Associate Nations.

[skeepe]

what is the point in having a world cup if its not the world teams ?

how are they ever going to progress ?

dickheads

If they do this to the World Cup, what's the point of the Champions Trophy?

 

[African Monkey]

If they do this to the World Cup, what's the point of the Champions Trophy?

Exactly. Getting rid of the associate nations makes no sense at all.

 

[Marshall_magic]

They f**ked up big time with WC2007.

They only wanted to have four teams in each group, so they could get the three group games out of the way before the bloated Super 8s came in, where you'd have to play six more games just to make the semis. That would have been fine if it all went "to plan" for the Subbies.

But India and Pakistan lost and were out of the tournament over a month before the final.

Now we're back to the much more favourable (ie. you can lose a game or two and not be knocked out) like in 2003, but even then that's not enough to guarantee a slice of the pie.

I propose that for 2015, we just play a massive round robin, home and away, 18 games each, and the best team has the honour of losing to India in the final.

merkins.

The 2007 world cup format was a joke. At a point around halfway through the 8 team round robin nobody gave a f**k anymore because it had gone on way too long. Having to play 9 games just to get to the semis is ridiculous.

 

[TheParraboy]

http://www.sportspundit.com/article/6584/

10-team cricket World Cup from 2015?

Even as the tenth edition of the World Cup gets underway at Dhaka today, the minnow nations would be worried. According to the latest ICC ruling, there has been a decision taken to go into the next World Cup with only ten sides instead of the 14 teams and that will mean that the Associates could be given a boot

The unsurprising thing was the response to this decision from all the Associate countries who called this decision wrong and against the ICC ethos of developing the game in the various countries around the world.

According to the ICC chief executive Haroon Lorgat, the decision was taken in order to allow the Associates to grow in the T20 tournaments while making room for more quality in the 50-overs tournament. Lorgat said that the ICC’s decision was based on the fact that they thought that the best way to spread the game was through the T20 way and they had hence decided to increase the number of teams in the T20 World Cup from 12 to 16 from the next edition.

However, there was wide outrage from the minnows. The chief executive of the Kenyan Association said that the decision was scandalous and he had no intention of being diplomatic about it.

There were other dissenting voices as well, with Canadian coach Pubudu Dassanayake slamming the decision as well, apart from even the likes of Shaun Tait, AB de Villiers and Graeme Swann, who have expressed their surprise.

 

[TheParraboy]

can this thread be merged with Timbos, didnt realise it was about the same thing pretty much

 

[Dragon]

Interesting reading Timbo. The ICC are a disgrace. Reckon there is any way the non sub-continent nations can come together and put and end to this corruption?

 

[Timbo]

Interesting reading Timbo. The ICC are a disgrace. Reckon there is any way the non sub-continent nations can come together and put and end to this corruption?

Unfortunately, no.

South Africa and The Windies have been recieving World T20s and World Cups because they vote unquestionably for what the 4 subcontinental sides want. Zimbabwe vote that way in order to not get expelled as a full member.

So many important votes over the last decade have gone 7-3.

Ireland is in a stronger position on-field and off field than Bangladesh was in '99. But the perception is they'd vote with the Aus-NZ-Eng bloc and weaken the subcontinents voting power.

The ICC (BCCI) doesn't give a rip about the growth of the game, just their pockets.

 

[African Monkey]

Ireland is in a stronger position on-field and off field than Bangladesh was in '99. But the perception is they'd vote with the Aus-NZ-Eng bloc and weaken the subcontinents voting power.

That's exactly right. Bangladesh didn't even have a FC competition when given test status from memory.

I don't know enough about how Ireland are going off the field, but on the field, they have some very good players in county cricket such as Rankin, Niall O'Brien and Porterfield who can make their team more than competitive. Unfortunately, it sounds like Rankin is on the English radar, meaning that Ireland will lose him to England just like how Morgan and joyce (altough he has returned) ended up playing for England.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Bangladesh were only ever given full test status so they could have a vote for the Asian bloc otherwise there was no logical reason for them have been allowed to have it and over a decade on they're still as crap as they've ever been.

