Andersons excuse repository. Why Brett will get the 7. Again

[Aries]

well geez guys

i didnt think he was that bad

Well, it seems half of Australia disagrees with you, by the tone of the SMS and email messages in the Tele today...

I didn't see the game, as I was working, but my dad did. He hates Kimmorley, and when I asked him, today, how Brett went, he said he went OK and didn't think he was as bad as everyone made out :shock: :shock:

However, my gripe is that ALL of the Pathers should have STARTED the game and maybe BK should have been on the bench...

All the Chooks were there, why weren't all the Panthers? I actually think that at this stage, and due to injuries and lack of game play over the past 6 weeks, Gower should have been the No.1 half for that test and definately for the next one!

 

[Morpheus]

Yes, I read in the paper the number of anti-kimmorley letters and messages too.

Why does it upset me so much ?

Becuase it is blatant and it's embarrassing for us as a club. There is no way to defend our coaches actions or our halfbacks selection, so we just look like the biggest jokes in the NRL.

 

[The Popper]

So too was Wing, Kimmorley, Lockyer etc. I'm not pro Kimmorley on this - in several threads BEFORE the side was picked I maintained BK "would" be picked but didn't necessarily deserve to be. I have no problem with throwing the 7 at Gower either but the reality is he made no impact. No excuses needed.

Quote Popper:
I thought it was unfair to throw all the blame at Kimmorley, albeit it is the `trendy' thing to do right now. I thought his game was no worse than many of the others. The Tele's players ratings on the game seem pretty right to me. I read all the letters re how Gower should have been `the man'. I agree, Frenzy. His impact on the game when he came on was zilch.

For the record, it didn't look like any sort of game plan to me. It was a disjointed rabble where some blokes went OK individually but as a team they were shoddy and aimless.

I agree with the quote directly above too. Seemed to me to be a lig lack of cohesion and understanding between the players. I guess the blame for that falls to coaching and lack of game time and training.

 

[The Popper]

I can never get quoting these quotes right. Stuffed it again, I did. Oh, well. At least you get the idea of what I'm saying.

 

[bull shark]

I can never get quoting these quotes right. Stuffed it again, I did. Oh, well. At least you get the idea of what I'm saying.

I always use the preview facility when I'm mucking about with quotes - helps a lot

 

[bull shark]

well geez guys

i didnt think he was that bad

Well, it seems half of Australia disagrees with you, by the tone of the SMS and email messages in the Tele today...

I didn't see the game, as I was working, but my dad did. He hates Kimmorley, and when I asked him, today, how Brett went, he said he went OK and didn't think he was as bad as everyone made out :shock: :shock:

However, my gripe is that ALL of the Pathers should have STARTED the game and maybe BK should have been on the bench...

All the Chooks were there, why weren't all the Panthers? I actually think that at this stage, and due to injuries and lack of game play over the past 6 weeks, Gower should have been the No.1 half for that test and definately for the next one!

Well at least more of the Panthers should have been on the park - suspect some anti-nepotism there.

BK really can't come off the bench - he's not an impact player, he's an organisational player. He can only play half-back and he can only play well when the team is built around him - he's a pivot in the literal meaning of that word. So either he's the run-on half or he's not in the team.

This is not a criticism, just my analysis. As was shown at the Storm, and once or twice at the Sharks in 2002, when the team is built around him he is a very good player. I think that he can't just slot into any team and improve it - whereas guys like Andrew Johns and Trent Barrett can.

We have a real problem with the 5/8 position. Wing is at his best when he spends a lot of time at dummy-half. So even if you bring him on at 5/8 and then rotate into hooker when Buderus has a rest - who do you put in at 5/8?

 

[Eskimo Sharkie]

Yes, I have to agree with one of the posters about the trendy thing being to blame the coach and Kimmorley for the loss. The simple fact of life is that rugby league is a team game and that was one of the worst performances I've seen from an Australian side. That's as a whole team, not in terms of any one player. There was a distinct lack of cohesion, little go forward and I can't believe how many wrong options were taken that essentially bombed tries.

Still, the loss is great for international rugby league and will spark a great deal of interest in the UK matches. If the Aussies had thumped New Zealand again, how many people would bother watching any of those matches? I know that we Aussies would, as you never get sick of beating the Poms, but I couldn't imagine too many people bothering over in the Old Dart. This loss gives the Australian side a look of vulnerability, belief that the balance of power in the game may finally start to be shifting, and is a great shot in the arm for the game at an international level.

 

[Caged Panther]

We have a real problem with the 5/8 position. Wing is at his best when he spends a lot of time at dummy-half. So even if you bring him on at 5/8 and then rotate into hooker when Buderus has a rest - who do you put in at 5/8?

