ARLC Commission Changes

[El Diablo]

We should remove the states veto rights for a seat on the ARLC

well it seems the NSWRL have agreed to do that but the QRL hasn't which is holding things up

 

[El Diablo]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...e/news-story/42192ceb3fbed3f0b7ec132733361ace

Leaked emails lay bare fractured state of rugby league

• The Australian
• 12:00AM May 11, 2017
• Brent Read
  
  

The fractured state of the NRL has been laid bare by a pair of emails — one urging club powerbrokers to end their brawling and the other pouring scorn on the validity of an advisory group set up by ARL Commission chairman John Grant to give the clubs and states a greater say in the game’s future.

The Australia n understands North Queensland chairman Laurence Lancini was so frustrated with the battle between key figures at the clubs that he sent an email to his fellow chairs yesterday openly questioning why they were actively working against each other. He also suggested they were all being made to look like “gooses”.

Lancini failed to return calls yesterday but his plea for unity appears to have fallen on deaf ears as the clubs are split down the middle over the formation of an advisory group to give them greater insight into the workings of the ARL Commission.

The inaugural meeting took place yesterday with Brisbane chairman Dennis Watt representing the clubs. However, prior to the meeting an email was sent to the NRL from up to eight clubs suggesting that no one spoke on their behalf and they did not recognise the validity of the meeting.

Those same clubs held clandestine talks with the Rugby League Players Association on Tuesday, highlighting the divide among the most influential figures in the game.

The issue is set to come to a head next week when chief executives and chairs meet in Sydney to discuss the progress of negotiations with the players union over the collective bargaining agreement, including the salary cap.

The meeting appears certain to take place with a degree of enmity existing between officials from across the game.

It is understood several are upset that some clubs sought to meet the RLPA without informing their fellow chairs and the NRL, particularly with talks between the union and governing body at a sensitive stage. At the heart of the issue is the salary cap and the impact that will have on their grants — and as a result their profitability — from 2018 when new money enters the game through the broadcasting deal.

Under the agreement between the clubs and the commission, clubs will receive 130 per cent of total player payments up to $13 million, meaning if the player payments rise above $10m, it will begin to eat into that 30 per cent buffer.

The sense is that the clubs are on different pages over the proposed cap figure for next year and, as a result, those chasing a higher cap are attempting to align themselves with the RLPA.

The NRL has proposed a base cap of $8.3m, some way short of the RLPA’s counter-offer of $9.1m. The gulf between the NRL and RLPA is mirrored in clubland, where clubs have been operating on wildly disparate notional caps for next season.

The NRL has moved to bring the parties back to the table by calling key figures at all the clubs to a meeting next week.

It shapes as a challenge, given the current mood among the clubs, where the level of suspicion has continued to grow since the breakdown of talks over constitutional reform which would have resulted in them and the state leagues being given places on the ARL Commission.

When those talks reached a stalemate, Grant set up an advisory group to give the clubs and states a greater insight into the workings of the commission pending an agreement being reached on changes to the constitution.

The inaugural meeting of that body took place yesterday with only half the clubs represented. Cronulla chairman Damian Keogh was due to represent the other clubs but he was forced to step aside from his role with the Sharks when he was allegedly caught with cocaine. As a result, the clubs he was supposed to represent sent an email to the NRL outlining their lack of representation at the meeting.

The NSW and Queensland Rugby Leagues were represented and QRL chairman Bruce Hatcher insisted it was a worthwhile meeting. “I thought it was pretty positive,” Hatcher said. “(But) that forum won’t work unless we have all parties at the table.

“My word is consensus rather than winners and losers. I am really optimistic. I just want to work in the best interests of the game to remove the roadblocks.”

 

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gee, I wonder who the 8 clubs are... quite the representative they have too, couldn't be there because he was charged with coke possession.

 

[Pedge1971]

Pure specilation but my guess is represented clubs would include Broncos, Roosters, Dogs, Storm who would want a bigger cap.

Clearly Cronulla is in the have nots group given Keogh was meant to be their rep and prob the NRL owned clubs.

The middle of the road teams like Panthers, Raiders, Eels, Cows, Manly etc would fill out the remaining spots on either side.

Good on those clubs for shouting about the lack of representation. It is obvious which self serving clubs drive the NRL agenda.

 

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Pure specilation but my guess is represented clubs would include Broncos, Roosters, Dogs, Storm who would want a bigger cap.

Clearly Cronulla is in the have nots group given Keogh was meant to be their rep and prob the NRL owned clubs.

The middle of the road teams like Panthers, Raiders, Eels, Cows, Manly etc would fill out the remaining spots on either side.

Good on those clubs for shouting about the lack of representation. It is obvious which self serving clubs drive the NRL agenda.

