Andrews Johns NEXT Immortal?

[Carlito]

Fittler or Meninga or STFU.

 

[mongoose]

Lol at those who say Langer isnt an immortal but Sterlo is, Sterlo himself would tell you Langer was the better player, in fact Ive heard Sterlo say himself no-one has dominated the NRL like Alfie.

Langer 4 titles to Sterlos 3, sh*t all over him when it came to performing at SOO and Johns for that matter.



And its true, the Immortal tag is a bit of wank, it was started by League Week for Christs sake as a promotion.

Langer won 4 titles behind a monstrous brisbane forward pack and one of those titles was super league. He may have a better record than sterlo at origin but then ricky stuart has a better record than langer so I guess Stuart sh*ts all over all halfback at origin level.

 

[Stranger]

Langer, Freddy, Stuart... all very special players no doubt. I don't think immortals.

I would be happy to see Meninga or Sterlo next.

 

[mtngry]

Any idea who will replace Johns on teh All gold tour?

 

[edabomb]

The 5 year retirement is a tradition.

Who retired in 2002 just to give us an idea just how long 5 years out of the game really is.

Mullins.

 

[RABK]

It's obviously a very controversial debate and one that will rage for quite a whilst. We have certainly been blessed in the past 20 years with some great players all who have been mentioned in this thread.

Most people seem to forget just how exclusive this club is supposed to be...you have to be an a whole higher level then the rest of the elite players of your time. Do the likes of Daley, Stuart, Meninga, Kenny, Sterling, Fittler, Lazarus etc really sit on a higher level then their peers? Do they sit much higher then the likes of ET, Clyde, Price, Webcke, Mortimer etc? Personally i don't think so.

The next to be inducted should be Langer. Johns in 2012. Lockyer in 2017.

You do feel guilty leaving out players like Meninga, Sterling, Daley and Fittler though...

 

[herbert henry1908]

personally i believe Brad Fittler does sit on a higher plain than , sterling, Langer , stuart etc. Meninga and fittler would be a toss up for me , but i'd still take freddy.

why?

from the moment brad fittler ran out on to the field against wests in his debut in 1989 to his last game in the grand final in 2004 he dominated.

in 15 years he played 336 first grade games only missing 10 or so through injury , he played in 5 grand finals in this time. He also Played a further 72 rep games , captaining Australia in 20 matches and NSW in 14.

Unlike some of the other players mentioned Fittler dominated more than one position , very few players can say this. Lockyer being another rare example , but even he is not in fittler's class when it comes to being a five eighth.

just my 2 cents , not everyone is going to agree , but i dont think Fittler would be out of place amongst the immortals one day.

 

[RABK]

Fittler dominated?

 

[Mr Saab]

Paul Kent puts the "immortal" status into perspective in todays terrorgraph in that it is run by a magazine that has very poor sales figures.
The concept should be handed over to the NRL.

 

[Noa]

Langer won 4 titles behind a monstrous brisbane forward pack and one of those titles was super league- But yet Stuart and Sterlos teams were better, do you know your history, won the 98 title so I think its fair to say there SL title is legit-. He may have a better record than sterlo at origin but then ricky stuart has a better record than langer - Its not about the teams record, Qld was strong early in Langers Career , NSW late in his career, win or lose he was rarely outplayed in SOO - so I guess Stuart sh*ts all over all halfback at origin level.

Honestly anyone who says that Sterlo is a greater player then langer is to young to have watched him. Sterlo could control a game better and had a better long-kicking game but Langer was still the much more dangerous player.

Might have played in some great teams (I dont think the early 90's teams were anything special) but he was still the dominant player in those sides you couldnt say that about Sterlo or Stuart who were important complimentary players.


Sterlo - 81- 87 = 7 great years

Stuart - 89 - 95 = 7 great years

Langer - 87-98 = 12 great years.

Please.

PS. Alan Langer caused the ARL to change there laws twice. Tell me another half besides Joey whos had that much influence on the game

 

[thickos]

Mal HAS to be the next Immortal.... 4 Kangaroo tours (a record I believe), two as captain, triple premiership winning captain, 2nd or 3rd in most matches for Qld, huge number of points at Origin level etc etc.