I think if anderson is going to insisit on playing kimmorely at half than I think gower should be at 5/8. He played most of his junior footy their and made his first grade debut in that position.

That leaves a spot free on the bench for wing who can then be rotated with beduerus during the game. This makes sure wing is used regularly while on the feel in the position he is most influential.

 

[Mr Angry]

I must say I did notice Noddy at one stage, after the kiwis had scored. He was going off, what caught my eye was Shannon Hegarty - he looked disgusted and pissed off at what was being said, then he looked away whilst Noddy continued.

At that point I realised the kiwis would get this one.

Just an observation - no blame laid.

When 1 player in a team looks the way Hegaz did, all is not well in the team.

 

[Frenzy]

Well at least more of the Panthers should have been on the park - suspect some anti-nepotism there.

Which ones? Gower, Girdler, Waterhouse, Lewis and/or Clinton. Girdler was unavailable with his calf injury from the GF. Gower was NEVER going to be the first choice half - that's nothin' more than a simple fact of life.

So you'd have to drop players that started to pick the three Penrith Rookies that didn't play. Go back to before the test and forget about hindsight and probably the most experienced team was picked - and they weren't exactly wisened old footy players in the test arena.

Clinton for who? Webcke - nope. Kearns - maybe. Villasanti - maybe.
Waterhouse for who? Simpson, Fitzgibbon - nope. Mason - maybe. Bailey - maybe.
Lewis for who? Sing or Mini - would of made little difference.

IMO it's hard to see the Panther rookies could of made a lot of difference in that game the way it went. They may of, but it's by no means certain

 

[Mr Angry]

Yes, I have to agree with one of the posters about the trendy thing being to blame the coach and Kimmorley for the loss.

Does that make a lot sharks supporters trendsetters? ;-)

 

[Aries]

Well at least more of the Panthers should have been on the park - suspect some anti-nepotism there.

Gower was NEVER going to be the first choice half - that's nothin' more than a simple fact of life.

So you'd have to drop players that started to pick the three Penrith Rookies that didn't play.
IMO it's hard to see the Panther rookies could of made a lot of difference in that game the way it went. They may of, but it's by no means certain

Explain WHY Gower was NEVER going to be the first choice Frenzy... this should be interesting, considering he was Half of the year, the half that Guided the Panthers to the GF win and the FORM half, with games under his belt... and alot more that BK in the last 3 months ;-)

Those Panther "Rookies" also SMASHED the Chooks in the toughest and hardest and one of the best ever GF's... again your logic is faulted...

ALL of the Roosters started, so should have ALL of the Panthers, they were the last to play games and both teams beat the Kiwis on the way to the GF...

Nepatism is the only logic I see with YOUR comments!

 

[cheese]

On paper, the team was already one of the most ordinary and underdone test sides in history ..........To want to then throw another 3 rookies into it, well, its almost unrealistic.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing though isnt. Because looking back on it, im sure they couldnt have done any worse the bunch of under-achievers that took the field.

 

[Aries]

Well, as we had no recognised 5/8 for starters, we may as well have chucked every recent player at them, rookies or not. Like I said, they won the comp.

BUT, we all know where CA stands with BK, and as good as BK can and does play, that isn't always in the best interest of our club, or the Ozzie team...IMHO of cause..

 

[blacktip-reefy]

On paper, the team was already one of the most ordinary and underdone test sides in history ..........To want to then throw another 3 rookies into it, well, its almost unrealistic.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing though isnt. Because looking back on it, im sure they couldnt have done any worse the bunch of under-achievers that took the field.

Yeah I know what you mean Cheese.
Any coach that would get rid of older experienced players to make way for rookies would have to be a FW.

:lol: :lol:

 

[King of the Hill]

I'd blame forwards who didnt aim up like Villa as much as Kimmorley.

Kimmorley wasnt outstanding but he wasnt that bad. Wing, De vere, hegarty and most of the forwards were all awful.

It's going to be hard for Anderson to keep Kimmorley in the side when the whole league world except for a few of us wants Gower at half...but he'll find a way.

 

[Frenzy]

Yeah I know what you mean Cheese.
Any coach that would get rid of older experienced players to make way for rookies would have to be a FW.

:lol: :lol:

Sometimes you really gotta look both ways twice before crossing the road. Lest one may be hit by a west bound reefy bus :lol: :lol:

Walked right into one here :lol:

 

[Booyah]

Noddy is playing off the Bench this week. Gower has the Number 7.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

Yep but it's not a test.
It's a game to give the emus a run.

 

[Booyah]

Yep but it's not a test.
It's a game to give the emus a run.

I Know. But an Australian number 7 is an Australian number 7...