Andrew Fifita tells junior rugby league referee: ‘I’ll smash you’

[WaznTheGreat]

So you think the bloke responded in a polite manner and said "Dear Mr Fifita, Im in a public place and it is my right to film, oh and by the way, i hope you have a great season as you are a kind sir".

hahaha

It's clear that half this forum has never ever held a position as an official and had to deal with unruly parents, players or supporters.

I'd love to see half you blokes handle confrontation. Probably go hiding behind the nearest security guard.

You all think confrontation occurs in a polite / calm environment. Get a grip.

Leave the great horse out of this

 

[Pierced Soul]

i think i realsie why people are getting upset. it's obvious the ref in question hasn't done enough TRAVELLING. if he had then he would understand his actions were wrong and he should have just copped the abuse by the 2 fat merkins

 

[Frank_Grimes]

So far the ref has accused Fifita of wrong doing without any proof, he leaked his side of the story to the press and has caused Fifita harm. If he doesn't come up with the video footage, he's at a high risk of a defamation law suit, if it was bs he should face criminal charges because lying and giving a false statement is a criminal offence.

You've already demonstrated that you have absolutely no idea about the facts of this case, how about you read up a little before posting anymore?

• It happened after the game not during
• There were witness accounts that supported both sides of the story
• A breach notice has already been given from the Penrith league
• No one knows if the ref was actually filming or not

Are you for real or just trolling?

 

[Last Week]

According to the daily mail the ref DID say that Andrew said he'll smash him and not the phone.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ed-threatening-bash-referee-junior-match.html

Ref recorded the incident and should have the video. If the ref has bullshited I'd throw his ass in prison for giving a false statement, if daily mail made that quote up then prepare for a law suit, if Andrew did threaten the ref then get ready for a long ban.

You really are an idiot. Throw him in jail? For something that you think is a false statement, that hasn't even got Police involved? Do you even know the law in that regard?

Do you have something against junior referees or something?

 

[Last Week]

Are the Fifita's smart? No, dumb as two bricks.

I don't think anyone is suggesting anything else.

Did they do the wrong thing? Yes

I don't think anyone is suggesting anything else.

Do they deserved to be rubbed out of the game for a year? No way!

Punishment should fit the crime.

Many seem to suggest otherwise.

Then why is the ref being criticized here if it's clear that Fifita has done the wrong thing and the only issue is the punishment?

 

[Miller was a legend]

You really are an idiot. Throw him in jail? For something that you think is a false statement, that hasn't even got Police involved? Do you even know the law in that regard?

Do you have something against junior referees or something?

Probably sent off in under 12's?

 

[Last Week]

You can film whoever you want if it is in a public setting but if you ask them to stop and they refuse then issues such as harassment comes into it.

Yeah, no. If that were the case, don't you think the media would be copping it a bit more in court for "harassment?"

You're wrong here.

Andrew said that he'll smash his phone, different from smashing him which would be out right battery as opposed to damaging private property

Well, no it's stealing and very close to robbery. If the phone was not in the refs hand and was just sitting down, you may have a case.

It will come down to weather the threat was credible and weather the ref harassed Andrew.

Credible? What are you on about? He's said either he'll smash him or the phone. Either way, it's a threat to him and his property. Whether or not you think it's credible is irrelevant. A reasonable person would feel threatened if someone said that to them.

The fact that a ref pulls out a phone while he's officiating should have consequences too you would think, are you not meant to be controlling the game rather then playing with your phone?

Didn't this all blow up after the game? Or while play was stopped?

 

[Miller was a legend]

Then why is the ref being criticized here if it's clear that Fifita has done the wrong thing and the only issue is the punishment?

Now your not reading.

Read a post later.

The point is they did the wrong thing..,yes

But, there is contradiction in what that wrong thing was. Threatening to physical assault an individual is a far cry from threatening to snatch or smash a phone.

This the argument. It has considerable bearing on the punishment.

Read the heading of this thread. It's what was reported and is where the evidence on both sides varies. Even one of the referees witness says he isn't sure if Fifita said smash him or the phone.

The arguments in here over who made it worse etc, won't even come into the decision on punishment. It will be the witness reports on what was said (in dispute) and therefore intent.

 

[Frank_Grimes]

Then why is the ref being criticized here if it's clear that Fifita has done the wrong thing and the only issue is the punishment?

Because:

You're trying to make yourself feel better about what they did by continuing to think (and espouse here) that the ref's action of taking out his phone was a catalyst for more threatening or abusive behaviour from a reasonable person.

 

[Miller was a legend]

Double

 

[Frank_Grimes]

Threatening to physical assault an individual is a far cry from threatening to snatch or smash a phone.

I disagree. If Fifita approached the ref in an intimidating and threatening manner (and by witness accounts he had to be restrained) and threatened to smash his phone, that's not far from threatening physical violence. A reasonable person could be forgiven for thinking that if they didn't give up their phone to be 'smashed', then they themselves would be harmed in the process.

 

[carcharias]

You can't generalise your ridiculous comparision away.

Neither Fifita was provoked. You're trying to make yourself feel better about what they did by continuing to think (and espouse here) that the ref's action of taking out his phone was a catalyst for more threatening or abusive behaviour from a reasonable person.




