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ARLC Commission Changes

Stormwarrior82

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they had Samuel before who was a loss and quit after Dave Smith went rogue with the TV rights

Your right he quit but it wasn’t because of going rogue but because of the backlash Grant copped. Grant didn’t go rogue like you say. It was clearly a decision the Nrl tv deal team made due to wanting to get a deal done before the afl. But fox were delaying the Nrl and the decision was made. If the Nrl stuck to there guns I think it would of turned out alright. Fox needs Nrl more than the other way round. But due to media and club pressure the Nrl was forced to backtrack which made the initial decision a bad move.

The commissioners that have/are leaving, all say the same thing. Do any of you in this forum actually think that the infighting/manipulation/agenda driven antics are starting from front office? All the INDEPENDANT commissioners don’t think so and I’ll trust them over a club boss any day.
 

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Peter V’landys and Glen Selikowitz two club-nominated directors for new-look ARL Commission

THE ARL Commission is close to finalising its two new directors following a vote of the 16 NRL clubs in Sydney on Thursday night.

NRL.com is reporting that Racing NSW chief executive Peter V’landys was unanimously voted in by all 16 NRL clubs while Sydney lawyer Glen Selikowitz received 10 votes compared to the six that went to former Collingwood Magpies boss Gary Pert.

Although their appointment to the new-look Commission is expected to be formalised at the annual general meeting on February 21, there is still the chance the club-appointed directors are denied a place if changes to the constitution agreed upon last year is blocked by at least two clubs.

The sweeping changes to the ARL Commission are due to the NRL clubs demanding a greater say at rugby league’s most influential table but the process has encountered a number of hiccups along the way.

V’landys has been the prime target for the clubs since the changes were proposed but a second club-appointed director had to be sought after former Broncos chairman Dennis Watt took up a similar position at the Gold Coast Titans rather than a place on the commission.

John Grant, chairman of the commission since its inception in February 2012, will vacate his post at the AGM with former Queensland premier Peter Beattie the chairman-elect.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...n/news-story/27aade47dc7aa6dd97ff90e567d4a824

Interesting that the vote for the second person was 10-6. Just so happens to be 10 Sydney teams and 6 outside. Coincidence? Seems like the Sydney powerbrokers may have 3 new commissioners. Another reason expansion needs to happen sooner rather than later.
 

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Your right he quit but it wasn’t because of going rogue but because of the backlash Grant copped. Grant didn’t go rogue like you say. It was clearly a decision the Nrl tv deal team made due to wanting to get a deal done before the afl. But fox were delaying the Nrl and the decision was made. If the Nrl stuck to there guns I think it would of turned out alright. Fox needs Nrl more than the other way round. But due to media and club pressure the Nrl was forced to backtrack which made the initial decision a bad move.

The commissioners that have/are leaving, all say the same thing. Do any of you in this forum actually think that the infighting/manipulation/agenda driven antics are starting from front office? All the INDEPENDANT commissioners don’t think so and I’ll trust them over a club boss any day.

Smith didn't quit lol he was clearly sacrificed. Sure he said it was time to move on but nobody in his position leaves mid deal. Its also incredibly naïve to think Smith did anything without the commissions ok in negotiating and signing the deal with Nine before finalizing the Fox part of the deal.

Murdoch spat his dummy because Nine got some of their pie, Grant and the commissioners knees buckled and Smith was the sacrificial lamb offered up to News ltd. It was, sadly, our first look at how weak the commission were. Hopefully this next iteration of the commission is more visionary, proactive and strong.
 

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So in other words he didn’t like how the channel nine sale went which fair enough. He would be privy to a lot more than what we know and there could be a number of reason for his opinion. Was he in the tv deal team and wanted to be? Let’s just remember he finally left when the clubs had a whinge about how much they wanted.
Samuel negotiated the previous deal and managed to get Fox and 9 to get rid of their first and last rights for future deals

then Smith f**ks up the next deal by going rogue and getting schooled by Gyngell
 

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I understand why Vlandys was always being put forward when an ARLC spot opened up. The clubs wanted their stooge in place and were pushing him in the press.

Interesting that the vote for the second person was 10-6. Just so happens to be 10 Sydney teams and 6 outside. Coincidence? Seems like the Sydney powerbrokers may have 3 new commissioners. Another reason expansion needs to happen sooner rather than later.

I think, now that clubs have some power, they are gonna be at each others throats on how to use it...

