Amone guilty.

[The Silverdale Phantom]

I would be surprised if he is sentenced to a full time custodial sentence unless he has a prior history for convictions involving violence.

His sentence will most likely involve something lesser than full time imprisonment .

He is entitled to leniency and should be allowed to demonstrate rehabilitation in a firm other than imprisonment.


Many people in society make a mistake or mistakes, often for more serious offences and are giving second chances.

Not downplaying what he did, but probably entitled to a second chance.

No way killer and btw it’s nice to see you here.

I have the biggest heart in the world.

I met JBD and wished him well, never for a second believed Tristan was creepy and I even think Haynesy should be on bail pending his appeal.

But Junior is a violent criminal, he almost killed someone, his defence was as bad as the Tigers.

He needs to be taught a harsh lesson, we need to deter self-entitled punks like him and his dad from hurting people for no reason.

He’s going to gaol all right.

3 years minimum I say.

He’s disgraced himself, everyone he knows and spat in the face of SGI. After everything they have done for him. It’s disgusting.

He armed himself before he went up on the roof. Coward.

It’s in he upper range of serious, Lock him up.

You’re a great man killer, but now is the time to harden up my son.

We all tried to think the slightest bit of empathy and sympathy for him. But those of us following the mess from day one…we just can’t feel anything for him.

We spend more time worrying his victim and the terrible pain and suffering he went through and still experiences. What about his family and mates?

He almost killed him Killer…it was terrible. He deserves no mercy.

I know you have a soft heart, but I have stand up for you too.

Justice.

 

[Kilkenny]

No way killer and btw it’s nice to see you here.

I have the biggest heart in the world.

I met JBD and wished him well, never for a second believed Tristan was creepy and I even think Haynesy should be on bail pending his appeal.

But Junior is a violent criminal, he almost killed someone, his defence was as bad as the Tigers.

He needs to be taught a harsh lesson, we need to deter self-entitled punks like him and his dad from hurting people for no reason.

He’s going to gaol all right.

3 years minimum I say.

He’s disgraced himself, everyone he knows and spat in the face of SGI.

Lock him up.

You’re a great man killer, but now is the time to harden up my son.

We all tried to think the slightest bit of empathy and sympathy for him. But those of us following the mess from day one…we just can’t feel anything for him.

We spend more time worrying his victim and the terrible pain and suffering he went through and still experiences.

He almost killed him Killer…it was terrible. He deserves no mercy.

Have to agree to disagree.

Im not in the lock him up throw away the key camp.

The criminal justice system is far from perfect, his actions appear not to be premeditated which is an important consideration.

Anyway I’ll go with the presiding Magistrate she is probably best placed to judge.

Im not suggesting I’m right I just don’t see a full time custodial sentence is warranted if this is his first offence.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Have to agree to disagree.

Im not in the lock him up throw away the key camp.

The criminal justice system is far from perfect, his actions appear not to be premeditated which is an important consideration.

Anyway I’ll go with the presiding Magistrate she is probably best placed to judge.

Im not suggesting I’m right I just don’t see a full time custodial sentence is warranted if this is his first offence.

I’m not having a go at you, you one of my favourite posters in the world.

I apologise if you felt my response was aimed at you. It wasn’t.

I just get amped up over what he’s done.

I will work to improve my messaging.

 

[Kilkenny]

I’m not having a go at you, you one of my favourite posters in the world.

I apologise if you felt my response was aimed at you. It wasn’t.

I just get amped up over what he’s done.

I will work to improve my messaging.

Mate I’m not offended at all.

I just don’t think he will go to jail.

Assuming this is his first conviction, yes serious, but not premeditated I see the Magistrate can be justified in dealing with it in a manner other than full time jail.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Mate I’m not offended at all.

I just don’t think he will go to jail.

Assuming this is his first conviction, yes serious, but not premeditated I see the Magistrate can be justified in dealing with it in a manner other than full time jail.

Ok, now you’ve let me fly, I will address your points a bit later.

Im still at work, started at 9am. I don’t get paid enough, neither does anyone else I guess!!

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Behold the purposes of sentencing in Nsw



Source: https://legislation.nsw.gov.au/view/whole/html/inforce/current/act-1999-092

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

And if I was the prosecutor, I’d have to be arguing that gaol ticks every box on this list.

For the rehabilitation limb, I’d suggest that there are adequate counselling and other anger management options available to him in gaol.

