Attention Idiots who love wringing their hands about "bad crowds" in the NRL.

[t-ba]

I think within 5 years we should be looking to get rid of sub 10K crowds all together and i think that is achievable.

I don't we will start miraculously pulling AFL type crowds but i think within 5 years things will have improved a decent amount (guess we can only wait and see).

Na, rubbish teams always bottom out on the crowds front. There's a couple of Melbourne sides in the AFL crowds that have played in front of crowds that must have had a few thousand in the concourse at the 'G when they pulled 11,000 officially.

A more realistic aim would be to eliminate matches between Sydney clubs that draw less than 10,000.

 

[Perth Red]

Avg crowd has barely changed in 7 years. Mediocrity is nothing to applaud.

 

[Nightward]

35k ish tonight at Suncorp was abysmal. Not because it's a bad figure in and of itself, but because it was Petero's last game. Such a long-standing servant of League and the Broncos should have been able to go out with a packed house, but the constant decision to to play Friday night games keeps the crowds down. If that was on a Sunday afternoon, you could easily add at least another 10k, maybe 15.

So tired of my team getting those games. Long day at work/uni, long bus ride to the stadium, long bus ride back to the carpark.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Hopefully the money the NRL has for promotion next year will help considerably.

Take this weekends Parra v Dragons game. Nothing to play for but they have pushed the retirement of a few players and turned it into an event ... prediction 40,000 +

More of the same, at carefully selected games could have a notable effect on crowds next year.

 

[cleary89]

35k ish tonight at Suncorp was abysmal. Not because it's a bad figure in and of itself, but because it was Petero's last game. Such a long-standing servant of League and the Broncos should have been able to go out with a packed house, but the constant decision to to play Friday night games keeps the crowds down. If that was on a Sunday afternoon, you could easily add at least another 10k, maybe 15.

So tired of my team getting those games. Long day at work/uni, long bus ride to the stadium, long bus ride back to the carpark.

Didn't you get Newcastle on a Sunday arvo?

 

[Loudstrat]

Sydney has a population of 4.4 million people. We should not be getting crowds below 10k let alone 20k. That just says to me that the Greater Sydney area is over-saturated with football teams. At least Brisbane, Melbourne and North Queensland can get some good crowds...

Sniffing petrol fumes really f*cks with ones mind. Melbourne :lol::lol:

Mediocrity is nothing to applaud.

Best crowds in history is mediocre is it? Typical Perth Red comment - death riding RL.

No wonder there isnt a NRL side within 3000kms of whinging geniuss like you.

 

[Sydney Knight]

People comparing Sydney to other countries must realise 4.4m is not that big for 9 teams plus other codes.just about every NFL team for example would come from a city similar or bigger than Sydney. We get hung up on afl crowds which punch way above there weight. Slow growth towards 20k is realistic.

 

[Perth Red]

Sniffing petrol fumes really f*cks with ones mind. Melbourne :lol::lol:


Best crowds in history is mediocre is it? Typical Perth Red comment - death riding RL.

No wonder there isnt a NRL side within 3000kms of whinging geniuss like you.

barely no change to crowd avg attendances in 7 years isn't mediocrity? Typical f**kwit comment from clueless loudtart.

 

[Band On The Run]

Fixed scheduling will help with crowds though. I would have some idea of which game I can make in advance.

 

[*Paul*]

 Year      <10000                 20000+
 2012  23/186      12%       41/186      22%
 2011  23/192      12%       42/192      22%
 2010  22/192      11%       41/192      21%
 2009  27/192      14%       35/192      18%
 2008  36/192      19%       40/192      21%
 2007  32/192      17%       35/192      18%
 2006  43/180      24%       39/180      22%
 2005  26/180      14%       38/180      21%
 2004  42/180      23%       34/180      19%
 2003  43/180      24%       28/180      16%
 2002  60/180      33%       22/180      12%
 2001  52/182      29%       23/182      13%
 2000  26/182      14%       24/182      13%
 1999  61/204      30%       29/204      14%
 1998  123/240     51%       16/240      7%
 1997  113/222     51%       14/222      6%
 1996  113/214     53%       28/214      13%
 1995  90/220      41%       48/220      22%
 1994  56/176      32%       32/176      18%
 1993  73/176      41%       26/176      15%
 1992  70/176      40%       10/176      6%
 1991  64/176      36%       16/176      9%
 1990  87/176      49%       20/176      11%
 1989  103/176     59%       13/176      7%
 1988  107/176     61%       11/176      6%
 1987  96/156      62%       5/156       3%
 1986  100/156     64%       12/156      8%
 1985  119/156     76%       1/156       1%
 1984  119/156     76%       5/156       3%
 1983  152/182     84%       4/182       2%
 1982  128/182     70%       1/182       1%
 1981  92/132      70%       1/132       1%
 1980  80/132      61%       4/132       3%
 1979  72/132      55%       7/132       5%
 1978  70/132      53%       14/132      11%
 1977  78/132      59%       8/132       6%
 1976  64/132      48%       8/132       6%
 1975  76/132      58%       4/132       3%
 1974  100/132     76%       3/132       2%
 1973  94/132      71%       5/132       4%
 1972  89/132      67%       12/132      9%
 1971  74/132      56%       12/132      9%
 1970  68/132      52%       12/132      9%
 1969  59/132      45%       14/132      11%
 1968  52/132      39%       18/132      14%
 1967  69/132      52%       18/132      14%
 1966  43/90       48%       13/90       14%
 1965  54/90       60%       12/90       13%
 1964  54/90       60%       13/90       14%
 1963  65/90       72%       8/90        9%
 1962  62/90       69%       6/90        7%
 1961  57/90       63%       7/90        8%
 1960  58/90       64%       3/90        3%
 1959  68/90       76%       5/90        6%
 1958  60/90       67%       9/90        10%
 1957  56/90       62%       13/90       14%

 

[Loudstrat]

Great stats Paul.