I think youre probably right on the Sydney VS rest break-up. Hopefully this will see a push for expansion/relocation to even this up a bit.
 

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Smith didn't quit lol he was clearly sacrificed. Sure he said it was time to move on but nobody in his position leaves mid deal. Its also incredibly naïve to think Smith did anything without the commissions ok in negotiating and signing the deal with Nine before finalizing the Fox part of the deal.

Murdoch spat his dummy because Nine got some of their pie, Grant and the commissioners knees buckled and Smith was the sacrificial lamb offered up to News ltd. It was, sadly, our first look at how weak the commission were. Hopefully this next iteration of the commission is more visionary, proactive and strong.

The point was when Smith announced the 9 TV deal, instead of News, no other commissioners were in attendance at the Press conference.In fact Smith was on his Pat Malone.Hardly a show of overwhelming support for his decision or in fact if the Commission majority thought it was a great idea.
 

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I still doubt that the changes to the constitution will be ratified in their current form, it will only take two clubs to vote against it and when there are six voting for someone else to represent them there is obviously a split already amongst the clubs & a concern about protecting their interests. If they don't get the right changes those six clubs will be forever sidelined because they won't have the votes to change the constitution again.
 

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Interesting that the vote for the second person was 10-6. Just so happens to be 10 Sydney teams and 6 outside. Coincidence? Seems like the Sydney powerbrokers may have 3 new commissioners. Another reason expansion needs to happen sooner rather than later.
The 10 Sydney/6 others split appears to be NSW vs the rest. IMO

Somehow if the 6 can separate Newcastle from Sydney, you get a 9-7 split. Add in 2 expansion clubs (say Brisbane and Perth for argument sake) and you get your 9/9 split and things become a lot less Sydney centric for Dibb, Politis and co
 

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https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/02/09/constitutional-reform-facing-collapse-as-clubs-go-to-war/


Constitutional reform facing collapse as clubs turn on each other

Michael Chammas Chief Reporter
Fri 9 Feb 2018, 05:48 PM

Some disgruntled NRL clubs are contemplating standing against the constitutional reform, creating fear among other teams that the two commission candidates elected on Thursday won't be given a chance to influence the future of the sport.

Racing NSW chief executive Peter V'landys (16 votes) and Sydney lawyer Glen Selikowitz (10 votes) won out over former Collingwood Magpies boss Gary Pert (6 votes) for the two club-appointed commission roles that were this month meant to be introduced as part of the reform agreed upon last year.

The problem is some clubs have been rethinking their position the past few months. It only takes two clubs to vote against the reform at the February 21 annual general meeting and it will all come crashing down.

The clubs now reconsidering their position believe certain club chairs made alterations to the reform document without consent of all 16 NRL clubs.

It is understood certain club chairs negotiated with the NSWRL and QRL on behalf of the clubs, reaching a position without the blessing of the clubs likely to oppose the notion of empowering the states.

One of the biggest gripes is a belief the changes put forward won't conserve the independence of the decision making in the sport.

"It takes away the independent function of the commission," one chair said.

"The two states have all the power which is very dangerous. That's not what we agreed to. We all supported constitutional reform, we all wanted to work together, but not at any cost."

ARL Commission chairman John Grant sent out an email to all clubs on Thursday, notifying them that the vote for constitutional reform would be a secret ballot.

The decision to make it a secret ballot has angered some clubs, who believe the outgoing chair is making it easier for clubs to veto the reform. However, Grant believes it’s the fairest method.

"The Commission has enthusiastically contributed to the governance review and consistently ensured every member is fully informed of the Commission’s thinking as it forms its view,” Grant said.

"Once each member has formed its final position, they have a right to express that in a vote as we all do when we elect our governments – privately and independently. Hence the secret ballot.

"Given the Commission has been advised that all members are supportive of the new constitution, there should be no concern at the ballot being secret."

It is believed the lack of support for Pert has also added to the frustrations of those sceptical chairs, who now believe the best interest of the game is being overlooked in favour of personal agendas.

The clubs were originally united on having two club-appointed commissioners introduced to the ARLC board, agreeing candidates with knowledge and experience in clubland would be the ideal nominees to represent them on the commission.

Given the Commission has been advised that all members are supportive of the new constitution, there should be no concern at the ballot being secret.

However Pert, who has the most experience at a football club of the three candidates, received the least votes and consequently raised alarm bells with certain clubs.

