Appeal (spoilers for Queenslanders)

[MacDougall]

I understand the face value issues with the idea of post match appeals but the on field officials have proven time and time again that they are incapable of being trusted to handle the result of the game. The integrity of the result of a football game must be protected otherwise our sport is a total and utter joke and not even worth watching. If you can't guarantee that at the end of the allotted time the team who fairly scores the most points wins the game then something needs to be done to guarantee it. The only can of worms that it would open up would be when a team that is on the wrong end of a successful appeal claims that the end result wouldn't be cut and dry if they had have had their points disallowed or vice versa. The way to combat that would be for a team on the field to play as though they are aware of the dubious nature of a particular call and continue as though it didn't happen. Make sense?

 

[typicalfan]

Horrible idea. What makes it worse is that people think Farah should have been awarded a try.

There is no guarantee the Tigers score the last try if the obstruction try isn't given end thread.

 

[MacDougall]

There is no guarantee the Bulldogs win the game either and they were the recipients of the shit call. All signs indicate the Tigers winning the game if that call was made correctly. In fact if the appeal was a real thing then the Dogs would have been playing as though they never scored the try in the knowledge that it would probably get reversed after the game.

 

[typicalfan]

There is no guarantee the Bulldogs win the game either and they were the recipients of the shit call. All signs indicate the Tigers winning the game if that call was made correctly. In fact if the appeal was a real thing then the Dogs would have been playing as though they never scored the try in the knowledge that it would probably get reversed after the game.

Wow....just wow. People like you are always asking for ref accountability but that is so hypocritical when the problem in the game is the clubs don't take any accountability. Where is the accountability for Robbie Farah when he misses a drop goal right in front. He is just as accountable for the result than the refs, maybe even more so. He literally made the difference between winning and losing, no philosophy bs.

Same thing happens in the Storm v Broncos game, Storm get a lucky try via the video ref but where is the talk of the 4-0 penalty count or the Hoffman knock on that led to a try directly.

Bad decisions happen to both sides, you think the Tigers didn't get lucky with a 7-2 penalty count? What you are suggesting creates more problems than it solves. Well it doesn't solve any problems.

 

[MacDougall]

Bad decisions by officials =/= player error. Player error is a part of the game, bad decisions by officials aren't supposed to be included in the game.

 

[Marshall_magic]

Moronic idea is moronic. The day the NRL starts retrospectively changing results is the day I become a GWS fan.

 

[Packy]

When does it stop? Only on tries? Every contentious call? Every call?

f**k that. We need shit simpler, not more convoluted.

 

[MacDougall]

I would agree if they were capable of getting it right first time every time.

 

[typicalfan]

Bad decisions by officials =/= player error. Player error is a part of the game, bad decisions by officials aren't supposed to be included in the game.

Human error is part of the game. It is part of every sport. The way I see it every team gets good calls and bad calls, they are more or less out of your control so the first level of accountability for a player or a coach should be internal as in what could we have done better to come away with the result. I am not saying the Tigers didn't get dudded late in the game but the game was there for the taking and in the clutch the Bulldogs were better on the day.

I know you are upset about the result and you have every right to be but as a neutral while the video ref screwed up that late call I thought the Tigers responded to that well, just got caught short.

 

[Card Shark]

Dumbest idea ever - get real mate.

 

[Marshall_magic]

Who would be judging the appeal anyhow?

Given how rarely Harrigan admits to the refs being wrong, it couldn't be him. One of the other refs has already made the screw up so he probably won't change his mind. Are the remaining refs likely to disagree?

Skeepe

 

[Eels Dude]

Where do you draw the line? A wrong call in the 75th minute is just as bad as a wrong call in the 5th minute. If it happens in the 5th minute it changes the entire course of the game... so you allow a coach to appeal a bad decision at the end of the game but not the beginning? Do you allow a coach to challenge a wrong call on a forward pass in the 44th minute which resulted in a turnover and a conceded try?