The club split is the result of the commission changes collapsing due to one half of the clubs rejecting a proposal which would have seen the commission's independence eroded. It's basically Sydney clubs vs non-Sydney clubs, with the exceptions being the Wests Tigers & Parramatta who are aligned with the non-Sydney clubs, and Canberra who are aligned with the other 7 Sydney clubs. In March, in the wake of the commission changes collapsing, the Sydney club side held a meeting and didn't invite the other 8 clubs, they also met with the RLPA behind the back of the NRL & 8 other clubs. They refused to attend the recent meeting about forming a commission subcommittee and instead had planned to send Keogh as their representative, before he was arrested. It's the same chairs orchestrating it as have been since the commission was formed.

Everyone needs to grow up and start putting the game first, because there's no doubt its now hurting the game as energies are wasted on politics instead of growing the game.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...e/news-story/42192ceb3fbed3f0b7ec132733361ace

Leaked emails lay bare fractured state of rugby league

• The Australian
• 12:00AM May 11, 2017
• Brent Read
  
  

The fractured state of the NRL has been laid bare by a pair of emails — one urging club powerbrokers to end their brawling and the other pouring scorn on the validity of an advisory group set up by ARL Commission chairman John Grant to give the clubs and states a greater say in the game’s future.

The Australia n understands North Queensland chairman Laurence Lancini was so frustrated with the battle between key figures at the clubs that he sent an email to his fellow chairs yesterday openly questioning why they were actively working against each other. He also suggested they were all being made to look like “gooses”.

Lancini failed to return calls yesterday but his plea for unity appears to have fallen on deaf ears as the clubs are split down the middle over the formation of an advisory group to give them greater insight into the workings of the ARL Commission.

The inaugural meeting took place yesterday with Brisbane chairman Dennis Watt representing the clubs. However, prior to the meeting an email was sent to the NRL from up to eight clubs suggesting that no one spoke on their behalf and they did not recognise the validity of the meeting.

Those same clubs held clandestine talks with the Rugby League Players Association on Tuesday, highlighting the divide among the most influential figures in the game.

The issue is set to come to a head next week when chief executives and chairs meet in Sydney to discuss the progress of negotiations with the players union over the collective bargaining agreement, including the salary cap.

The meeting appears certain to take place with a degree of enmity existing between officials from across the game.

It is understood several are upset that some clubs sought to meet the RLPA without informing their fellow chairs and the NRL, particularly with talks between the union and governing body at a sensitive stage. At the heart of the issue is the salary cap and the impact that will have on their grants — and as a result their profitability — from 2018 when new money enters the game through the broadcasting deal.

Under the agreement between the clubs and the commission, clubs will receive 130 per cent of total player payments up to $13 million, meaning if the player payments rise above $10m, it will begin to eat into that 30 per cent buffer.

The sense is that the clubs are on different pages over the proposed cap figure for next year and, as a result, those chasing a higher cap are attempting to align themselves with the RLPA.

The NRL has proposed a base cap of $8.3m, some way short of the RLPA’s counter-offer of $9.1m. The gulf between the NRL and RLPA is mirrored in clubland, where clubs have been operating on wildly disparate notional caps for next season.

The NRL has moved to bring the parties back to the table by calling key figures at all the clubs to a meeting next week.

It shapes as a challenge, given the current mood among the clubs, where the level of suspicion has continued to grow since the breakdown of talks over constitutional reform which would have resulted in them and the state leagues being given places on the ARL Commission.

When those talks reached a stalemate, Grant set up an advisory group to give the clubs and states a greater insight into the workings of the commission pending an agreement being reached on changes to the constitution.

The inaugural meeting of that body took place yesterday with only half the clubs represented. Cronulla chairman Damian Keogh was due to represent the other clubs but he was forced to step aside from his role with the Sharks when he was allegedly caught with cocaine. As a result, the clubs he was supposed to represent sent an email to the NRL outlining their lack of representation at the meeting.

The NSW and Queensland Rugby Leagues were represented and QRL chairman Bruce Hatcher insisted it was a worthwhile meeting. “I thought it was pretty positive,” Hatcher said. “(But) that forum won’t work unless we have all parties at the table.

“My word is consensus rather than winners and losers. I am really optimistic. I just want to work in the best interests of the game to remove the roadblocks.”

I was bagged from pillar to post on here about sticking up for Grant and the commission back when the clubs were waging war in the media against the Nrl. This article goes some way to show the underhanded, selfish, agenda driven, childish and incompetent people that run these clubs. For all the bagging the Nrl executives cop from even diehard rl supporters on here, surely you have to see that even if a little bit of this article is true, it is disgusting that 1. This can leak to reporters and 2. The club Ceos are a bunch of amateurs.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Plot thickens..... Greenberg planted the drugs on Keogh so he could sack him from the committee and the 8 clubs wouldn't have representation. Waiting for that media report.

 

[Perth Red]

No-one does self mutilation quite as good as rugby league!

Far too much self-interest, power plays and ego's to ever have the clubs anywhere near the decision making for the game. This latest fiasco just confirms what we already know and they the Commission HAS to stay as independent as possible.

 

[LeagueXIII]

I was bagged from pillar to post on here about sticking up for Grant and the commission back when the clubs were waging war in the media against the Nrl. This article goes some way to show the underhanded, selfish, agenda driven, childish and incompetent people that run these clubs. For all the bagging the Nrl executives cop from even diehard rl supporters on here, surely you have to see that even if a little bit of this article is true, it is disgusting that 1. This can leak to reporters and 2. The club Ceos are a bunch of amateurs.