One of the greatest ever, and he was not a half either, which speaks volumes as to how good he was.

 

[johns_reds]

Stuart was a great player and a good coach, but not an immortal IMO

I think it should be meniga, langer or sterlo as the next immortal, I’m all for johns being an immortal but lets wait at least 5-10 years before inducting him.

Who knows maybe in 3-4 years we might be saying Lockyer was the better player as he played longer, won more, who knows he might even dominate the next 3 origins the way johns did only once in 05’ the rest of johns SOO appearances were average IMO

 

[simon says]

He should run for parliament.

 

[simon says]

Honestly anyone who says that Sterlo is a greater player then langer is to young to have watched him.

Sterlo was a legend...Langer was very good.

Sterlo is next on my list for immprtal....then Johns.

IMO they were both the standout player of their generation.

 

[The Colonel]

Honestly anyone who says that Sterlo is a greater player then langer is to young to have watched him. Sterlo could control a game better and had a better long-kicking game but Langer was still the much more dangerous player.

Might have played in some great teams (I dont think the early 90's teams were anything special) but he was still the dominant player in those sides you couldnt say that about Sterlo or Stuart who were important complimentary players.


Sterlo - 81- 87 = 7 great years

Stuart - 89 - 95 = 7 great years

Langer - 87-98 = 12 great years.

Please.

PS. Alan Langer caused the ARL to change there laws twice. Tell me another half besides Joey whos had that much influence on the game

7 great years? You may have seemingly forgotten 1990 when he won his second Rothmans medal.

Sterlo had 12 great years but retired from representative footbal in 1989. Damn sad day when David Gilespie ended his career....

 

[Noa]

Dont forget about Lazarus as well (before Sterlo) . Equal with Artie as greatest prop of all-time (we cant just allow backs as "immortals"). Only person to win titles with 3 different clubs and he was a vital factor in all 5. The proto-type prop for the modern game, perfected the art of rolling over the ad. line and getting a quick play the ball (almost began with him), so important in todays game.

 

[perverse]

Stuart was a great player and a good coach, but not an immortal IMO

I think it should be meniga, langer or sterlo as the next immortal, I’m all for johns being an immortal but lets wait at least 5-10 years before inducting him.

Who knows maybe in 3-4 years we might be saying Lockyer was the better player as he played longer, won more, who knows he might even dominate the next 3 origins the way johns did only once in 05’ the rest of johns SOO appearances were average IMO

thats fair to a point.. but to be equally fair to johns, he was either played out of position to kimmorley or even injured at origin time for a lot of his career. i'll never forget one particular origin (can't recall the year) that johns played utility off the bench so that kimmorley could be in the side.. and every time his feet touched the turf NSW scored tries.. he must have set up like 5 of them or something.. it was amazing to watch someone come off the bench and have such a profound impact on a game.

unfortunately it's still hard to dominate a series from the bench. lol. there have been a lot of factors that have contributed to johns not dominating at origin for longer than he did.

 

[Noa]

Please dont think I dont rate Strelo, I do, one of the 5 best halve-backs of all-time, but there wasnt much between him and Stuart and I definately dont have Ricky in my top 5.

Sterlo didnt have 12 great years, his last 3 where interrupted by shoulder injuries and he didnt start to hit his straps till bout his 2nd-3rd year in the league, 12-6 = 6 + 1 for the Referees medal = 7.

"IMO they were both the standout player of their generation."

Greater then Mal or Wally.

 

[The Engineers Room]

I think that Sterlo was better than Stuart. He knew the plays two or three tackles ahead. It was like he could see the future. Stuart had a great kicking and passing game but was not as tactical.

 

[Nutzcraw]

Johns = Immortal

He is a combination of what is said above.

Tactically the best in the game, he appears as though he can see 2 or 3 tackles ahead and also has the best passing and kicking skills in the game.

Next Immortal will be Johns