ARLC Commission Changes

[Cumberland Throw]

The RLPA is going to have a field day with this AFL deal..

It looks like their deal will pay the players in cash and kind $300M a year.. or $1.8m over 6 years..

Based on the revenue numbers they are getting a % share of memberships, major sponsorships, merchandise..


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...l/news-story/bee3648425db9f1bc8e7e4b195390430

 

[Perth Red]

Their deal is worth $13.45mill per club a year for 45 squad players or approx $299k per player. If nrl players get same it would be approx $9mill cap. Devils in detail of course but nrl players could end up getting more per player allowance.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

How is this for a proposal:

The salary cap for each club is their attendance revenue from the previous season. (same for rep footy, players devide the ticket sales among themselves and nothing more )

If players are so keen for a big payday, make them earn the money directly. Not just pillage the wealth people before them helped to accumulate.

And players might stop bitching about how they are expected to sell the game. Since thats kind of their job...

 

[Last Week]

In regards to this meeting the NRL had with the clubs, why has it taken this long to open the books? Why not do it earlier when negotiating with the clubs? Why not show this information to the RLPA? (Assuming it hasn't already)

 

[Cumberland Throw]

Their deal is worth $13.45mill per club a year for 45 squad players or approx $299k per player. If nrl players get same it would be approx $9mill cap. Devils in detail of course but nrl players could end up getting more per player allowance.

Interestingly when multiplying out 13.45m x 18 x 6

You come up a lot short of the touted $1.8b

Around $400m of stuff given to players that isn't in the salary cap

That's $66 odd million a year in extras

This is where the rlpa will focus on as they know it's not tied to the club grant

The perks.. the business class flights .. the cars .. etc

 

[taipan]

Interestingly when multiplying out 13.45m x 18 x 6

You come up a lot short of the touted $1.8b

Around $400m of stuff given to players that isn't in the salary cap

That's $66 odd million a year in extras

This is where the rlpa will focus on as they know it's not tied to the club grant

The perks.. the business class flights .. the cars .. etc

We have a live overhyped fumbler here.

It took the AFLPA a long time to get where they got.The RLPA will focus on what is available,not on what the AFL got.They already stated their claim, ambit though it may well be, and it will go from there.

All monies ,for just having that inbuilt ability to fumble a ball constantly and not leave the country.Coke consumption should also skyrocket.

 

[Captain Apollo]

How is this for a proposal:

The salary cap for each club is their attendance revenue from the previous season. (same for rep footy, players devide the ticket sales among themselves and nothing more )

If players are so keen for a big payday, make them earn the money directly. Not just pillage the wealth people before them helped to accumulate.

And players might stop bitching about how they are expected to sell the game. Since thats kind of their job...

Not a good idea in my opinion. You'd wind up with clubs on massively different salary caps, and you'd be allowing the Broncos to have the highest cap out of everyone due to their crowd averages. If you are going to have a salary cap, it has to be the same for everyone otherwise there is no point.

 

[RockWheel]

How is this for a proposal:

The salary cap for each club is their attendance revenue from the previous season. (same for rep footy, players devide the ticket sales among themselves and nothing more )

If players are so keen for a big payday, make them earn the money directly. Not just pillage the wealth people before them helped to accumulate.

And players might stop bitching about how they are expected to sell the game. Since thats kind of their job...

I can imagine after watching the broncos win 5 unopposed premierships in 7 years will really motivate fans to turn up.

 

[taipan]

I can imagine after watching the broncos win 5 unopposed premierships in 7 years will really motivate fans to turn up.

But, but Wayne's there.Happy Jack is worth the price of admission.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Not a good idea in my opinion. You'd wind up with clubs on massively different salary caps, and you'd be allowing the Broncos to have the highest cap out of everyone due to their crowd averages. If you are going to have a salary cap, it has to be the same for everyone otherwise there is no point.

Thats half my thinking. Either clubs go where fans are willing to turn up players take way less. We like to pretend that our comp is a free market, but it isnt even close...

(i do agree that there are massive holes in the idea, but for different reasons. we could get a single wealthy backer paying $millions for a very special seat, and that goes into the cap.)

Still, imagine if the players actually cared about the crowds at their games and their clubs membership numbers. We would get massive investment in driving attendence, because our biggest stakeholders would actually need to care.

At the moment, they just gorge on the hard work of those who came before them and suck the game dry....

I can imagine after watching the broncos win 5 unopposed premierships in 7 years will really motivate fans to turn up.

No, theyd just win the first. Then a few teams would move to Brissy to claim some of that sweet, sweet success and the market would balance itself...

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

^^^^

Hell, forget the club by club thing. Just have all of the ticket sales put into a collective pot and 100% distributed evenly across the team...

My point is just that, if players are directly effected by the attended figure year-to-year, their would be massive investments in getting people to the ground.

If players want their huge pay check, make them accountable and in charge of their own success/failure...

 

[BuffaloRules]

^^^^

Hell, forget the club by club thing. Just have all of the ticket sales put into a collective pot and 100% distributed evenly across the team...

My point is just that, if players are directly effected by the attended figure year-to-year, their would be massive investments in getting people to the ground.

If players want their huge pay check, make them accountable and in charge of their own success/failure...

How about this for an idea...the TV money has gone up by 80 percent....give them a pay rise..