In hrose racing and gymnastics you're not making a complaint about the officials but the competitors on the field. Really a stupid comparison and a narrow minded thread.

 

[Tom Shines]

If the try isn't scored in the corner the Dogs probably hang on to win 18-16.

 

[MacDougall]

In gymnastics the appeal is against the judges scores mate. In horse racing, a sport with a bunch of horses jostling for position they uphold protests if one horse is found to impede another horse. This in turn changes the entire race and the one that gets impeded doesn't necessarily win but the winning horse may not have won without it. Still happens because that result is, in their mind, better than a horse winning unfairly.

The line would simply be drawn at try rulings. You can appeal the awarding or non awarding of a try. The result of which would either be a rejection of appeal and perhaps a fine to dissuade idiotic appealing or an upholding and the awarding of the try AND goal or the disallowing of the try and removal of those points. Any subsequent play is only hypothetical anyway and as I demonstrated before if there is a dubious call at any stage during the match, it wouldn't take long before coaches started encouraging players to play as though the call goes against them, which removes any real influence the post game appeal would have anyway.

I am not saying it's the saving grace of the game but I just believe that making the correct decision is important and the fact that that decision tonight could and most likely will cost the Tigers a shot at the finals now that they can miss out even if they win both remaining games (and tonight they proved they'd compete for the title tbh) is enough of a reason for me to overlook any other issues that may arise from an appeal. It is more important to be right than to be simple or easy imo. For teams to lose a game because of an appeal would be simply them losing the game due to a decision being correctly adjusted post game, nothing more or less. It would be nowhere near as bad as losing a game because of a dud call other than the taking away of the jubilation of winning, but again getting the right decision is more important than annoying or hurting feelings.

 

[I Bleed Maroon]

So im both games tonight, the referees screwed the losing team. This has gone beyond a joke.

 

[Jason Maher]

MacDougall, just wondering what your opinions on Trent Barrett being incorrectly called held and Benji knocking on but somehow being ruled to have "drop kicked" the ball are?

 

[StormHi]

So im both games tonight, the referees screwed the losing team. This has gone beyond a joke.

Only the Tigs have a reason to appeal Sisa's try was a Textbook Botd.......

Beginning to think I Bleed Moron is Ray Hadley the Hyperbole he is spouting certainly fits Rays MO.....

Lol :lol:

 

[blacklock]

Probably get slammed for suggesting it but if it's good enough for gymnastics and horse racing then we should have it when you consider that our officials are just simply incapable of doing their jobs correctly. You can argue that from the moment of the incorrect ruling that it changes the outcome of the game but then we're getting into philosophy and I don't like mixing philosophy with football.

Anyway the way I see it the coach should have the option of appealing the result of a match by lodging a complaint immediately after the match. In the case of the Tigers vs. Bulldogs game tonight Sheens would appeal the decision to rule the try after the obstruction have a post match meeting with the on field and off field officials, watch over the video, pull out the rule book, have the try overturned and the points removed and the Tigers win. The golden point period would be rendered moot.

Argue all you want but getting the result of the match correctly is far more important and if that was a grand final (and it may have been ours) then you would want the option.

Either way letting that result stand on the back of that call, it's unjust and holding the sport back imo.

problem is your scenario assumes with the appeal of a try, the remainder of the match occurs identically. ie the final result is overturned on the assumption all other things remained equal. which is kinda silly...

hypothetically the tigers get the penalty...then knock on first tackle and dogs score. how are we then to factor in that possibility?

the remainder of the game is intrinsically linked to that event. you cant selectively object to one decision whilst then accept all the other line ball calls that went your way.

what does that get us? then the dogs can appeal other decisions? suddenly we have a football game being decided by a debate team on who can have the most points overturned. (not to mention it would be the death of football gambling lol)

 

[Usain Bolt]

Farah is a choker. Couldn't kick a simple FG from in front not once but twice!

 

[cleary89]

Stupid thread. Karma for the benji drop kick lol.