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Andrew Johns questions Dragons' recruitment of Ben Hunt as pressure rises

utility dragon

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With a decent coach comes a good structure and game plan, when that happens then we can really assess Hunt at half or hooker. I think hunt has been very solid defensively and an excellent worker but has struggled with game management. I think Norman can help that next year but ultimately we need a game plan.
Ask yourself this... How good would hunt be at the Melbourne storm??
 

Gareth67

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Thats the problem, he needs to get back on the pinga's I think. We paid overs for him no doubt but he's better than McCrone and has actually won us a fair few games, and much like the Titans who bought Taylor its an unfortunate fact of life teams like ours need to pay overs to get players to sign for some reason. I would just like to know which halfback in the NRL that is better than Hunt would come to us for less money?

Correct F.C.D’s as others have mentioned - a coach who knows his business , including how to get into his player’s minds would undoubtedly solve the majority of the Dragons ills .

As for Benny unfortunately the maestro has no clue as to how to get the best from him , just which player to compliment his abilities with. If they need to switch the man into the hooking role so be it - there is nothing wrong in having the ability to play other roles in the team .

In 2010 Bennett had the other fella ( whose name escapes me - a Kiwi I believe) play both those roles with great success . Naturally Bennett was more concerned with winning each match and if he had to play chaps out of their normal position it didn’t worry him just as long as he got the required result - a win , those ever so valuable 2 competition points.

Our current coach simply does not have that type of thinking in his repertoire . He is basically a very bad cook , he has all the right ingredients but no idea how to use them .
 
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Warabrook saint

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With a decent coach comes a good structure and game plan, when that happens then we can really assess Hunt at half or hooker. I think hunt has been very solid defensively and an excellent worker but has struggled with game management. I think Norman can help that next year but ultimately we need a game plan.
Ask yourself this... How good would hunt be at the Melbourne storm??
Yes with Mootgregor our team's like headless avians
 

Warabrook saint

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Correct F.C.D’s as others have mentioned - a coach who knows his business , including how to get into his player’s minds would undoubtedly solve the majority of the Dragons ills .

As for Benny unfortunately the maestro has no clue as to how to get the best from him , just which player to compliment his abilities. If they need to switch the man into the hooking role so be it - there is nothing wrong in having the ability to play other roles in the team .

In 2010 Bennett had the other fella ( whose name escapes me - a Kiwi I believe) play both those roles with great success . Naturally Bennett was more concerned with winning each match and if he had to play chaps out of their normal position it didn’t worry him just as long as he got the required result - a win , those ever so valuable 2 competition points.

Our current coach simply does not have that type of thinking in his repertoire . He is basically a very bad cook , he has all the right ingredients but no idea how to use them .
Was it Fein?
 

Warabrook saint

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Was it Fein?

Correct F.C.D’s as others have mentioned - a coach who knows his business , including how to get into his player’s minds would undoubtedly solve the majority of the Dragons ills .

As for Benny unfortunately the maestro has no clue as to how to get the best from him , just which player to compliment his abilities. If they need to switch the man into the hooking role so be it - there is nothing wrong in having the ability to play other roles in the team .

In 2010 Bennett had the other fella ( whose name escapes me - a Kiwi I believe) play both those roles with great success . Naturally Bennett was more concerned with winning each match and if he had to play chaps out of their normal position it didn’t worry him just as long as he got the required result - a win , those ever so valuable 2 competition points.

Our current coach simply does not have that type of thinking in his repertoire . He is basically a very bad cook , he has all the right ingredients but no idea how to use them .
Our club is run so stupidly
 

nontime111

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fien of course! hero of 2010! one of them anyway but Benny tagged teamed both him and dean young as hookers last half of the season when fien arrived to devestating effect, but we dont have to, hunts good enough, under the right coach hell be fine and mcinnis is a gun im not even sad about robson leaving in the slightest
 

giboz71

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Why is Hunts contract the only one that gets scrutiny?

DCE, Ash Taylor, Milford, Pearce, Cleary all signed similar deals and none have come close to a premiership after signing big contracts . Jason Taumalolo signed a $10 million dollar deal and the Cows are rubbish. Jack Bird can’t even get on the park.

I wish people in the media would leave Hunt be, as others have said he is the least of our problems.
 

FlameThrower

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Why is Hunts contract the only one that gets scrutiny?

DCE, Ash Taylor, Milford, Pearce, Cleary all signed similar deals and none have come close to a premiership after signing big contracts . Jason Taumalolo signed a $10 million dollar deal and the Cows are rubbish. Jack Bird can’t even get on the park.

I wish people in the media would leave Hunt be, as others have said he is the least of our problems.
There is an agenda against him in the media. When he signed with us, I remember Ch9 sports story had something along the lines of “ $6M for this” and then showed the shot of him dropping the ball in GF.
 

Old Timer

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With a decent coach comes a good structure and game plan, when that happens then we can really assess Hunt at half or hooker. I think hunt has been very solid defensively and an excellent worker but has struggled with game management. I think Norman can help that next year but ultimately we need a game plan.
Ask yourself this... How good would hunt be at the Melbourne storm??
Wouldn’t make their run on team
 

possm

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Andrew Johns questions Dragons' recruitment of Ben Hunt as pressure rises

Ben Glover - 9 August 2019

Another failed season from a St George Illawarra side stacked with State of Origin players has put Paul McGregor under huge pressure despite the coach's recent re-signing with the club for a further two years.

With the Dragons fading from view in the race for a top eight spot over the last month, the Red V army has mobilised, with increasing amounts of 'Fail Mary' signs appearing in the crowd as 2019 draws to a close.

