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TheParraboy

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Think Pat misses the first test

Good thing is, there is Shield games just before the first test if he is right by then and want to get some rhythm and game time in...Errily think he may miss a lot more than one test this summer


The prospect of Pat Cummins being fit for the first Test of the Ashes appears not so promising after the Australian captain spoke about his back injury on Wednesday.

On Tuesday, chairman of selectors George Bailey all but guaranteed Cummins would be fit to take on England in the series-opener after it was revealed he was struggling with a "hot spot" in his back.

But Cummins has since spoken about his injury with far less assurance just over two months out from the opening Test, to be played in Perth from November 21.

"That would be devastating," Cummins said when asked if there was a possibility he may not play in Perth.

"We'll be doing everything we can to be right for that, [and] make a few decisions a little bit closer, but [I'm] confident we'll do the rehab right and give it a good crack.

"This far out it's hard to know, but we're trying to make sure we're doing everything right to be right for Perth.

"It's a big Ashes series, [it] doesn't get much bigger, so you're willing to be aggressive and take a few risks to try to play as much of the Tests as you can."

Cummins also revealed the back scan he had on Monday was the second he'd undergone since touring the West Indies across June and July.

He's been cleared of a fracture but the "hot spot" has him under an injury cloud.

" was a little bit sore after the West Indies [tour], had a scan, [and] there was a little bit going on, gave it another month, [and I] have had a bit of a quiet month to help it settle down," Cummins said.

" had another scan on Monday, which was not terrible, but enough to know there's a little bit there and [that I] need to be careful for the next little bit. It doesn't feel too bad, but I'm not bowling or doing much at the moment.

"Sometimes you may just get unlucky and you bowl lots of overs in, say, the World Test Championship final, and that's enough to start it, but through the West Indies [tour] I felt like it was a little sore, but nothing [unusual] for a fast bowler.

"But once you get home and everything settles down, it hung around a little bit."
 

Fangs

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Horses for courses. Unleash Lance Morris.

I'd say unleash Jhye Richardson but he will probably injured himself just walking out of the pavilion.
 

Bazal

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Horses for courses. Unleash Lance Morris.

I'd say unleash Jhye Richardson but he will probably injured himself just walking out of the pavilion.

Lonnie Morton is busted

Bring on the Ferginator
 

mozza91

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Age aside I still think Neser is our next best quick.
Boland, Morris, Bartlett also good options.
 

TheParraboy

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Think with Green back bowling we can afford to debut a rookie

Would mean end of Bolands test career id imagine ?

Lance Morris is on the contracted CA list, and IMO think selectors see him in the test team soonish, pity he is out busted for the year

Ellis and Bartlett are the other two non test players on the CA list. Though I suspect Ellis wont be in test calculations

If his body was guarantee to hold, Jhye Richardson would be a great inclusion

Doggett has that pace which could be tempting. Fergus ONeill has been brilliant

Selectors probably go Boland

I think we have decent bowling group to take us through the next 10 years. Just got to unearth/find some good top 4 bats, particularly openers
 

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Pat out for the first two tests isn’t a disaster imo. Boland can still take poles in Aus and will be able to fill in. Brisbane is a pink ball test so Starc will be the key here. When Pat is back for Adelaide you can rotate the quicks around for the final three tests.

The English bowling isn’t great and outside of a couple their batting isn’t too good either. If we can sort our top order out we will be fine.
 

Chins

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Pat out for the first two tests isn’t a disaster imo. Boland can still take poles in Aus and will be able to fill in. Brisbane is a pink ball test so Starc will be the key here. When Pat is back for Adelaide you can rotate the quicks around for the final three tests.

The English bowling isn’t great and outside of a couple their batting isn’t too good either. If we can sort our top order out we will be fine.
The only upside would be people crying about Smiffy captaining
 
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The only upside would be people crying about Smiffy captaining
Would give the Poms a platform for one of their spirit of cricket garbage diatribes, which is always entertaining. They’re a special kind of sanctimonious when India, Australia and Pakistan are all United in taking the piss.
 

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Would give the Poms a platform for one of their spirit of cricket garbage diatribes, which is always entertaining. They’re a special kind of sanctimonious when India, Australia and Pakistan are all United in taking the piss.
And Smith would play even better.
 

Bazal

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Seriously Fergus O'Neill has a FC bowling average of 20.03. And he can bat

Get him in
 

Fangs

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It'll be Boland.

Fergie did have a very good county stint this year however. 21 wickets in 4 matches for Nottinghamshire. He was leading the competition for wickets until he headed back to AU.
 

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Boland has done a great job. Cult status

But he's f**ken 36. We've got an aging attack who could all retire within a couple of seasons and he's older than them already. Deadset if we don't start getting some youth in there we are actually taking the piss.
 

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Boland has done a great job. Cult status

But he's f**ken 36. We've got an aging attack who could all retire within a couple of seasons and he's older than them already. Deadset if we don't start getting some youth in there we are actually taking the piss.

Its been a problem for ages now.

I know its a great attack but we've had so many chances to give other guys a shot and refused. We took over Sean Abbott to the West Indies and he is 33.
 

TheParraboy

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Doggett seems next in line...after Boland

No probs here, the guy has had an amazing last couple of years,and has some heat to him
Rhino reckons he is ready


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Brendan Doggett is in the "prime of his career" and has been backed by his South Australia coach Ryan Harris to be able to step into Test cricket during the Ashes if needed.

Doggett was part of the Australia Test squad last season, having first been called up back in 2018 for a series against Pakistan in the UAE, and was a traveling reserve for the World Test Championship final against South Africa.

He had been due to tour the West Indies before being withdrawn because of a hip injury but is on track to start the season for the double defending champions although from there will have his workload managed in conjunction with the Australia set-up.

The depth of Australia's pace bowling has been brought firmly into view with Pat Cummins' back injury, and while Scott Boland will be the next in line for a spot in the startling XI, Doggett is likely only one more injury away from a debut.

"He's had a really good winter," Harris told ESPNcricinfo. "He came back from the World Test Championship with a couple of niggles [but] he had good time to let them heal.

"He had a really good programme that he was following and he was diligent. We didn't take him to Darwin in our pre-season camp and let him just get himself right down here.

"We've got a couple of trial games [this week] which he'll bowl some good overs in. But what I've seen in training, he's up and about. He's ready to go. He's bowling fast and he's moving the ball, which is good. He'll definitely start for us."

Doggett's elevation to the Test squad last season came on the back of a career-best 6 for 15 against India A in Mackay. He capped his summer with a career-best match haul of 11 wickets in the Sheffield Shield final, where South Australia secured the title with victory over Queensland, to finish with 44 first-class wickets at 20.56 which followed 32 wickets at 21.90 the previous season.

"He's definitely ready [for Test cricket]," Harris said. "[With] his mind, I think, and the confidence he has now in his game. He was a bit mixed [up] probably a couple of years ago where he was trying to swing it and he wasn't trying to swing it, but he's worked it all out.

"He knows what he needs to do. He knows when he has step it up and bowl quick and knows he can control his pace. He's in the prime of his career now. There's no doubt that if Brendan gets a call, I have absolute full confidence in that he can go in and do a good job in that team."

There will be a balancing act for the selectors in the lead-up to the Ashes in ensuring the fast bowlers in the mix have enough work to be ready while avoiding pushing them too far.

It is expected that Mitchell Starc and Josh Hazlewood will combine the ODIs against India with potentially one Sheffield Shield game for New South Wales before the first Test, while Boland is expected to play at least two four-day games for Victoria. Lance Morris, who would have been in the frame, has been ruled out for 12 months after undergoing back surgery.
 

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