How can Eoin Morgan play for England when he has already played for Ireland? Ed Joyce is only back playing for Ireland because he can't get a game with England which is a f**king joke, I can understand the very special circumstances with Wessels and South Africa but to have possibly the best associate nation deprived of their best player is a joke how can they ever go forward if they don't play anyone regularly and if their best players are poached even after they play international cricket?

It would be nice if there were first class tournaments where a full strength Ireland can play Australia A both countries would benefit greatly for it and the Champions Trophy could be a mixture of associates like Kenya, Ireland, Canada, Netherlands and 'A' teams from the full test nations that way the associates still get their experience and top line players aren't over burdened with another tournament and it can be a chance to give youngsters a go. It'll never happen because it won't bring in the rupees. Too bad India didn't f**k off when they threatened to and the power shift can be traced directly back to the Muralitharan chucking saga, the ICC buckled and that's the day the BCCI took over.

If they do this to the World Cup, what's the point of the Champions Trophy?

There's no point to the Champions Trophy anyway it's the biggest waste of space in the calendar.

 

[Timbo]

Canada you can keep, but Ireland and Holland play to this standard with XIs comprised mainly of players born and raised in their respective countries.

Canada is virtually all ex-pats, but if this is the standard Holland gives you with locally born and raised players, the ICC needs to give itself a massive uppercut for not wanting them at the world cup.

Yes, you get the occasional ex-pat (Cooper, Nannes) but ten of the XI are usually locals.

ICC are muppets.

 

[Red Bear]

Netherlands tonight showing how f**king stupid and short sighted the ICC has become

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Canada you can keep, but Ireland and Holland play to this standard with XIs comprised mainly of players born and raised in their respective countries.

Canada is virtually all ex-pats, but if this is the standard Holland gives you with locally born and raised players, the ICC needs to give itself a massive uppercut for not wanting them at the world cup.

Yes, you get the occasional ex-pat (Cooper, Nannes) but ten of the XI are usually locals.

ICC are muppets.

Only 4 of the 11 in the Netherlands team tonight are actually Dutch (4 South Africans, 1 Pakistani, Kiwi and Aussie) but atleast they can play.

 

[franklin2323]

As I said in the Eng v Hol thread. 3/4 of these countries are developed countries and are in areas we aren't settled.

THe ICC need to set up a list of what thses countries need to get in. Whether it is under 19 teams and domestic 1st class, a board with financial backing or whatever we need to plan to add more countries.

While e are at it when is Zimbabwe able to re-apply?? If it was SL or Pakistan they would be back in by now

 

[Timbo]

Give Ireland test status tomorrow. That was brilliant.

 

[Twizzle]

and give Morgan back to Ireland to strengthen them even more

come to think of it, take the non poms out of the pommie team and see if they would still have test status

 

[griffo346]

exactly twizzle isnt cook irish too?

 

[Timbo]

Nah, Cook is a Pom.

Interesting article on Cricinfo today from one of the senior Irish players (Johnston I think) saying quite bluntly they aren't ready for test status.

What he is calling for - and what people on this forum have been saying is needed for years - is for regular tours of Ireland by the full member countries and for Ireland to be able to tour full member countries to play regular T20 internationals, ODI's and 'tests' which I imagine would be 4 dayers against 'A' teams.

Also, he says proper help is needed in establishing a first class competition. I wonder if it wouldn't be more prudent in approaching the ECB with the view of expanding the county championship with the addition of, say, 4 Irish counties? Cricket is strongest in Belfast, Derry, Dublin and Cork so 4 teams based out of these places could conceivably succeed.

In anycase, The ICC needs to strike when the iron is hot and do something about this now.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

I agree 100% on sending A tours and having Ireland go around the world playing ODI's against test nations, what good is it having the associates all play each other? You don't improve by continually playing Kenya.

 

[Pete Cash]

Ireland has done more on the field than Bangladesh did but I think the idea of them touring other countries and playing A matches for a few years is the best. Maybe every side touring England should play the Irish in an ODI and a first class match ? with the Irish doing regular tours.

Irish cricket has so much potential. They are struggling against India on this sh*tty pitch but if you look at their batsmen they are all fairly solid in technique. Seems mind boggling to me the ICC isn't jumping all over Ireland to expand the game.

 

[IanG]

Give Ireland test status tomorrow. That was brilliant.

Sadly it wont happend because they would side with the Anglo Austro block