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ARLC Commission Changes

titoelcolombiano

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Does anyone know if the commissioners paid? If so, does the role of chairman pay more? If so this has got to be a fairly hefty cost to the game.
 

El Diablo

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yes they do

seems they also get travel expenses too

cbf finding the various articles that have mentioned this before. they're probably posted in this topic if you search it for "paid"
 

Stormwarrior82

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I’m not sure of the wages the commissioners receive but if we want to have the best (compete with afl) it needs to be up there. At the same time the arlc has to also please the media/fans and keep spending down. There will be always someone complaining.
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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Does anyone know if the commissioners paid? If so, does the role of chairman pay more? If so this has got to be a fairly hefty cost to the game.

Im fairly sure its a pretty nothing amount like $25k-per-year (that might be VFL) which a lot dont even accept.

The big expenses would be flights, hotels, etc. but that is impossible to avoid regardless of who is there.
 

insert.pause

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Despite how remote the chances are, Gary Pert can f**k off, clubs can't spend the last 5 years whining that the ARLC lacks rugby league experience and then nominate a f**king Victorian! They can't find two qualified people actually passionate about the game?
 

Vee

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Daylight saving time plays havoc with NRL clubs putting forward board nominees

A marathon phone hook up of NRL club chairmen on Wednesday afternoon, called to agree on their two nominees for a new ARLC board structure, has voted to extend the nomination process with some clubs also expressing dissatisfaction with the reform process on a new constitution.

Souths chairman Nick Pappas, in his capacity as co-ordinator of the NRL clubs' response to a new ARLC constitution, emailed all club chairs on Wednesday morning offering two nominees: Racing NSW chief executive Peter V'landys and Sydney solicitor Glen Selikowitz.

They had been the only two names received by what Pappas perceived to be the close of business on Friday.

A third nomination, submitted by Titans chairman Dennis Watt, was deemed by Pappas to have been received after 5pm Sydney time, although it had been sent before 5pm Queensland time, with Australian Eastern Daylight Time explaining the difference.

However, Wednesday's marathon meeting agreed to extend the nomination process, Storm chairman Bart Campbell, saying, "The meeting resolved to extend the process and there will be a vote by close of business Thursday, Sydney and Melbourne time, assuming more names are added."

Pappas' email to clubs on Wednesday did not canvass the opportunity of a third nominee, with the two choices, who had the support of mainly Sydney clubs, assumed to be a fait accompli.

This aggravated a coterie of chairs, who had nominated the third candidate, in particular Wests Tigers chair Marina Go and Warriors chair, Jim Doyle – both of whom had supported Watt's nomination in writing – as well as the Storm's Campbell.

Insofar as the cut-off time had been written as "close of business", with no specific mention of NSW or Queensland time, a Google search discovered "close of business" traditionally means 5.30pm, meaning Watt's nomination had been received within the time frame, even by Sydney clocks.

Pappas' pre-meeting email did not anticipate a vote on the two declared nominees, merely whether there was any objection to either.

Under the rules of the draft constitution, ten of the NRL's 16 clubs are required to support a club nominee to a new ARLC structure.

While it was possible this threshold would not be reached if the Titans, Wests Tigers, Warriors, Storm, Raiders, Broncos and Titans objected to the candidates, this would have become irrelevant if the coterie of angry clubs retaliated by threatening to walk away from constitutional change.

Under existing ARLC rules, it requires 15 of the 16 clubs, plus the NSWRL and QRL, to agree to constitutional change.

Not all clubs are happy with the constitutional change as drafted.

The draft constitution, prepared by Pappas with the strong support of Bulldogs chair Ray Dib and Roosters boss Nick Politis, provides for a veto over any decision making if the chairs of the NSWRL and QRL are not present at meetings.

This provision mocks the notion of "independence", the much heralded word attached to the inaugural ARLC.

Nor would it have the blessing of AOC president John Coates who was drafted in more than a year ago to prepare a new ARLC constitution, which allowed for a board with two representatives each from the states and clubs.

The draft constitution is also seen by many "out of town" clubs as Sydney-centric.

Certainly, the view that the NRL marches now to Sydney time entrenches that view.

V'landys was promoted strongly by the Sydney club bosses, while Selikowitz was a late nominee of the Bulldogs' Dib.

He was formerly a lawyer with Baker McKenzie, represented the ARL during the Super League war and worked with Pappas when NRL clubs rebelled in 2016 against the ARLC over a breach of their memorandum of understanding.

While Dib has played a major role in the draft constitution, nominating one club director and endorsing the other, as well as empowering his Bulldogs ally, NSWRL chair Dr George Peponis, at ARLC meetings, he may not survive his own club elections.