This was an unprovoked attack, it was disproportionate with potentially lethal outcomes.

As for being unplanned, I would submit that their was an element of planning as he went home and grabbed a weapon then scurried back to the scene.

Climbs the ladder and approaches his prey in an aggressive manner.

In other words,there were a series of positive acts he had to carry out in order to commit the offences.

“My lord, put oneself in the position of the victim, faced with an imminent bashing and possibly death by means of blunt force trauma, who has to take the potentially fatal leap of faith onto another roof and then is badly injured in an effort to save his soul”

I think Her Honour is bound to incarcerate him for a substantial period or find herself appealed against.

Hopefully the politicians and self interested stakeholders, let it runs its course.

We can see the front page of a light sentence “ Juniors Judge of Jelly”

 

[Kilkenny]

Ok, now you’ve let me fly, I will address your points a bit later.

Im still at work, started at 9am. I don’t get paid enough, neither does anyone else I guess!!

There is no real justice in the criminal justice system.

I would think application of the laws, making appropriate and proper decisions around sentences is a rather simple task.

Magistrates and Judges have shown time and time again they are not very good and often out of step with what society would expect.

Its just the way it is.

In this case, based on legal precedents in regards to sentencing, I just can’t see him being sentenced to full time imprisonment. Case Law just doesn’t allow for it. If he is given a full time custodial sentence it would be overturned on appeal.

The Presiding Magistrate will be all high and mighty, threaten all kinds of punishments before hitting him with a feather duster. Mark my words, let’s have another conversation after his sentence is handed down.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

There is no real justice in the criminal justice system.

I would think application of the laws, making appropriate and proper decisions around sentences is a rather simple task.

Magistrates and Judges have shown time and time again they are not very good and often out of step with what society would expect.

Its just the way it is.

In this case, based on legal precedents in regards to sentencing, I just can’t see him being sentenced to full time imprisonment. Case Law just doesn’t allow for it. If he is given a full time custodial sentence it would be overturned on appeal.

The Presiding Magistrate will be all high and mighty, threaten all kinds of punishments before hitting him with a feather duster. Mark my words, let’s have another conversation after his sentence is handed down.

I should frame a market, but I fear it’s in bad taste.

I stand by belief and opinion, case law won’t save him from the big house.

it’s just far too serious.

Every box Killer, every single one.

And I hazard a guess that’s in his lawyers mind, thus the resort to the “tigers defence.”

That abominable identification frolic.

It reminded me of Mary getting that additional season towards the end.

 

[Slippery Morris]

If Amone pleaded guilty and showed more remorse he may have a better chance of escaping goal. But to go with mistaken identity shows no remorse or accountability which will be his downfall and should be. His lawyer really should have advised that and not take a silly punt.

Time will tell I suppose when the judge gives the verdict.

 

[Mojo]

Yes I agree with you but if you and I can see that Hunt jelously guarded the 7 spot and Sully had no chance of ever influencing a game when Hunt was on the field and on top that the negative impact on the club with all his machinations,why couldn't Flano see it?
This is why i am frustrated and disappointed with Flano,he had the most PERFECT opportunity to let Hunt go and keep Bud who was rightfully touted as our future and to use Hunts' overpaid salary to reshape our playing roster.
Instead he released Bud and kept the ageing Hunt and this imo sends the wrong signal in the player market to both players and their managers of where this club is heading with their pathways and opportunities for players.
Hence our current recruitment results.
IMO Golden Opportunity for a turn around LOST.

I agree. To have a captain and rep player making such self-interested demands is outrageous. I too wish Flanno accepted Hunts request to go and backed Sulli. It would have been a big call though and would have had more potential to go pear shaped. I think Flanno simply decided to err on the side of caution.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

If Amone pleaded guilty and showed more remorse he may have a better chance of escaping goal. But to go with mistaken identity shows no remorse or accountability which will be his downfall and should be. His lawyer really should have advised that and not take a silly punt.

Time will tell I suppose when the judge gives the verdict.

I think his lawyer would have advised him, but ultimately it was Junior who decided to roll the dice.

To cover his ass, I think the lawyer would have put it in writing. To cover his ass, I think he would have asked Junior to sign a statement acknowledging that by pleading not guilty, he is losing his discount.

When Junior is led away, he will look to blame someone else for his entanglement.

