Amone guilty.

[St Tangles]

A lot of people get gaoled for a first offence. It depends on the seriousness.

It’s quite serious. A man was badly injured and could easily died. Leaping for his life off a roof to escape a bashing which In itself could have resulted in a life of immobility or death, brain damage, all kinds of terrible outcomes.

So I believe the magistrate will use some of the purposes I provided the panel here to justify his imminent incarceration.

My only question is the length of the head sentence and parole period.

The big discount has gone.

I thinking he’s 3 to 4 years inside but with a non parole of at least 2 years.

I don’t think the court will entertain a back story with too much vigour.

Of interest is that if he accepted the finding and appealed the sentence, the higher court can increase it.

Hes challenging the finding at the moment.

If he got a really good outcome, say 3 years with only one or one and half years non parole, would he abandon his appeal?

He’d have to consider it.

On behalf of the people of NSW, I think the police are obliged to argue for a custodial.

That deterrence message is important. He was a role model and young hero. This stuff can’t be tolerated.

A fine young man, turns feral. I don’t even think he was drunk etc ( not a defence anyway) or sniffing Perkins paste etc.

Now through the grapevine and whispers, flying around, which I can’t really verify, Ive heard that the finding by the court is pretty safe and will be pretty hard to overturn.

You are just guesing

Yes alot of people get prison for a first offence

Could get time but more than likely not based on historical charges of the same nature

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

You are just guestng

Yes alot of people get prison for a first offence

Could get time but more than likely not based on historical charges of the same nature

Everyone is guessing aren’t we?

What historical cases are you referring to?!

It’s worse for him that he’s with others too.

Don’t forget, he’s actually running in to be a part of this horrific assault with a weapon.

I don’t think this is a vanilla assault charge, I think it’s significantly more aggravated and serious.

I would submit that Rooftop attacks with hammers are pretty rare. The magistrate won’t be guided by stats and other quantitative outcomes.

She will go right into the meat of it.

Then he will get led away and processed until his appeal is filed and bail is sorted.

 

[St Tangles]

Everyone is guessing aren’t we?

What historical cases are you referring to?!

Correct

I'm trying to find the article from last week which listed the charge and then a percentage outcome of previous charges of the same nature as first time offenders and only a small percentage received custodial sentences.
He may well get time but rather than speculating ill wait for the judge.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Correct

I'm trying to find the article from last week which listed the charge and then a percentage outcome of previous charges of the same nature as first time offenders and only a small percentage received custodial sentences.
He may well get time but rather than speculating ill wait for the judge.

I concur with you about first time offenders, but this is a bit unusual.

Here is something that may assist the both of us;

https://www.bocsar.nsw.gov.au/Publications/BB/bb66.pdf

We may interpret it differently of course!

I thinks it’s an interesting matter to speculate about.

But a fools errand to die on a hill predicting an unpredictable outcome.

The appeal against the finding. The grounds for those will also be interesting.

 

[St Tangles]

I concur with you about first time offenders, but this is a bit unusual.

Here is something that may assist the both of us;

https://www.bocsar.nsw.gov.au/Publications/BB/bb66.pdf

We may interpret it differently of course!

I thinks it’s an interesting matter to speculate about.

But a fools errand to die on a hill predicting an unpredictable outcome.

The appeal against the finding. The grounds for those will also be interesting.

He was facing a Maximum of 5years
The attachment looks at longer sentences
The article I read had approximately a 2% rate of people being gaoled he may fit that category.
I'm not advocating for him I just don't think prison time is a certanty.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

He was facing a Maximum of 5years
The attachment looks at longer sentences
The article I read had approximately a 2% rate of people being gaoled he may fit that category.
I'm not advocating for him I just don't think prison time is a certanty.

Yes, I understand where your caution is coming from and I believe your interest is nothing but impartial and fair.

Perhaps In support of your case, Her Honour will need to consider this:



Source:

https://legislation.nsw.gov.au/view/whole/html/inforce/current/act-1999-092

I think she will be satisfied, but of course an argument will be made that she cannot be so.

All a bit of theatre perhaps when is appealing the actual finding, but perhaps critical if he loses his appeal.

I’m really not sure if you can appeal the finding but if you lose that appeal, then you are allowed to appeal the sentence?

Maybe you know?

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

And Amone does have people who advocate for him and see his merits.

They do see him as a young victim figure for different reasons.

He might be too succeptible to other influences, not too bright, have a mental health thing happening.

Its not a crime to support and defend him and I think different views are welcome. It’s a forum after all.

 

[denis preston]

IMO You are 100% CORRECT on every point.
I am pissed and FURIOUS Flano let Bud go.
I feel the outcome of this decision will be define his stint here.

Would you keep him for 600K a year?

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Would you keep him for 600K a year?

$550 is his Tigers deal.

Hopefully he can catch a ball and pass it, that’s all we ask of him. No one else can manage it.

If he can do that, club captain before round 5.

 

[blacksafake]

Would you keep him for 600K a year?

Not for those dollars.