Lynne Anderson, daughter of the late Bulldogs supremo, Peter "Bullfrog" Moore, and wife of double premiership coach Chris Anderson, is expected to be the new chair at the Canterbury football club if her "Reform" ticket is successful at next month's election.

There are many conclusions that can be reached from rugby league's latest embarrassing politics, one of which is that argument over a few minutes is significant in a constitutional exercise that has been proceeding for more than a year.

Another is that the search for two NRL club representatives on the ARLC, directors who presumably can add knowledge of the code to balance the independence of the majority, has resulted in only two "official" names received.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sp...g-forward-board-nominees-20180124-h0nut2.html

Roy Masters reporting on some more Amateur Hour heroics from our leaders.
 

Perth Red

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Of all the dumb dogsht things the Commission has done since it came in, wilting under the pressure and giving away the last vestibules of independence to the clubs and NSWRL/QRL is the worse. This will cost the game a great deal in the years to come, mark my words.

They cant even agree on a process to nominate someone, let alone agree on who!
 

Stormwarrior82

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Daylight saving time plays havoc with NRL clubs putting forward board nominees

A marathon phone hook up of NRL club chairmen on Wednesday afternoon, called to agree on their two nominees for a new ARLC board structure, has voted to extend the nomination process with some clubs also expressing dissatisfaction with the reform process on a new constitution.

Souths chairman Nick Pappas, in his capacity as co-ordinator of the NRL clubs' response to a new ARLC constitution, emailed all club chairs on Wednesday morning offering two nominees: Racing NSW chief executive Peter V'landys and Sydney solicitor Glen Selikowitz.

They had been the only two names received by what Pappas perceived to be the close of business on Friday.

A third nomination, submitted by Titans chairman Dennis Watt, was deemed by Pappas to have been received after 5pm Sydney time, although it had been sent before 5pm Queensland time, with Australian Eastern Daylight Time explaining the difference.

However, Wednesday's marathon meeting agreed to extend the nomination process, Storm chairman Bart Campbell, saying, "The meeting resolved to extend the process and there will be a vote by close of business Thursday, Sydney and Melbourne time, assuming more names are added."

Pappas' email to clubs on Wednesday did not canvass the opportunity of a third nominee, with the two choices, who had the support of mainly Sydney clubs, assumed to be a fait accompli.

This aggravated a coterie of chairs, who had nominated the third candidate, in particular Wests Tigers chair Marina Go and Warriors chair, Jim Doyle – both of whom had supported Watt's nomination in writing – as well as the Storm's Campbell.

Insofar as the cut-off time had been written as "close of business", with no specific mention of NSW or Queensland time, a Google search discovered "close of business" traditionally means 5.30pm, meaning Watt's nomination had been received within the time frame, even by Sydney clocks.

Pappas' pre-meeting email did not anticipate a vote on the two declared nominees, merely whether there was any objection to either.

Under the rules of the draft constitution, ten of the NRL's 16 clubs are required to support a club nominee to a new ARLC structure.

While it was possible this threshold would not be reached if the Titans, Wests Tigers, Warriors, Storm, Raiders, Broncos and Titans objected to the candidates, this would have become irrelevant if the coterie of angry clubs retaliated by threatening to walk away from constitutional change.

Under existing ARLC rules, it requires 15 of the 16 clubs, plus the NSWRL and QRL, to agree to constitutional change.

Not all clubs are happy with the constitutional change as drafted.

The draft constitution, prepared by Pappas with the strong support of Bulldogs chair Ray Dib and Roosters boss Nick Politis, provides for a veto over any decision making if the chairs of the NSWRL and QRL are not present at meetings.

This provision mocks the notion of "independence", the much heralded word attached to the inaugural ARLC.

Nor would it have the blessing of AOC president John Coates who was drafted in more than a year ago to prepare a new ARLC constitution, which allowed for a board with two representatives each from the states and clubs.

The draft constitution is also seen by many "out of town" clubs as Sydney-centric.

Certainly, the view that the NRL marches now to Sydney time entrenches that view.

V'landys was promoted strongly by the Sydney club bosses, while Selikowitz was a late nominee of the Bulldogs' Dib.

He was formerly a lawyer with Baker McKenzie, represented the ARL during the Super League war and worked with Pappas when NRL clubs rebelled in 2016 against the ARLC over a breach of their memorandum of understanding.

While Dib has played a major role in the draft constitution, nominating one club director and endorsing the other, as well as empowering his Bulldogs ally, NSWRL chair Dr George Peponis, at ARLC meetings, he may not survive his own club elections.