I already pointed out what I would do. Suggest you read it.

you said ..and I QUOTE

Yep, since when did pulling out a phone and (probably pretending) filming someone become an act of provocation?

I gave an example.
you cant handle it that I very easily made a mockery of your theory.
people don't like being filmed .

crap on all you like about you being fine with it.

go out now and start filming strangers and watch them tell you to f**k off.

 

[Miller was a legend]

I disagree. If Fifita approached the ref in an intimidating and threatening manner (and by witness accounts he had to be restrained) and threatened to smash his phone, that's not far from threatening physical violence. A reasonable person could be forgiven for thinking that if they didn't give up their phone to be 'smashed', then they themselves would be harmed in the process.

And that's all part of the varying reports Frank.

Witnesses on either side saying different things.

I wasn't there, were you?

All I'm getting at is that with Fifita all lawyered up, the club and NRL will have to weigh up all the reports and be careful on punishment because if this gets ugly and in the hands of lawyers there better be sound evidence to support the outcome.

Like I said, the twins are dumb as two bricks.

Andrews lawyers aren't

 

[Last Week]

you said ..and I QUOTE


I gave an example.
you cant handle it that I very easily made a mockery of your theory.
people don't like being filmed .

crap on all you like about you being fine with it.

go out now and start filming strangers and watch them tell you to f**k off.

It doesn't matter if you, Fifiita or anyone does not like to be filmed.

You are in a public place, it is legal. It does not give you or anyone the right to get aggressive and threaten anyone. You can ask them to stop, but if they say no, tough.

You can say that no one likes being filmed, and you are probably right about that. But it does not mean that you can threaten or get violent with some one.

Using your boyfriend at the beach analogy, if your girlfriend is being filmed at the beach by some guy, you still can't go and threaten the guy. If you catch your missus in bed with the guy, doesn't mean you can belt the shit out of him. Most people would want to, doesn't mean you're allowed to.

 

[carcharias]

It doesn't matter if you, Fifiita or anyone does not like to be filmed.

You are in a public place, it is legal. It does not give you or anyone the right to get aggressive and threaten anyone. You can ask them to stop, but if they say no, tough.

You can say that no one likes being filmed, and you are probably right about that. But it does not mean that you can threaten or get violent with some one.

Using your boyfriend at the beach analogy, if your girlfriend is being filmed at the beach by some guy, you still can't go and threaten the guy. If you catch your missus in bed with the guy, doesn't mean you can belt the shit out of him. Most people would want to, doesn't mean you're allowed to.

you are still provoking a reaction by doing so.

Frank Grimes reckons it is not .

I disagree.
I am right.

 

[Miller was a legend]

FFS let's stop arguing about filming.

They have said...there is no video. Either he didn't film or its deleted, lost, in the cloud, who farkin knows.

It's not going to support the refs side or Fifita's.

Dumb arse will cop a ban and fine, it's just the size of both that has to be based on the facts, some of which are in dispute.

No amount of arguing the point in here is going to change that

 

[SharkShocked]

Your all over the shop, first you are saying it's hard to be an official and dealing with confrontation is difficult, as people are generally arseholes.

Then on the other hand you say, that what the referee did was provocative and by extension deserved it??

#NoCowardPhone

Can you please remove the c**k out of your mouth.

Not one individual EVER in this thread has said that the referee deserved it.

Yes dealing with confrontation is difficult. Pulling a phone out was a way to make it more difficult.

 

[Miller was a legend]

Can you please remove the c**k out of your mouth.

Not one individual EVER in this thread has said that the referee deserved it.

Yes dealing with confrontation is difficult. Pulling a phone out was a way to make it more difficult.

I really don't want to weigh in on this damn filming stuff, but given it was Dumb arse maybe the ref thought he would shut the hell up if he was being filmed?

Anyway, I have dragged myself into this crap, so butting out on the camera shit now

 

[SharkShocked]

It doesn't matter if you, Fifiita or anyone does not like to be filmed.

You are in a public place, it is legal. It does not give you or anyone the right to get aggressive and threaten anyone. You can ask them to stop, but if they say no, tough.

You can say that no one likes being filmed, and you are probably right about that. But it does not mean that you can threaten or get violent with some one.

Using your boyfriend at the beach analogy, if your girlfriend is being filmed at the beach by some guy, you still can't go and threaten the guy. If you catch your missus in bed with the guy, doesn't mean you can belt the shit out of him. Most people would want to, doesn't mean you're allowed to.

Do you understand that what you are saying is that his actions are more likely to create additional confrontation / heated environment.

^ the above is not an excuse, the above does not mean that one should take those actions.

The above does not mean that anyone who willingly or unwillingly helps escalate a situation deserves it.

It is simply human nature and a fact that will contribute to the likelihood of additional angst.

Jesus christ it's like some of you don't get off the keyboards.

 

[Canard]

Can you please remove the c**k out of your mouth.

Not one individual EVER in this thread has said that the referee deserved it.

Yes dealing with confrontation is difficult. Pulling a phone out was a way to make it more difficult.

You seem very obsessed with dicks, and putting them in male's mouths.

So dealing with confrontation is difficult, but taking out your phone is just unacceptable in your view?

And plenty of posters have stated the referee is deserving of his treatment, others have claimed he was outright lying and should go to jail even.