 

[SnowDragon]

Hard to follow from over here in Scandinavia, I can’t judge much, but I do not understand what causes a guy to act like that? What did the tradies do apart from park on the nature strip? There must be more to it unless junior is a psycho, or under the j flue de of one.

did anything come out to suggest why this escalated?

 

[Maximus]

There's always more to the story but wouldn't this simply indicate that the Amone family is somehow involved in gang conflicts? Maybe the victim was an 'undesirable' and maybe he parked on the nature strip just to give them the shits. None of this justifies attempted assault with a deadly weapon occasioning actual bodily harm, which I assume is what young Talatua has been found guilty of.

If you google the father's name, you'll see that even if he's not a member, he's associated with bikie gangs.

It seems likely this was an opportunistic attack on a rival gang, which would be an aggravating factor and bad for the Amone family.

 

[blacksafake]

If you google the father's name, you'll see that even if he's not a member, he's associated with bikie gangs.

It seems likely this was an opportunistic attack on a rival gang, which would be an aggravating factor and bad for the Amone family.

FWIW my brother works with a member of the family & according to them the tradesmen aren’t that innocent?
Regardless, Junior want way too far.

 

[mightydragon]

FWIW my brother works with a member of the family & according to them the tradesmen aren’t that innocent?
Regardless, Junior want way too far.

I thought Junior wasn't there???

 

[Dragon David]

FWIW my brother works with a member of the family & according to them the tradesmen aren’t that innocent?
Regardless, Junior want way too far.

I'm picturing this. The tradies park a work vehicle on the nature strip on Amone's side of the street and they were to work on the house on the opposite side. Amone Snr yells out to them and says "hey you f..ckers, move that bloody van off of the footpath because you gonna do some effin damage to the grass". They reply "get nicked you ...so and so... its not your f..cken nature strip so we're not movin' it". They get each other all hot and bothered and aggro and by which time Amone Jnr hears all the ruckus and comes out to support his dad - more aggro and the tradies yell abuse which angers Amone Snr more who then elbows the vehicles external mirror and then snaps the indicator light lever which triggers more aggro with the tradies threatening and in defence, Amone Jnr grabs a hammer to ward them off without actually wanting to hit them. They scarper and start running with Amone and another chasing them etc. One tradie falls injuring himself and ends up in hospital.

The Amones should have then given a "truthful" account of what happened - and Amone Jnr not saying that it was a mistaken identity but to say that he acted in self defence and preservation as the tradies were threatening and menacing them and to deter them from actually combatting, Amone Jnr grabbed a hammer to defend himself and they then ran off with young Amone making sure they don't come back at them by chasing them up the roof.

It should have been their word against the tradies and making them appear to not be the perpetrators as such. It sounds like the tradies weren't all that innocent over the whole thing and Amone's solicitor to my way of thinking has "f..cked" him up by stating that Amone Jnr wasn't actually there. Self defence should have been the way to go - he said that, we said that they did this we did that, their word against ours. "I was there your honour and this is what happened".

Anyway, he has been found guilty - NEXT....

 

[Maximus]

FWIW my brother works with a member of the family & according to them the tradesmen aren’t that innocent?
Regardless, Junior want way too far.

Yes the guy the attacked is apparently a member of a bikie gang. Anything further said by the Amone family can be taken with a grain of salt given they testified it was a case of mistaken identity and that Junior wasn't even there.

 

[SEAT 1A]

Anyway, he has been found guilty

If your defense in the trial is "I wasn't there", you're up a creek without paddle from to start.

He's been found guilty and can't see any outcome for him to continue playing the game.

 

[Dragon David]

If your defense in the trial is "I wasn't there", you're up a creek without paddle from to start.

He's been found guilty and can't see any outcome for him to continue playing the game.

I am sure that there would have been some witnesses who would have testified that Junior was there. Lying just made things worse. Telling the truth and possibly making it more a defensive situation might help with a lesser penalty but, saying "I wasn't there" really made things worse for him.

 

[Mojo]

I am sure that there would have been some witnesses who would have testified that Junior was there. Lying just made things worse. Telling the truth and possibly making it more a defensive situation might help with a lesser penalty but, saying "I wasn't there" really made things worse for him.

If that defense was used (and who actually knows what happened in the court?) it is beyond ridiculous (1) he's a well known public figure (2) there's pictures of him in the act (isn't there?) (3) isn't it an additional offence to give false testimony?

Anyway ... his defense has always left a lot to be desired.

 

[Maximus]

If that defense was used (and who actually knows what happened in the court?) it is beyond ridiculous (1) he's a well known public figure (2) there's pictures of him in the act (isn't there?) (3) isn't it an additional offence to give false testimony?

Anyway ... his defense has always left a lot to be desired.

Yep his lawyer tried to use it as a defence.

NRL star not present at time of alleged hammer attack, defence argues

Star St George Illawarra player Junior Amone has been accused of chasing a tradesman across a roof with a hammer but is arguing a case of mistaken identity.

www.abc.net.au

I don't think Amone actually testified.