And you can include Dave Smith as a victim of the clubs because he wanted to bring them into line.

 

[adamkungl]

I was bagged from pillar to post on here about sticking up for Grant and the commission back when the clubs were waging war in the media against the Nrl. This article goes some way to show the underhanded, selfish, agenda driven, childish and incompetent people that run these clubs. For all the bagging the Nrl executives cop from even diehard rl supporters on here, surely you have to see that even if a little bit of this article is true, it is disgusting that 1. This can leak to reporters and 2. The club Ceos are a bunch of amateurs.

They're negotiating.
In the process some feathers will be ruffled.

Move along, nothing to see here.

Like seriously in what universe would someone expect the NRL board and 16 clubs to all immediately get along and point in exactly the same direction all the time.

 

[Captain Apollo]

And you can include Dave Smith as a victim of the clubs because he wanted to bring them into line.

The clubs?! It was News Ltd that got Smith. As soon as he was gone, Grant caved in to their demands on the TV rights which landed us with the 6pm Friday games. You should write history books for Donald Trump

 

[Stormwarrior82]

And you can include Dave Smith as a victim of the clubs because he wanted to bring them into line.

Absolutely agree.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

The clubs?! It was News Ltd that got Smith. As soon as he was gone, Grant caved in to their demands on the TV rights which landed us with the 6pm Friday games. You should write history books for Donald Trump

It was the Clubs also who leaked sensitive information to news ltd that helped With smith resignation. All through the tv deal process time after time he was undermined by the clubs which showed his inability as a boss which news ltd played on. To say otherwise is nieve. Which you seem to be.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

They're negotiating.
In the process some feathers will be ruffled.

Move along, nothing to see here.

Like seriously in what universe would someone expect the NRL board and 16 clubs to all immediately get along and point in exactly the same direction all the time.

I agree that's it's a negotiation, but the clubs continually made negotiations public by leaking to there media mates to help there position which is undermining the negotiating process. They were ruffling more than feathers. If you believe that's ok, fair enough, but I dont think that's right and professional at all.

 

[Perth Red]

The clubs are at odds with each other AND the NRL. What negotiations lol

 

[LeagueXIII]

The clubs?! It was News Ltd that got Smith. As soon as he was gone, Grant caved in to their demands on the TV rights which landed us with the 6pm Friday games. You should write history books for Donald Trump

Get yourself a dose of cynicism and don't believe everything the media tell you. The clubs leaked information to News Ltd which undermined Smith bringing pressure upon him and in the end his resignation.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

The clubs are at odds with each other AND the NRL. What negotiations lol

I was just making the point that the article proves to a degree my argument. At the end of last year, I was arguing with a few on here about the nrl and club MOU issue and they blamed the nrl hierarchy holy and souly. Those were the negotions we are talking about. And to a lesser extent the smith resignation

 

[Cumberland Throw]

Players have one of the best job in the world on pretty decent cash.. paid to keep fit with mates traveling the country

If parlayed correctly u can set yourself up for life .. even if its just on your name alone

Would you really care if you got $320 k instead of $345k per annum ??

 

[taipan]

Any negotiations involving many millions of dollars, is not going to be concluded overnight.
Especially when each club is looking after its own backyard, and the NRL is supposedly looking after everyone's backyard from juniors through to the reps.
Self interest,egos,always play their part.
Like any major conflict when peace finally arrives, there are winners and losers in a compromise..The one with the bigger whip hand usually gets more.And that should be the head body, else the Indians run the show.

Sheesh even the fumbler PA has not reached agreement with their head body, started last year..Cricket Australiahave had a decent stoush with their players still unsolved.Ditto A League.And rugby union well if the cupboard's bare, the mice don't get a look in.

What's also got to be remembered every time a player stuffs up and boy have we had our share last weekend,the admin has to placate sponsors, media et al.When in fact they should be spending time ,researching getting the salary cap nailed down and grassroots funding ticked off.

I'd like $50(for every $1,000 in legal costs) for every time a player stuffs up .How much money is wasted by clubs and how much time, in clearing this crap up?
We should rename the comp the NRRL.National Rugby Lawyer's League.

Billy"What do you want to be when you grow up?" " A sport's lawyer specialising in rugby league off field incidents,better than being a player manager financially."

 

[El Diablo]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...s/news-story/af5ec0b9345e09b8bb129fe3d934cbf3

$16M LURE FOR GRANT TO GO

DESPERATE NRL clubs are preparing to offer a $16 million incentive for John Grant to quit as chairman of the independent commission.

A meeting of the 16 club chairs in Sydney on Tuesday will consider accepting a $12 million grant next year — instead of the original $13 million — but only if Grant steps down to end years of financial wastage in the game.

The deal would put the commission boss in a position where he had no choice but to go. Under the proposal the $1 million the clubs are prepared to sacrifice would be paid to them over the next five years when the NRL’s cash flow problems improve.