"I think it's disappointing a candidate with Gary's skillset and knowledge and success in clubland couldn’t get him on to our commission," one chair told NRL.com.

"I hope to think in the future he may well be considered as a candidate as an independent commissioner."

The clubs have fought for so long to have a seat at the table. Now that they have received an invitation, politics and self-interest threaten to have those seats taken away from them.

If just two clubs oppose the reform vote, the ARL Commission will fill two positions to fill the outgoing John Grant and Cathy Harris with independent directors, denying the clubs of the voice they've fought so hard to gain.
 

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https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...n/news-story/b30f0094333221dae231466b5c03ec03

ARL Commission Chairman John Grant has slammed aspects of the new-look constitution

MICHAEL CARAYANNIS, The Daily Telegraph
February 9, 2018 7:07pm


OUTGOING ARL Commission chairman John Grant’s final act could force the game into a bitter civil war.

A period of uncertainty and confusion looms for rugby league with the game’s constitutional reform on the brink of imploding, bringing down 12 months work.

It was thought that Racing NSW boss Peter V’landys and Sydney lawyer Glen Selikowitz would join the ARL Commission after being endorsed by the clubs on Friday morning.

However, their appointments — plus those of state-based representatives George Peponis and Bruce Hatcher — are now uncertain after Grant slammed aspects of the new-look constitution while also proposing a secret ballot when the club’s vote to adopt the new constitution at the AGM on February 21.

It is seen by some within the game as a move by Grant to block the reform, with just two

clubs needing to put a halt to the revamped Commission. It means the frosty relationship that Grant has with some club powerbrokers will remain until the bitter end.

It is understood the Tigers, New Zealand, Gold Coast and Melbourne have expressed concerns regarding constitutional change.

In an email sent to club chairs on Friday and obtained by The Saturday Telegraph, Grant claims the 16-clubs had “failed” to deliver a new constitution which was “a representative of the future not the past, being modern in its expression, and being one that defines a workable, efficient and effective governance environment for the governing body of rugby league in Australia.”

South Sydney chairman Nick Pappas — — who oversaw the club’s process — fired back an email labelling Grant’s criticism as “gratuitous commentary”.

There were also thoughts Grant could extend his tenure if the changes are blocked with one club boss declaring Grant’s political manoeuvring reeks of desperation.

“This is John Grant’s last minute shot at glory,” the club boss said. “He’s pissed off a lot of club executives with this desperate move.”

However, Grant ridiculed this suggestion describing it as “delusional”.

“Under no circumstances will I be staying on after the 21st,” Grant told The Daily Telegraph. “I can categorically rule that out. It is not going to happen.

“I don’t understand what anyone’s concerns will be (regarding a secret ballot). People have a right to vote. They have a right to vote as they think.”

Under the constitutional reform, the number of independent commissioners will be cut from eight to six, with the states and clubs to have two representatives apiece on a 10-person body. If the move is blocked, the Commission will be reduced to six people before they start their search to replace Grant and fellow outgoing Commissioner Catherine Harris with two independent nominations. Peter Beattie, who joined the Commission last year, will be the game’s new chair next month.

V’landys was unanimously voted in, receiving the vote of all 16 NRL clubs while Selikowitz received the minimum 10 votes he needed to receive the club’s endorsement. He edged out former Collingwood Magpies boss Gary Pert who received six votes.

There could be further ramifications if the constitution reform is blocked with suggestions the game’s $3 million emergency fund — paid for by the clubs — could be linked to a revamped constitution.
 

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https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/02/09/constitutional-reform-facing-collapse-as-clubs-go-to-war/


Constitutional reform facing collapse as clubs turn on each other

Michael Chammas Chief Reporter
Fri 9 Feb 2018, 05:48 PM

Some disgruntled NRL clubs are contemplating standing against the constitutional reform, creating fear among other teams that the two commission candidates elected on Thursday won't be given a chance to influence the future of the sport.

Racing NSW chief executive Peter V'landys (16 votes) and Sydney lawyer Glen Selikowitz (10 votes) won out over former Collingwood Magpies boss Gary Pert (6 votes) for the two club-appointed commission roles that were this month meant to be introduced as part of the reform agreed upon last year.

The problem is some clubs have been rethinking their position the past few months. It only takes two clubs to vote against the reform at the February 21 annual general meeting and it will all come crashing down.

The clubs now reconsidering their position believe certain club chairs made alterations to the reform document without consent of all 16 NRL clubs.