Lynne Anderson, daughter of the late Bulldogs supremo, Peter "Bullfrog" Moore, and wife of double premiership coach Chris Anderson, is expected to be the new chair at the Canterbury football club if her "Reform" ticket is successful at next month's election.

There are many conclusions that can be reached from rugby league's latest embarrassing politics, one of which is that argument over a few minutes is significant in a constitutional exercise that has been proceeding for more than a year.

Another is that the search for two NRL club representatives on the ARLC, directors who presumably can add knowledge of the code to balance the independence of the majority, has resulted in only two "official" names received.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sp...g-forward-board-nominees-20180124-h0nut2.html

Roy Masters reporting on some more Amateur Hour heroics from our leaders.

Club bosses leak info and constantly bag the Nrl hierarchy yet they can’t even vote on there own commissioners on time.
 

Stormwarrior82

Juniors
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Of all the dumb dogsht things the Commission has done since it came in, wilting under the pressure and giving away the last vestibules of independence to the clubs and NSWRL/QRL is the worse. This will cost the game a great deal in the years to come, mark my words.

They cant even agree on a process to nominate someone, let alone agree on who!

Now I agree with most of what you say but in the current climate with the clubs v Nrl I don’t think even the best ceo in the world could change the clubs opinions.

A few things that have happened which have mostly gone unnoticed is the fact that the biggest issues over the past 10-15 yrs between clubs and Nrl were

Finances - the Nrl has given the clubs close to what they wanted but with kpi and other conditions. Also a clear line in the sand telling clubs no more financial help!!!

A voice- clubs for a long long time have complained about not having a voice. With the new commission structure they definitely do now. They can’t complain about decisions and will now have to explain themselves back down to there clubs. Same with the states leagues.

Now I wish things were done a little different but Im hopeful that now nrl/clubs/states can final move on and supercharge expansion and player numbers together.
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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Of all the dumb dogsht things the Commission has done since it came in, wilting under the pressure and giving away the last vestibules of independence to the clubs and NSWRL/QRL is the worse. This will cost the game a great deal in the years to come, mark my words.

They cant even agree on a process to nominate someone, let alone agree on who!

To me, this is why the ARLC should give them power...

When they are the Outsiders, it is easy for them to unite, because all they need to agree on is that they dont like what the ARLC is doing.

Now that they have power, they will not be a united block anymore. They will fight amongst themselves for control of their 4 seats (i assume they will basically decide who gets the State rep seats too). Meanwhile, the other 6 commissioners will still have a working majority and they will have an easier time dealing with a divided clubland.

They will need good safeguards for leaks and reject that stupid idea that the Clubs/States can bloke shit by just walking out of the room. If they get those in place, i think this will end up benefiting the game.
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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Sydney centric merkins

I think its brilliant...

This will set the clubs against each other and might even convince the non-sydney clubs to push expansion/relocation to shift the balance of power in electing these commissioners.

Right now we have 9 Sydney Clubs and 7 Non-Sydney clubs. If we have 2 expansion clubs introduced or just one relocation, that balance shifts to equality. (Anything more and the Non-Sydney faction would have full control).
 

Diesel

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I think its brilliant...

This will set the clubs against each other and might even convince the non-sydney clubs to push expansion/relocation to shift the balance of power in electing these commissioners.

Right now we have 9 Sydney Clubs and 7 Non-Sydney clubs. If we have 2 expansion clubs introduced or just one relocation, that balance shifts to equality. (Anything more and the Non-Sydney faction would have full control).
100% agree.

2 new expansion clubs and the Dragons to move to the south coast and another team to make the CC home and we have a different senerio
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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100% agree.

2 new expansion clubs and the Dragons to move to the south coast and another team to make the CC home and we have a different senerio

Obviously the flip side of this is that the Sydney Clubs are suddenly keen to keep all 9 together in the city...

Having said that, this will also force the Sydney clubs to think about their collective health so even a faction of this kind could be a good thing. They might look at shared funding, collective memberships and collective approach to the stadiums.

And to ward off calls for expansion clubs, they might take it on themselves to move home games to expansion locations so they are able to claim that expansion clubs arent necessary.


I know i am being hugely optimistic, but the reality is that the game is already coming shit from these factions. 5 years of a totally independent commission has only united the clubs. What we need is for the clubs to be fighting amounst themselves and I genuinely think giving them this token bit of power will be enough to drive them apart (we've already seen it begin, they cant even agree on the PROCESS of nominating their candidates, let alone the candidates themselves).

Meanwhile, the adults can get on with running the game..
 

ground zero

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100% agree.

2 new expansion clubs and the Dragons to move to the south coast and another team to make the CC home and we have a different senerio
maybe the disgacefull drug cheating peptide sharks should be axed. an the dragons live forever.
 

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