If he didn’t mention the discount for the plea, I suppose the lawyer is in professional trouble.

Given the circumstances of the case, and the eventual reliance on the id evidence, I think the guilty plea would have been discussed many times.

All that said, the fat lady hasn’t yet sung and however remarkable and miserable the case looks, for what it’s worth, he’s still the game.

I’m not sure how he’s going to put on 50 points in the last ten minutes!!

 

[Mojo]

If Amone pleaded guilty and showed more remorse he may have a better chance of escaping goal. But to go with mistaken identity shows no remorse or accountability which will be his downfall and should be. His lawyer really should have advised that and not take a silly punt.

Time will tell I suppose when the judge gives the verdict.

He’s pretty skilled in silly punts.

 

[Slippery Morris]

I agree. To have a captain and rep player making such self-interested demands is outrageous. I too wish Flanno accepted Hunts request to go and backed Sulli. It would have been a big call though and would have had more potential to go pear shaped. I think Flanno simply decided to err on the side of caution.

I think Flanno would have taken the chance to back Bud but his injury record was the concern.

I hope Bud gets 4 good years at the Tigers, gets homesick and comes back to the Dragons. He will be at his prime then.

 

[KogarahWarrior]

Not sure if you guys are aware, but the bloke he attacked is also a (former?) gang member. Maybe that's what the backstory to the attack was rather than it just being over the 'nature strip'. Not that it justifies the act in any way, just pointing out something that I think's been overlooked a fair bit in this case

 

[Hound of Dracula]

He’s pretty skilled in silly punts.

His life, he’s managed to shatter,
His freedom is now what matters.
He should make his escape,
over the prison gate.
But where did he leave his ladder?

(Sorry Dennis)

 

[St Tangles]

I read an article recently I'll try and dig it out.

Very low chance of a full custodial sentence for the charges he is facing for a first time offender (remember the charges were downgraded and moved to a lower level court).

 

[Mojo]

Not sure if you guys are aware, but the bloke he attacked is also a (former?) gang member. Maybe that's what the backstory to the attack was rather than it just being over the 'nature strip'. Not that it justifies the act in any way, just pointing out something that I think's been overlooked a fair bit in this case

There's always more to the story but wouldn't this simply indicate that the Amone family is somehow involved in gang conflicts? Maybe the victim was an 'undesirable' and maybe he parked on the nature strip just to give them the shits. None of this justifies attempted assault with a deadly weapon occasioning actual bodily harm, which I assume is what young Talatua has been found guilty of.

 

[Saints Forever]

I really hope the juniors coming through learn from this and treat this as a perfect example of what not to do outside of footy. Make an example of this poor behaviour.

What have Saints got to lose by sacking him? He will end up in jail by the looks of things or if he appeals will draw out this saga longer than it should be. Haven't saints learnt from the JDB saga how punishing this can be for the club, players and fans? If they sack him, I am sure some other team will pick him up if not an English team may get him as he would probably get the Man Of Steel award in a season or 2 over in England.

Unfair dismissal if found not guilty on appeal.

Appeal likely to be heard in Supreme Court

His contract will expire before the appeal is heard

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

A lot of people get gaoled for a first offence. It depends on the seriousness.

It’s quite serious. A man was badly injured and could easily died. Leaping for his life off a roof to escape a bashing which In itself could have resulted in a life of immobility or death, brain damage, all kinds of terrible outcomes.

So I believe the magistrate will use some of the purposes I provided the panel here to justify his imminent incarceration.

My only question is the length of the head sentence and parole period.

The big discount has gone.

I thinking he’s 3 to 4 years inside but with a non parole of at least 2 years.

I don’t think the court will entertain a back story with too much vigour.

Of interest is that if he accepted the finding and appealed the sentence, the higher court can increase it.

Hes challenging the finding at the moment.

If he got a really good outcome, say 3 years with only one or one and half years non parole, would he abandon his appeal?

He’d have to consider it.

On behalf of the people of NSW, I think the police are obliged to argue for a custodial.

That deterrence message is important. He was a role model and young hero. This stuff can’t be tolerated.

A fine young man, turns feral. I don’t even think he was drunk etc ( not a defence anyway) or sniffing Perkins paste etc.

Now through the grapevine and whispers, flying around, which I can’t really verify, Ive heard that the finding by the court is pretty safe and will be pretty hard to overturn.