It is understood certain club chairs negotiated with the NSWRL and QRL on behalf of the clubs, reaching a position without the blessing of the clubs likely to oppose the notion of empowering the states.

One of the biggest gripes is a belief the changes put forward won't conserve the independence of the decision making in the sport.

"It takes away the independent function of the commission," one chair said.

"The two states have all the power which is very dangerous. That's not what we agreed to. We all supported constitutional reform, we all wanted to work together, but not at any cost."

ARL Commission chairman John Grant sent out an email to all clubs on Thursday, notifying them that the vote for constitutional reform would be a secret ballot.

The decision to make it a secret ballot has angered some clubs, who believe the outgoing chair is making it easier for clubs to veto the reform. However, Grant believes it’s the fairest method.

"The Commission has enthusiastically contributed to the governance review and consistently ensured every member is fully informed of the Commission’s thinking as it forms its view,” Grant said.

"Once each member has formed its final position, they have a right to express that in a vote as we all do when we elect our governments – privately and independently. Hence the secret ballot.

"Given the Commission has been advised that all members are supportive of the new constitution, there should be no concern at the ballot being secret."

It is believed the lack of support for Pert has also added to the frustrations of those sceptical chairs, who now believe the best interest of the game is being overlooked in favour of personal agendas.

The clubs were originally united on having two club-appointed commissioners introduced to the ARLC board, agreeing candidates with knowledge and experience in clubland would be the ideal nominees to represent them on the commission.

Given the Commission has been advised that all members are supportive of the new constitution, there should be no concern at the ballot being secret.

However Pert, who has the most experience at a football club of the three candidates, received the least votes and consequently raised alarm bells with certain clubs.

"I think it's disappointing a candidate with Gary's skillset and knowledge and success in clubland couldn’t get him on to our commission," one chair told NRL.com.

"I hope to think in the future he may well be considered as a candidate as an independent commissioner."

The clubs have fought for so long to have a seat at the table. Now that they have received an invitation, politics and self-interest threaten to have those seats taken away from them.

If just two clubs oppose the reform vote, the ARL Commission will fill two positions to fill the outgoing John Grant and Cathy Harris with independent directors, denying the clubs of the voice they've fought so hard to gain.

Who called it?

Oh yeh, this guy.... :cool:
 

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It's not Grant in this instance imo, there's an obvious club split, those outside NSW & Wests Tigers who voted for Pert, vs the rest of the nsw clubs. The process of constitutional reform has been a shambles from the start and it's pretty damning for the game that these same powerbrokers will get a seat at the table. If the clubs & states can't agree on constitutional reform after a year, and are still manoeuvring against each other, what hope has the game got with them at the commission table? It's inviting division, factionalism and ineffective governance. The worst part of it is once they are there it will be next to impossible to remove them, or wind back their influence, because the states can just veto any changes. The whole process is evidence of the need for an independent commission, just find a better way to nominate commissioners and remove the three year independence test.
 
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ARL Commission chairman John Grant sent out an email to all clubs on Thursday, notifying them that the vote for constitutional reform would be a secret ballot.

The decision to make it a secret ballot has angered some clubs, who believe the outgoing chair is making it easier for clubs to veto the reform. However, Grant believes it’s the fairest method.


If they are so confident that their reforms are good, why are they afraid of a private vote?

Maybe the big club bosses are worried they wont be able to arm-break their way to success and this will give the little guys cover to go against the clubland warlords....
 

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ARL Commission chairman John Grant sent out an email to all clubs on Thursday, notifying them that the vote for constitutional reform would be a secret ballot.

The decision to make it a secret ballot has angered some clubs, who believe the outgoing chair is making it easier for clubs to veto the reform. However, Grant believes it’s the fairest method.


If they are so confident that their reforms are good, why are they afraid of a private vote?

Maybe the big club bosses are worried they wont be able to arm-break their way to success and this will give the little guys cover to go against the clubland warlords....
Pretty much, and also so they know who to attack/lobby.
 

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you have no idea who voted for who

Obviously it is impossible to know who voted for whom, and a Sydney vs rest is too clear cut to be what really happened; some Sydney clubs will have sided with the Expansion clubs and some of the expansion clubs wil have sided with the Sdney faction.

Still, the Sydney V rest is the obvious split. I think what we will see is a few clubs around the edges of each faction jumping between the two for personal benefit (its what always happens in politics)
 

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