Whether or not the views of one of the most engaged fanbases in the NRL has any impact on decision-making at Dragons' HQ remains to be seen but with there's little doubt that with every loss McGregor's hold on his job becomes more tenuous.

Speaking to Wide World of Sports for Immortal Behaviour, rugby league legend Andrew Johns conceded as much, starting his critique of the Dragons' recent poor form by saying: "The drums are beating for Mary."

However, Johns continued that the scrutiny on McGregor was a direct result of a $6 million recruitment decision that has come in for constant criticism and has never really looked like good business.

When the Dragons signed then Broncos halfback Ben Hunt on a five-year deal reportedly worth $6 million in January 2017 it raised eyebrows from experts across the game.

Hunt had never won a premiership, famously dropping the ball in golden point of the 2015 grand final to hand Johnathan Thurston a premiership-winning field-goal in his only appearance in a decider, and hadn't yet been selected to play State of Origin.

He was considered an excitement machine, with a clever running game capable of ripping defensive lines open on his day, but a flawed game manager who, at 26 had yet to prove himself a genuine No.7.

Those concerns, however, did not deter the Dragons from tabling one of the biggest offers of all-time, a deal worth $1.2 million-a-season, to pair Hunt with skipper and star five-eighth Gareth Widdop.

It was the gamble they felt they had to take to win a premiership. According to Johns, that same gamble may become a key reason McGregor joins the unemployment line.

"I don't know if Ben Hunt's an out and out halfback, especially on what they're paying for him, that sort of money is for superstar quality," Johns said.

"I think he's a sensational dummy half and he showed that in Origin I just don't think week in week out under pressure he's that elite halfback.

"So there's a lot of money tied up in the salary cap for him at halfback ..."

There lies the rub.

Hunt defenders would make the legitimate claim that since Hunt has joined the Dragons he has won representative jerseys, both for Queensland and Australia, putting him in the truly elite category of playmakers.

The problem with that argument is that Hunt's only shot in the Maroons No.7 jersey ended in disaster, with the halfback copping a significant share of the blame for a Queensland loss in Game Two of the 2018 series, when they failed to capitalise on a Blues side down to 12 men in the closing stages of the contest after James Roberts was sin binned.

Daly Cherry-Evans replaced him for Game Three and cemented his position in the side with a performance so impressive he was given the captaincy for this year's series.

In the green and gold, Hunt has mainly been selected for his utility value, wearing the No.14 jersey due to his ability to play multiple positions.

At representative level Johns sees Hunt as a better hooker than a halfback but the three Origin games he played in the No.9 jersey this year drained him to the point that McGregor was forced to rest him in a must-win game 10 days after the players had returned to their club duties.

That was a decision that put McGregor in the furnace and Hunt in the fire as the Dragons plunged to a disappointing loss and watched their finals chances disappearing before their eyes.

While Hunt has copped the brunt of the criticism for his performances (and non appearance) following the Origin series, several of his big-name teammates have also been flat, with Johns describing them as "a tired footy team" over the last month.

"I watched closely last week against Parra and some of the effort areas you hear coaches talk about, you know, the one percenters and effort areas, things like pressuring kickers .... the first set of the game Parramatta rolled forward and when they kicked downfield by Mitchell Moses there was no pressure on the kicker, which is a bit of that mindset of, especially the forward pack 'well someone else will do it,' so that's where they're falling down," Johns explained.

Still it is Hunt on the biggest dollars and whether or not McGregor's around with him next year and beyond, it will be Hunt's performances that again cop the most scrutiny as the Dragons reload for another tilt at September footy in 2020.

In fact, with Widdop departing for the Super League, the microscope will feel like a laser on Hunt as he attempts to form a new halves partnership with Corey Norman, another player with a big reputation who is yet to fully realise his potential.

So what's to be done? Should the Dragons be entertaining the idea of shifting their $1.2 million Origin hooker into the No.9 jersey?

It would be a massive call given the club's current hooker Cameron McInnes is contracted until 2021 and has given great service since arriving at the Dragons.

However, McInnes would be easier to sell to another club given his considerably more modest wage bill and his reputation as one of the top five hookers in the game.

It's this kind of thinking that the Dragons perhaps need to start embarking on - and it's all because of a massive recruitment call that hasn't paid off.

"They need some new ideas, whether that comes from a new coach or new assistants, a new attacking coach I don't know but they need some changes."

URL: https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/dragon...hns-says/85240802-517d-4bf8-95ac-285a14c4d0da
The game plan and instructions from the coaching staff have about 90% influence on how the Dragons players perform. For example if the forwards do not dominate under Mary's power play game plan, then there is little time or room for the halves to perform their magic - Widdoop, Norman and Hunt. And if players who performed brilliantly in their first few first grade games get told to keep it simple, just run hard and straight and get to a quick play the ball, that is what you will get. In addition if a player has the same skill shortages that seem to most fans watching the game to be the weak link in the side, is not dropped or coached to eliminate these skill shortages, then the blame clearly anf fairly rests on the coach's shoulders.

I can say that in my opinion, that most we see wrong with the way Dragons players go about their business on the field these days, would disappear if SGI hired a quality coaching staff.
 

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Here’s hoping a few others in the media ask questions about coach strategy and player use to keep the pressure on the club to make changes.
Once the media start to question the ability of Gordon and the Board to manage SGI, that is when we will see some movement.
 

Old Timer

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Really?

You think Croft would start ahead of Hunt?
Yes I do.
Bellamy is an astute coach and if he didn't think Croft was the way forward he would already be planning the future.
If the future meant Hunt was the answer he would secure Hunt's services and as that is not happening I must assume that Bellamy sees more value in what he has on the books already.
After all he did lose Cronk and had several options at his door and Hunt wasn't one of them.
 

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