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Andersons excuse repository. Why Brett will get the 7. Again

imasharkie

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Morpheus said:
Lets's take subjetivity out of it for a moment and look at the facts :-

Chris Anderson coached the Australian Test Rugby League team today and they played terribly.

This is an australian team that most people agree should lap the rest of the league world, kiwis included.

Chris Anderson picked Brett Kimmorley in that side ahead of Gower, and batted ( excuse the pun) for him in selction meetings ahead of Campbell and orford.

Chris Anderson likes to have total control, we have seen the result of that at the Sharks. Chris Anderson must also have total responsibility for that performance.

He cannot Blame the roos " losing Culture"

He cannot blame the board for bickering with him and taking players minds off the job.

He cannot blame the ref

He cannot turn around and say " well, things are looking up for the next few weeks"

He CANNOT blame the aussie fans for being disheartened....or can he? can our national coach turn around in the press and tell the fans to love his methods or "piss off" and support another nation ?? he certainly told shark fans that earlier this year when they as a majority called his bluff and realised he had no new ideas and had brought poorly.
It's Reefy's little brother :roll:
 

beerboy

Juniors
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Gower wasnt good himself, while he was on NZ put on 3-4 trys, not that im blaming him for it, but we didnt play better with his presence.

Noddy was average but there were a lot worse

NZ were terrific, hats off too them Vagana and the #7 were great 4 such an untried duo, Toopi was sick

PS Wallabies were good too, 3 TRYS FOR THE RAT! good stuff
 

Frenzy

Juniors
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Morpheus said:
Frenzy said:
Well Noddy didn't put his best foot forward today.

this is true Frenzy, but why not say " noddy had a bad game" like most football fans would ? we cannot allow the fact he is a shark change our appraisal of his match . it sucked.

The "excuse" I'll offer is that there were too many chiefs and not enough Indians. When we had Gower, Wing and Kimmorley on the field we had 3 generals wanting to run the battle in different ways.

when WE had gower , ring and kimmorley....should read....when ANDERSON had gower, wing and kimmorley on the field etc etc..... you offer it as an excuse , so let's take off our shark coloured glasses and say..........you blame ANderson because HE is the coach and HE chose to have those 3 chiefs on the pitch at the same time.. ?

I don't agree Noddy was in the play too much at all. He wasn't in it anywhere near as much as he was at the Sharks. If anything he looked tentative to me.

I agree with you here in that he looked tentative, the other 15 ELITE aussie rugby league players on the field besides him and Bails were standing and running how they naturally play their best.....a little deep. Noddy looked tentative all game because he was running at the line and looking around for the ball runners who were 5 metres behind him, losing all his, and our attacks, momentum.

Gower made errors as well. At one stage, no doubt in an effort to impress he went himself from 5 or 6 out with a screaming Phil Bailey outside him. Just a wrong option but one I don't think he'd of made if he was "in the game" from the start.

Very true, good call, frustration it seemed.

Wing looked totally out of his depth as a 5/8 and had a defensive nightmare, getting bumped off and battered around. It took the zip out of his offence.

Again this goes to selection, NOddy has never played good football with another halfback playing in the number 6. Scott hill was a lock in number 6 jumper at storm.

I thought Webcke was gonna rip Noddy's head off at one stage when Noddy gave him a "Hail Mary" pass about 30 out.

Best halfback on the field was the boy from NZ, by a mile. Close second was Buderus and he played hooker :lol:

Can you please learn to use the quote function a bit better - use the preview function before you hit submit if you have to.

Morpheus said:
this is true Frenzy, but why not say " noddy had a bad game" like most football fans would ? we cannot allow the fact he is a shark change our appraisal of his match . it sucked.

No, it didn't suck at all. He scored the first try and had a hand in the second. He also employed some good kicking in general play. I won't just say it sucked to hop on yours or anyone elses bandwagon and what I think of his game has nothing to do with him being a Shark. He didn't put his best foot forward is elf explanatory and I don't need you putting words in my mouth to suit your own opinion thanks :)

Morpheus said:
when WE had gower , ring and kimmorley....should read....when ANDERSON had gower, wing and kimmorley on the field etc etc..... you offer it as an excuse , so let's take off our shark coloured glasses and say..........you blame ANderson because HE is the coach and HE chose to have those 3 chiefs on the pitch at the same time.. ?

Once again putting words in my mouth. No I don't blame Anderson anymore than I blame the selectors and the players. This was a unique game in Australian test history. Rarely if ever have we gone from one test to another with 8 players missing from the previous test. It simply means competition for spots is strong and in the heat of the moment players, especially playmakers, ALL took too much on themselves. I don't even believe Anderson chose to have them all on the field - those of us that watched the game saw that Buderus was actually injured and there was no other choice than to have them all on the field at the same time.

