to 7 or 8 grand finals in a decade) they will never be able to sustain themselves, hence they dont belong in the otherwise growing NRL.

You're entitled to your opinion but i value the opinion of experts more.
Just in case you're not up to speed, a blueprint for independance were already on the drawing board during negotiations for an independant commission.

 

[typicalfan]

here is a tip. Potential != actual

Potenial = investment
investment = money
money = expansion and consolidation
expansion and consolidation = potential

can we see a pattern emerging here? where does your actual get us?

 

[Parra]

No.

Potential = potential.

That is why it is called potential.

Here is a thread you will enjoy. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=614033

 

[simostorm]

Cam Smith has been on Fox heaps..

 

[typicalfan]

Potential by its very definition is the capability of turning possibility into reality and is exactly what I was talking about in my post. :roll:

EDIT

wow interesting look what I found

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/potential

1. The inherent ability or capacity for growth, development, or coming into being.
2. Something possessing the capacity for growth or development.


first two definitions I found. wow.

 

[Parra]

 

[Bman26]

No.

Potential = potential.

That is why it is called potential.

Here is a thread you will enjoy. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=614033

classic thread

 

[typicalfan]

I don't want to drag this off topic although I fear it is too late so Ill finish it here, it might seem clever to put that in but your analogy is so far away from what we are talking about you may as well be on another planet.

There actually may be a time in our civilisation where most of us become astronauts as our technology advances and planet becomes inhabitable or overpopulated, people may have had the same laugh in the 1800's saying one day we will see what people are doing over the other side of the world through a box in our living room.

in 1980 we could have said Brisbane, Newcastle, Canberra etc could potentially be a benefit to the game and you would say no keep what we actually have.

It might seem daunting and scary for you but the game needs the Storm, not to survive but to grow and that is what we want, well I want that at least I don't know about you.

 

[Loudstrat]

What that shows is that we should all be thankful that the people running the game are able to see what happens if you have a game in 2 states only.

This exemplifies the utter stupidity of some posters. Fight to the death to defend Melbourne and their money pit, and totally ignore the presence of League in canberra and NZ, because it is only "in 2 states".

This forum is starting to resemble a bar where there are bitter old NSWRL fans that want to turn the clock back to the old days where it was nothing more than a state league... The NSWRL is still there if that's what people want!!

And blamed on the good old NSWRL, not the QRL, or the biggest club killer ever - News Ltd!

I think 1million people in Victoria watching the grand final and 500k + watching each State of Origin is enough to justifiy the Storm.

Good figures, of which we are all proud.

Still, I think 3 premierships from 5 grand finals in 12 years is enough to justify being self sufficient.

They won't be losing 6 mill a year from now on. They are overspending on operations, part of which is development which the ARL should be doing,

The ARL ARE doing the development of juniors via the ARLF. This on top of the old structure of the VRL, which The Storm have done little to assist in development.

couple that with a certain increase in crowds and corporate box sales,

Far from certain. Probable at best.

It seems we get the same people ranting on a thread every 2 weeks to get rid of the storm but im not hearing any constructive comments about how to grow the game nationally if you dont support the storm. People are saying storm has had every opportunity possible to grow their fan base and havent managed. That's just nonsense. The "opportunities" we've had include:
1) playing at the worst stadium in the NRL bar none
2) training at the worst facilities in the NRL bar none

You sure of that?

3) No exposure at all on free to air tv in Melbourne

Your CEO actively campaigned against that this week!!!!!!!!

4) Competing directly with the best attended sport in Australia by far
5) Competing with a sports media in Melb that aren't interested in the storm.

After over a decade, you haven't been able to chaNge that - AND YOU ARE OWNED BY ONE OF THE SPORTS MEDIA MOBS YOU WHINGE ABOUT?????

6) Commentators actively cheering against the Storm in the grand final

What a pathetic whinge. On of those commentators was a club legend with your opponents. The other commentators probably recognised which club funds itself and brought crowds to the finals. And if that's gunna keep the crowds and sponsors away in Melbourne, cut your losses and move somewhere that the game and your club has a chance, because you are selling pork to Jews if they are that petty and fickle!

Under those circumstances, the club have done pretty well to establish a decent fan base in 10 years.

Hasn't changed since day 1!

If we actually had some help from our broadcast "partner" we might have done a lot better.

So stop campaigning against getting FTA exposure on a marquee day ffs!

I'd like to see how some sydney teams would do under the above conditions with no tv exposure etc.

You can see this. Chat to Penrith or Sharks fans, or Raiders fans - who are not in Sydney, but you don't seem to blame anyone south of Camden.

We already hear that the fans there wont turn out if its rainy/hot/have to change train/too late/too early etc etc etc.

Like the poor storm crowd blamed because a f*cking rock band was playing nearby? :lol:

I would urge those saying the Storm have 'cost their club money' to look at the figures. If Storm wasn't being propped up you'd have a smaller tv and media contract and your club would be getting less anyway.

And would stuill be self sufficiant

Its interesting how some Sydney fans think you can get rid of the Storm and other out of town clubs and the Sydney teams could just live happily ever after. Thats not living in reality.

