ARL rejects Lyon's rep retirement request

[Tommax25]

Because rep footy is part and parcel of the responsibilities of the competition that his club has signed up to play in.

If he doesn't want to, that's fine. But if he's good enough to be picked and hasn't played 10 years of NRL and the other criteria for an exemption, then he doesn't get an exemption. If he still chooses not to play when selected, then he sits out the corresponding club games.

It's all very accountable and fair imo.

What people forget is clubs are part of the league, and so are rep games. Rep games generate income that gets spread back for the benefit of the clubs. To excuse everyone who simply didn't feel like playing rep footy without any penalty would make a farce of things.

I don't think he should be forced to play rep footy, and its debatable that he would be picked. I don't think all players should be forced to play rep footy - but if they refuse to, then there should be a penalty such as missing the club rounds in the name of equity. It's been this way for years, with good reason.

We will have to agree to disagree, because I dont agree with any of that. His responsibilities are to the club he signed for, manly, and to his family, which is the reason why he deosnt want to play. He said that those week long camps away during origin were tough on his family life and being with his family was omre important. And you want to punish the bloke for that. IMO the only responsibilities a player has in this competition is to uphold the integrity of it ie: dont go out and make headlines for rooting a chick in a toilet or fighting or any of that crap. Lyon doesnt do that sh*t and should be entitled to decline to play rep football if he so chooses.

 

[Jake the snake]

Jamie has a history of giving up his mates, This does not surprise me.

 

[Vossy]

rep footy time being hard on the family, cry me a river, its a sport, you decided to play it, how do you think families of people serving in the armed forces feel?..no point saying you want out of rep duties as you dont deserved to get picked anyway

when the going gets tough, jamie gets going (in the other direction)

Vossy you twit you even said yourself you do not watch the guy play, yet you say he is a sh*t player because you say he had a bad game in SOO in f**king 2007. So in my view not knowing anything about the current form of a player yet commenting on it like you do is in actual fact uneducated.

Want me to get you a dictionary just so we clear on the meaning?

f**k it hear it is

uneducated
Adjective
not educated well or at all

:roll: i have the right to comment on what ever the f*ck i want, dont like it, dont read my posts simple as that...

a manly fan calling someone else uneducated...

 

[coolumsharkie]

Suppose you are the coach of the team playing Manly in the game he'd be stood down for and also coach CC or SOO.

That would be more than enough incentive to pick him...

Yeah your right :roll: we just need to watch the 3 finals games Manly played in 08 to show how geniused your comment is.

Go back the whole year & its obvious you have not been following his game at all you deadsh*t.

"Yes got him!"

 

[KHunt]

There's a criteria :S

 

[Scottey]

Yeah cut him loose and leave a spot for a bloke who would give his right arm for the chance.

Hear hear.
I didn't realise you had to apply to be overlooked on selection.
Surely selectors just don't look at a bloke who doesn't have his heart and sole into it.
Isn't the definition of Origin... pride?

Maybe he should just play sh*t?

 

[^_^]

rep footy time being hard on the family, cry me a river, its a sport, you decided to play it, how do you think families of people serving in the armed forces feel?..no point saying you want out of rep duties as you dont deserved to get picked anyway

when the going gets tough, jamie gets going (in the other direction)



:roll: i have the right to comment on what ever the f*ck i want, dont like it, dont read my posts simple as that...

a manly fan calling someone else uneducated...[/quote]


You have no proper knowledge of what you said, which unfortunately for you is classified as an uneducated, uninformed comment. You are more then welcome to write up these types of comments however if you get pulled up on them dont dont cry mate, i kno you have the right to post comments & have your own opinion but wipe the sand out of your vag next time & accept the fact i was only asking for you to justify calling him a sh*t player & you refer to a game 2 yrs ago & that you dont waste your time watching him play anyway , confirming you have no current knowledge of this players ability/current form.

Im just a Manly fan calling a dumbf**k like you for what you are....seems to hit a nerve with you so maybe im right after all, moron.

 

[Tommax25]

rep footy time being hard on the family, cry me a river, its a sport, you decided to play it, how do you think families of people serving in the armed forces feel?..no point saying you want out of rep duties as you dont deserved to get picked anyway

when the going gets tough, jamie gets going (in the other direction)



:roll: i have the right to comment on what ever the f*ck i want, dont like it, dont read my posts simple as that...

a manly fan calling someone else uneducated...

someone using a stereotype based on nothing calling someone else uneducated...

 

[Hanscholo]

lol?

Since when has the ARL ever had the right to select a player that isnt interested in playing? So what happens when steve simpson pipes up this year and says, ok thats enough SOO for me. Do the selectors just ignore that and pick him regardless. Doesnt Lyon have the right to retire from rep football whenever he pleases?

Honestly I dont get lyon, he's a strange dude. That however is beside the point, if he has decided his rep career is done, then surely its over. Is there any precedent for this at all? I find this incredibly strange.

 

[Rockin Ronny]

someone using a stereotype based on nothing calling someone else uneducated...

However, there is a cretin who uses the expression "but wipe the sand out of your vag". And - he happens to be a Manly supporter.

The coincidence is too great. Scummy phrases from scummy supporters of a scummy club.

Die Manly scum.

 

[Tommax25]

However, there is a cretin who uses the expression "but wipe the sand out of your vag". And - he happens to be a Manly supporter.