The fact there is no specialist 5/8 is the biggest error made. I can't see any of the stopgaps making a fist of it.
 

blacktip-reefy

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beerboy said:
Gower wasnt good himself, while he was on NZ put on 3-4 trys, not that im blaming him for it, but we didnt play better with his presence.
How can you even put those tries & Gower in the same sentence????!!!!
Kimmorley looked like he was standing on the old kingsway Roundabout whilst the Kiwi traffic ran around him everywhere for two of their last 3 tries. He was directly reponsible!!!
beerboy said:
Noddy was average but there were a lot worse
No there weren't!
The OZ backs were actually quite good, with their individula skills quite dazzling & putting on the first two tries. Even Noddy himself contributed in the first by putting the ball over the line.
The OZ forwards did well too. They ran out of puff because they did too much defense.
Too much defense because of poor options, pressure & mistakes caused by Kimmorley. & the fact that kimmorley was a passenger in defense.

But they held their own for 70 minutes & nearly broke the line many times, especially when Locky was involved.
 

Special K

Coach
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Hegarty should be shot.

Lockyer was also very off his game today. He bombed a few tries and also threw Meli that ball.

Oh well it is good for NZ. The game just keeps growing there
 

Caged Panther

First Grade
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how was gower ever supposed to make an impact when the time he got on was about the same time the run of play started to turn in the kiwis favour.

If anderson is fair dinkum about putting the best side on the park against the poms he should be giving both gower and kimmorely the chance to prove themselves. Kimmorely has had his go now give gower his - and give him a fair go at that not a prestonesque type shot at the half role. (In the context of this tour that means a full game at half.)
 

Genius Freak

Juniors
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I only saw the second half, but I thought BK played pretty well. He was certainly one of our better players, and though his team lost, I certainly wouldn't be laying the blame at his feet. If we're gonna be taking people outside and shooting them, let's make sure Rickitson, Lockyer and Minichello are at the front of the line, cause they were hella woeful today.

I will concede however that Anderson has seemingly imparted his 'Red Sea Defence' into the Kangaroos. One good part was Vagana. I'm so glad he's staying.
 

Foz

Bench
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The game was in the balance when Gower came on. A good chance for him to be a match winner but he came up with very little.
Its not his fault we lost but if you were happy with his conribution thats your opinion. I wasnt but I wanted Australia to win. He was not Robinson Crusoe though.
 

fatshark

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Well goose Gould put in his 2 cents and blamed the coach. Funny thing is the team was made up of mainly Roosters and none of them put their hands up. Wing did nuthin, Ricketson missed tackles and Mininchello was out of breath from a 40 metre run. Hegarty should not be there and Robbie Kearns made no impact.
 

Frenzy

Juniors
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Caged Panther said:
how was gower ever supposed to make an impact when the time he got on was about the same time the run of play started to turn in the kiwis favour.

Well if that's not the lamest thing I've ever heard. Are you implying Gower doesn't have the ability to make an impact off the bench?

Gower had his chance, as did BK as did Wing. Trouble is they all wanted to be the playmaker and all tried too hard to impress. None of them stood up to the pressure.

for reefy

Excuse no. whatever we are up to - humour intended, well, attempted anyway :lol:

Brett didn't play well because the Sharks have banned me from talking to the players and I wasn't able to tell him we had a different game plan for this match :)

I reckon that's a gooder!
 

bull shark

Juniors
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I thought it was a pretty typical Sharks-like performance: poor defence, little creativity in attack. All 17 players had a pretty equal performance - though I do agree with the comments about Wing at 5/8 - it's just not his position.

Noddy was no worse than anyone else. I think that those who bag him are really just annoyed with CA for having there at all. It's pretty obvious that with Gower at half, Wing (who IS an impact player) off the bench and a proper 5/8, the result would hae been quite different.

But good luck to the Kiwis. It's a good result for RL - esp. in NZ. From here I think the Kiwis will believe in themselves more and that'll make future Tests much more exciting - and more worthwhile winning.
 

blacktip-reefy

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He was worse.
If for nothing else, the two second half tries where the kiwis ran past him on all sides whilst he baulked & waited for someone else to make the tackles.
Appauling.
 

Morpheus

Juniors
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Sorry Mr Frenzy, I didn't realise you were the self appointed School Headmaster.

If you keep trying, perhaps you can aspire to me even MORE belittling and patronising when dispersing your all knowing, powerful opinion on our sharks and our club.

The way you have started on me as a new member here shows signs of a severe power trip man, I bet you are employed as some psuedo Govt employee who revels in his uniform, parking cop ? librarian ? park ranger ? Sherrif ? something along those lines.

I'm a profiler myself for a provate firm and in only a couple of posts from you, and the way you have acted towards a new comer like me, who obviously has opinons other than your own, is deadset textbook, working class , lower level uniform wearing public servant. I note of course that you are a moderator here ( a task I might add that in my job we always group straight into the power trip, morally upstanding brigade) and I'm really very sorry if I have come along and pe'eed in your territory man, but you couldn't act like the big pissed off bear any better if you were scripted it.

Take a chill pill and allow other, new, members to join and have a differing opinion to yours.
 

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