Shows how we have risen to "mediocrity".......

Another classic from the clueless pommy whinger. :lol::lol:

 

[Quidgybo]

Well I'd call that a pretty good indication that crowds are going steadily in the right direction. Even given SL we're drawing less than half as many sub 10,0000 crowds as before '95.

Leigh.

 

[LRC69]

Fixed scheduling will help with crowds though. I would have some idea of which game I can make in advance.

I don't see how fixing schedules will make a huge difference at all to crowd averages (Cowboys aside)
Maybe to a couple of 100 people per game or something but not that much of a diff.
The main thing that influences crowds is form..first and foremost.

When parra went on their winning streak on the way to the GF in 2009 (or whatever) their crowds swelled considerably. (or any team really)

It wouldn't have mattered if the schedule is fixed or not at this stage.

Fixing schedules at the start of the year probably assists a handful of us more diehard fans .. not the vast majority of band wagoners who decide a week or 2 before a game depending on the form of the team, the form of the opponent and then if it falls on a day they are free.

And if those things line up ...it will depend on $$$ and the weather.

 

[Perth Red]

Great stats Paul.

Shows how we have risen to "mediocrity".......

Another classic from the clueless pommy whinger. :lol::lol:

lol, yeh a zero% rise in avg crowds over 8 years is to be celebrated! Only in Loudtart world. What that chart shows is that in the last 3 years the crowds are exactly the same in terms of sub 10k and over 20k. How the frick is that growth or success?

Avg game attendance
2012-16144
2011-16273
2010-16406
2009-16065
2005-16468

Looking at FACTS isn't deathriding it is being realistic at where we are at so we can get off our backsides and do something about it.

 

[Loudstrat]

Its not growth in the short term. Its the sign of market maturity in an economic sense. It IS success - have a look at our competitors stats since 1998 ffs!

Pretty sure any fluctuations coincide with the support of teams who have good and poor seasons.

 

[Quidgybo]

With blips in 2000 and 2005, the game has cut the number of sub 10,000 crowds by 1% to 2% every year since 1999 for an overall improvement of 18 percentage points. Over the same time, with a couple blips in 2007 and 2009 it's raised the number of 20,000 plus crowds a bit under 1% every year since 1999 for an overall improvement of 8 percentage points. You can't deny these figures are steadily going in the right direction.

Leigh.

 

[Loudstrat]

You can if you are a paranoid glue sniffer from Perth.......

 

[Suitman]

Geez, how bad was 1983!!!

Suity

 

[Loudstrat]

1983 was f*cking awesome! Grothe catching the ball one handed and running it back 60m. Kenny and Ella's sublime ball skills.....*sigh*

Pity we were playing out of Belmore.

If only the f*ckwits at the Friends of Parramatta Park had not held us up in court we would have had PS built 3 years earlier. Us in 1986 was the first team in the comp to average over 20k for home games. Has we done that in 1983..............?

 

[t-ba]

lol, yeh a zero% rise in avg crowds over 8 years is to be celebrated! Only in Loudtart world. What that chart shows is that in the last 3 years the crowds are exactly the same in terms of sub 10k and over 20k. How the frick is that growth or success?

Avg game attendance
2012-16144
2011-16273
2010-16406
2009-16065
2005-16468

Looking at FACTS isn't deathriding it is being realistic at where we are at so we can get off our backsides and do something about it.

LoL. Convenient selection of 2005 in there. 2005 was a 12% increase on the previous record FFS. In any statistical analysis it would be treated as an aberration. and dropped from the sample.

We've now had 15 years of the NRL. Here are the average attendances presented in three and five year chunks.

1998-2002- 988 games, 12,849,801 @ 13,006
2003-2007- 912 games, 14,041,574 @ 15,396
2008-2012- 954 games, 15,382,830 @ 16,125

1998-2000- 626 games, 8,082,089 @ 12,911
2001-2003- 542 games, 7,372,213 @ 13,602
2004-2006- 540 games, 8,413,033 @ 15,580
2007-2009- 576 games, 9,101,990 @ 15,802
2010-2012- 570 games, 9,304,880 @ 16,324

Included last nights match but felt lazy so just wacked 60k onto the totals.

To me this indicates solid growth. We're attracting more in total and more per game...It also puts 2005 in its place.

2005 was just freakish. Three of Sydneys (at the time) four biggest clubs in the top 4, the lowest points total ever between the minor premiers and the spooners, a race right down to the wire for so position on the ladder, the rise of the tigers. Simply amazing season. I think my spine is tingling from the Saints v Tigers match in the finals. Maybe we should fix the draw so we can have another absolutely special season like that and get the crowds up hey?