The coincidence is too great. Scummy phrases from scummy supporters of a scummy club.

Die Manly scum.

And based on that, to you, all manly supporters are uneducated....:crazy:

I refer you to my post you just quoted.

 

[Shorty]

This is a decision based on future cases not Lyon.
He won't get selected for duties ever again but the NRL has to maintain a standard and not allow loopholes to be made.
I'm sure Lyon knows this as well.

A few in the thread have understood it,some others missed the point.

 

[bartman]

We will have to agree to disagree, because I dont agree with any of that.

Fair enough, but let me at least respond...

His responsibilities are to the club he signed for, manly, and to his family, which is the reason why he deosnt want to play.

And his club have a responsibility to the league, which becomes the repsonsibility of the individual players contracted to their club. hence the club gets the penalty (his suspension from the round) if he doesn't choose to play rep footy.

He said that those week long camps away during origin were tough on his family life and being with his family was omre important. And you want to punish the bloke for that.

Good on him for being honest. But Lyon doesn't get punisbhed for his choice not to play rep footy... his club/employer does, through not being able to select him that week. And that is perfectly ok imo.

IMO the only responsibilities a player has in this competition is to uphold the integrity of it ie: dont go out and make headlines for rooting a chick in a toilet or fighting or any of that crap. Lyon doesnt do that sh*t and should be entitled to decline to play rep football if he so chooses.

No offence, but you obviously don't understand the responsibilities the competition lays down to its clubs and its players, as detailed by the criteria for granting exemption from rep selection.

Lyon is entitled to decline rep selection, and no-one can force him to trun up and play. But he can't make that choice without also having to miss his club game for the relevant round. Same applies to someone like Eric Grothe who has no-showed rep team training in previous seasons. They can't have their cake and eat it too...

 

[bartman]

So what happens when steve simpson pipes up this year and says, ok thats enough SOO for me. Do the selectors just ignore that and pick him regardless. Doesnt Lyon have the right to retire from rep football whenever he pleases?

There is a criteria under which the ARL judges exemptions from rep selections - it's even mentioned in the article in their response to Lyon's application.

If Steve Simpson has played 10 years in the NRL, is over the age limit (which I believe to be 28, but could be wrong) or has long-standing injury problems, then yes, he would be exempted from rep consideration and could turn out for his club that week.

Jamie Lyon is not over tehir age limit (whatever it is), has not played 10 years of NRL, and does not have injury problems, so if he chooses not to play rep footy if selected, he must sit out the corresponding club fixture. It's actually really really simple.

 

[Matt23]

All Lyon had to do was have a quite word to Uncle Bozo, and he would'nt be picked.

 

[Follow Me Up To Carlton]

Completely ridicules.

If he dosent want to play for NSW then that's his choice. I wish players at Saints hasd the same attitude as Lyon, club first.

 

[^_^]

However, there is a cretin who uses the expression "but wipe the sand out of your vag". And - he happens to be a Manly supporter.

The coincidence is too great. Scummy phrases from scummy supporters of a scummy club.

Die Manly scum.

Vossy & yourself need to be reminded about personal hygiene....

 

[Waitakere Warrior Fan]

So... Is Jamie Lyon under a particular kind of contract that means he has to play rep football if picked or does this apply to everyone? If a particular clause was put into his contract that's one thing, but if this is how it generally works then that's pretty nuts.

What if somebody played their first few games in NSW, but spent most of their time up until then in Queensland and then went back to Queensland. If he's a dyed in the wool Queenslander does it make sense to force him to either play for NSW if picked or to sit out the round of football?

And why do Australian players have this obligation on them that others don't have? Apparently anyone who doesn't meet the exemption criteria has to play Origin or be suspended, but Kiwi's or Englishmen have no such obligation.

I mean come on, playing State of Origin isn't meant to be a punishment. Surely it's meant to be a badge of honour. If there's someone who doesn't see it like that then he clearly doesn't have the passion to be playing for the team anyway. What's the point of 'setting a precedent' for other players anyway? If we ever get to the point where players are only playing Origin because they're forced to, then I'd say Origin is pretty well dead as a concept anyway.

 

[LESStar58]

ARL rejects Lyon's rep retirement request

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/03/01/2504298.htm

Sea Eagles star Jamie Lyon faces suspension from the NRL if he refuses to make himself for representative fixtures in 2009.
The Australian Rugby League's (ARL) board has rejected Lyon's request to be made exempt from representative football.
An ARL spokesman says if Lyon is selected and refuses to play, he will be stood down from the corresponding NRL match.
The Manly five-eighth was overlooked for last year's State of Origin series after he told New South Wales coach Craig Bellamy he did not want to play.
The spokesman says Lyon does not meet the League's criteria to retire from rep football.
He says Lyon's request was rejected because he is only 27, he has not played 10 years in the NRL and he does not have any long-standing injury problems.

Would NSW pick him anyway and would he be welcome in the team? IIRC he was picked in 2008 and pulled out because the rest of the team didn't think he deserved to be there.

Methinks Lyon is being a bit too much of a pratt! I mean FFS playing Origin and Tests is playing at the highest level. Why would someone want to deny themselves that chance?

 

[Kiki]

UGHHHHH

we don't want him anyway. give it to someone who actually values the opportunity.