You can't make the players responsible for the areas of the game that are struggling ( crowds) and ignore changes to the areas that are bringing in the most money (TV)..

 

[BuffaloRules]

Their deal is worth $13.45mill per club a year for 45 squad players or approx $299k per player. If nrl players get same it would be approx $9mill cap. Devils in detail of course but nrl players could end up getting more per player allowance.

According to this article the AFL Deal is as follows - you must be including the rookies who would be paid f**k all and bringing down the average...

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/af...t/news-story/98969e78e5046baa78bfbf6bf7bce148

key feature of the $1.84 billion collective bargaining agreement is this year’s whopping 20 per cent pay increase.

It means that excluding rookies, the average AFL player wage jumps from $309,000 last year to $371,000.

The salary cap increases from $10.37 million per club to $12.4 million

 

[RockWheel]

^^^^

Hell, forget the club by club thing. Just have all of the ticket sales put into a collective pot and 100% distributed evenly across the team...

My point is just that, if players are directly effected by the attended figure year-to-year, their would be massive investments in getting people to the ground.

If players want their huge pay check, make them accountable and in charge of their own success/failure...

I might be crazy but I reckon the players already do have an impact on crowds what with them playing the sport that people watch. "Look at this rubbish crowd, how dare these players train and improve their skills during the week. They're professional footballers, they should be out canvassing the community not playing football".

 

[Perth Red]

According to this article the AFL Deal is as follows - you must be including the rookies who would be paid f**k all and bringing down the average...

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/af...t/news-story/98969e78e5046baa78bfbf6bf7bce148

Key points with more detail to come next week:

the salary cap from $10.37 million to $12.45 million, plus marketing allowances of more than $1 million a club.

The pay increase is heavily front-loaded — it drops sharply to 1.2 per cent next year, 1.3 per cent in 2019 and two per cent per year for the last three years of the deal.

That takes the club salary cap to $13.54 million by 2022

The pay deal is about 28 per cent of total industry revenue, but can be even more if club and AFL earnings go above what is forecast.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/af...t/news-story/98969e78e5046baa78bfbf6bf7bce148

 

[Perth Red]

I might be crazy but I reckon the players already do have an impact on crowds what with them playing the sport that people watch. "Look at this rubbish crowd, how dare these players train and improve their skills during the week. They're professional footballers, they should be out canvassing the community not playing football".

Of all the factors why crowds are generally sht the players performance would be one of the least! Good job Greenburg's pay isn't performance related!

 

[El Diablo]

Key points with more detail to come next week:

the salary cap from $10.37 million to $12.45 million, plus marketing allowances of more than $1 million a club.

The pay increase is heavily front-loaded — it drops sharply to 1.2 per cent next year, 1.3 per cent in 2019 and two per cent per year for the last three years of the deal.

That takes the club salary cap to $13.54 million by 2022

The pay deal is about 28 per cent of total industry revenue, but can be even more if club and AFL earnings go above what is forecast.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/af...t/news-story/98969e78e5046baa78bfbf6bf7bce148

It's not relevant to NRL so of little interest to me or most on here. You seem somewhat AFL fixated and homoerotic? Is there a connection?

Why would I reply to a post on afl?

 

[taipan]

Of all the factors why crowds are generally sht the players performance would be one of the least! Good job Greenburg's pay isn't performance related!

Really LOL try telling that to Souths, Dogs and Tigers supporters based on their performances and crowds.You really are not up to speed, then that's to be expected being 2 hours behind what's going on in the real world.

 

[Perth Red]

no team is going to win every week. If supporters will only go to a RL game if a win is guaranteed then the game is stuffed. Look at Newcastle, dire performances yet the fans turn up bless them. No player goes out to play badly, some might not be up to it but doubtful many don't care. Are you suggesting we go back to winning and losing pay lol?

Players acting like dcks off the field is a different argument.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

How about this for an idea...the TV money has gone up by 80 percent....give them a pay rise..

You can't make the players responsible for the areas of the game that are struggling ( crowds) and ignore changes to the areas that are bringing in the most money (TV)..

My problem with this is that TV ratings and the income from this is skyrocketting based on the work of the last few decades...

Now players who had nothing to do with this come in and say "give me $millions. Dont invest in the future, dont spend money on grassroots or on boosting attendence or creating a online broadcast platform. Give all of the money to me"

They would bleed the game dry if they could, because the games long term success means nothing to them. Their paychecks stop when they stop playing.

So im saying: Make them directly responsible and accountable for the short term success for the game. These long term pay-offs (TV money) should be put into long term investments (juniors, broadcast platforms)

I might be crazy but I reckon the players already do have an impact on crowds what with them playing the sport that people watch. "Look at this rubbish crowd, how dare these players train and improve their skills during the week. They're professional footballers, they should be out canvassing the community not playing football".

Im not saying we need them out shaking hands every day...

Under this situation, the Players Union will probably take over the membership campaigns and probably have players invest directly in an in-house ticket office.

Players will WANT to go to fan days becuase that is 500 potential new members (current contracts have minimum appearances and min/max autographs, because they are already being paid so why should they care).

There is massive under-investment in boosting attendence (i dont think anyone will disagree with that). I just want the people with the greatest capacity to change this, to care...