Yep, the old "It's all Sydney's fault" again. Yawn.

All sports now rely on tv deals, and in the future codes that are not national wont get enough money to survive.

Wrong. People pay money, not dots on the map. The NRL covers more populatoin than AFL does, but morons like you just do not get this fact.

Why do you think the AFL still prop up the swans? Or the lions?

Because they have absolutely nowhere else to expand where their sport is played, unlike League.

Why do the a-league prop up half the teams?

Because they have gone through a major code restructure and are banking on the Soccerroos access to the World Cup to generate long term interest. Besides, their TV deal is smaller than my TV deal to pay off my plasma

Why did baseball prop up Toronto? Why did the NFL prop up the Texans?

Because they are North Americans with more money than sense.

Did they all do it just to throw money down the drain and have a laugh?

No, only News Ltd.

Predictions for the western sydney AFL team show funds being supplied to them for much longer than the storm has been supported now.

Preparation for the Western Sydney AFL team show nothing more than a massive tax writeoff and the very worst example of investment - Ever. Worse than housing investment in Dresden in 1944, or a Daimler dealership in Mt Druitt.

 

[big_matt]

This exemplifies the utter stupidity of some posters. Fight to the death to defend Melbourne and their money pit, and totally ignore the presence of League in canberra and NZ, because it is only "in 2 states".

And blamed on the good old NSWRL, not the QRL, or the biggest club killer ever - News Ltd!


Good figures, of which we are all proud.

Still, I think 3 premierships from 5 grand finals in 12 years is enough to justify being self sufficient.

The ARL ARE doing the development of juniors via the ARLF. This on top of the old structure of the VRL, which The Storm have done little to assist in development.

Far from certain. Probable at best.


You sure of that?

Your CEO actively campaigned against that this week!!!!!!!!
After over a decade, you haven't been able to chaNge that - AND YOU ARE OWNED BY ONE OF THE SPORTS MEDIA MOBS YOU WHINGE ABOUT?????
What a pathetic whinge. On of those commentators was a club legend with your opponents. The other commentators probably recognised which club funds itself and brought crowds to the finals. And if that's gunna keep the crowds and sponsors away in Melbourne, cut your losses and move somewhere that the game and your club has a chance, because you are selling pork to Jews if they are that petty and fickle!

Hasn't changed since day 1!
So stop campaigning against getting FTA exposure on a marquee day ffs!
You can see this. Chat to Penrith or Sharks fans, or Raiders fans - who are not in Sydney, but you don't seem to blame anyone south of Camden.

Like the poor storm crowd blamed because a f*cking rock band was playing nearby? :lol:


And would stuill be self sufficiant


Yep, the old "It's all Sydney's fault" again. Yawn.

Wrong. People pay money, not dots on the map. The NRL covers more populatoin than AFL does, but morons like you just do not get this fact. Because they have absolutely nowhere else to expand where their sport is played, unlike League.
Because they have gone through a major code restructure and are banking on the Soccerroos access to the World Cup to generate long term interest. Besides, their TV deal is smaller than my TV deal to pay off my plasma
Because they are North Americans with more money than sense. No, only News Ltd.


Preparation for the Western Sydney AFL team show nothing more than a massive tax writeoff and the very worst example of investment - Ever. Worse than housing investment in Dresden in 1944, or a Daimler dealership in Mt Druitt.

Name me a worse stadium than the graveyard then, or a worse training centre than visy park or goshs paddock. Thought so...

If you want to think League in Australia can survive with just NSW teams and not develop a national comp then thats laughable. Every sport in the world financially supports teams in expanding markets but you are blind to the fact that the NRL should. Is it some sort of exception? 1 million people in Vic watched the grand final and the fact the storm were in it would have contributed greatly to that number. You think 7 and 10 haven't seen that potential? Why do they want to get in on League? And why have they specifically mentions broadcasting nationally? Do you think the AFL would have anywhere near the tv deal it has if it only had teams from Melbourne in the comp?

You'll also find our ceo was complaining about free to air tv this week because after 10 years of basically no coverage, they decide to finally televise a live game for our first home game of the season. Its ridicuolous from channel 9 and doesnt change my point that almost no coverage in 10 years has held back crowds. You disagree with that?

And no increase in fans since day 1? A lie. Look at the membership numbers and the amount of people watching on fox year on year.

And since when are sydney teams self sufficient like you claim above? Last I heard most of them were making big losses. Our losses are covered by News Ltd. Sydney teams are covered by owners or businessmen. But any team making significant losses year on year is not fully self sufficient and stable. Would those sydney teams survive if you take the storm away and the tv money being talked about goes down dramatically? I'm not sure

 

[Perth Red]

reading the various threads on the whinging about the Storm it is no wonder our great game is still largely confiend to 5 small geographical regions of the world!

Hasn't changed since day 1!

unlike say Penrith who in 33 years in the supposed hottest bed of RL has grown its crowd by whopping 3,500 people or Souths who in the last 50 years have grown them by barely more than 3,000!