Australia won't win 2022 WC

[Iamback]

I think Luai is trying to play for everyone. I didn't say it was his first choice team, I said that option wasn't available to him. It's not like he has no attachment to NZ, he captained the Junior Kiwis.

Sorry, missed that. But the rest of your posting in this thread has been very pro PI heritage until that post.

To be fair to him RL has very loose eligibility rules and is eligible for several countries.

As for your 2nd part

He was born in Australia
Played all his footy in Australia

Yet somehow he chose Australia purely on Origin.

To'o said his parents wanted him to play for Australia - so in his case NZ was not an option

People just see x player is eligible for in this case NZ and assume they want to play for them.

 

[Matua]

To be fair to him RL has very loose eligibility rules and is eligible for several countries.

As for your 2nd part

He was born in Australia
Played all his footy in Australia

Yet somehow he chose Australia purely on Origin.

To'o said his parents wanted him to play for Australia - so in his case NZ was not an option

Are you being deliberately obtuse? Trolling? I didn't say he chose Australia purely on Origin at all. We don't know if he has chosen Australia, he might chose Samoa. But the fact is he doesn't have the option to play for NZ and Origin, like he does with Samoa and Origin.

Why are you bringing up To'o with me? I haven't discussed him. I don't think he's even eligible for NZ.

People just see x player is eligible for in this case NZ and assume they want to play for them.

And you assume the exact opposite.

 

[jim_57]

On the players. Hard to say what they would choose Ponga is Australian Born.
Paulo and Papalli have been in Australia most of their lives.

so nothing to say they would choose NZ if given the option especially with all their schooling in Australia.

I think it is money is more of a motivation then anything. The World Cup alone Australian players get $50k if they win. Someone like Samoa get $1300.

Again what link does Sam Walker have to England? He was born there granted but only lived there for 6 months

Both his parents are born and Bred Australian, He has lived here since he was 6 months old...Likely has no interest in playing for England. Even though he is eligible

I’m not debating hypotheticals in depth the point is Origin and the payments and exposure that comes with it is definitely a big factor in the choice. I’d say at least a few of those mentioned would have chosen NZ without the Origin carrot dangled. Add in the “loophole” that a lot of these guys can play for Tonga and Samoa and Origin and it’s pretty stacked against NZ.

Walker was just a throwaway one as an example for England, nobody is saying he should have to play for England but he should be able to if he wants to without Origin coming in to it. Campbell Graham another decent example he can play for NSW and one of his parent’s heritage but not the other.

 

[Iamback]

wtf you on about? If a player is eligible to play origin, great let him play origin. If same player is eligible to represent a country, be it tier 1, 2 or 16 then great let them represent whoever they are eligible for. The rules at the moment dont allow for that and should be changed. There is zero legit reason an origin player shouldn't play for NZ or England if they are eligible other than a dumb ass rule designed to weaken other tier 1 nations for the benefit of the Kangaroos.


You dont know this, how can you? They currently don't have the option so you have no idea if they would choose to play for NZ or England over Australia or a PI nation.

You are jumping at shadows here. Again I ask who is eligible for England that was here at 13?

Those who were. Ponga is an example of someone who could play for NZ.

He was born here. Had his High Schooling here, played for QLD and Australia in other sports well before he played Origin... So you are just assuming they don't want to now play an elite sport for the state and country

 

[Smug Panther]

You are jumping at shadows here. Again I ask who is eligible for England that was here at 13?

Those who were. Ponga is an example of someone who could play for NZ.

He was born here. Had his High Schooling here, played for QLD and Australia in other sports well before he played Origin... So you are just assuming they don't want to now play an elite sport for the state and country

Waste of time engaging with this clown

 

[Matua]

You are jumping at shadows here. Again I ask who is eligible for England that was here at 13?

Those who were. Ponga is an example of someone who could play for NZ.

He was born here. Had his High Schooling here, played for QLD and Australia in other sports well before he played Origin... So you are just assuming they don't want to now play an elite sport for the state and country

Exactly like most of these Samoan players you're carrying on about here.

 

[Iamback]

Are you being deliberately obtuse? Trolling? I didn't say he chose Australia purely on Origin at all. We don't know if he has chosen Australia, he might chose Samoa. But the fact is he doesn't have the option to play for NZ and Origin, like he does with Samoa and Origin.

Why are you bringing up To'o with me? I haven't discussed him. I don't think he's even eligible for NZ.


And you assume the exact opposite.

That 1st paragraph is exactly the meaning of assuming that same thing.

When Samoa and Tonga become tier 1. The rule will change and we will see very little change

 

[Iamback]

Exactly like most of these Samoan players you're carrying on about here.

Like Taumalolo. All say playing for their grand parents culture though.

Which is how it should be done. Play for who you feel closest too

The rules will need to change when Tonga etc become tier 1. What the new one looks like is anyone's guess.

If RL follows RU's path and have 1 team for life. The Wallabies have Islanders and Kiwi born players now. Why will league be any different?

Except for AFL every other sport is having more and more players born overseas playing...

 

[Iamback]

Waste of time engaging with this clown

This is true

 

[Bobby DIGital]

Luai was born in Australia, Played for Samoa in 2017...Yet is a kiwi?

He qualifies via a parent but if he doesn't feel like a kiwi it is Origin's fault?

 

[Iamback]

Yes he played junior kiwis

Benji played Australian schoolboys... junior footy doesn't matter in every case.

The nearest like for like we have is RU. It is 1 side for life, There is no Origin to be perceived as the difference.

Yet there are islanders ( Who in RL could play for either ) in the Wallabies team. When All Blacks is the more prestige side.

Why is that? For the reasons I listed above

 

[Matua]

@lamback

I really can't follow your thought patterns anymore to see a coherent argument you're making.

 

[Perth Red]

To be fair to him RL has very loose eligibility rules and is eligible for several countries.

RL has same eligibility rules as most sports. Birth, parentage and residency period. Pretty much like all of them.

 

[Smug Panther]

Photoshop

 

[Perth Red]

You are jumping at shadows here. Again I ask who is eligible for England that was here at 13?

Those who were. Ponga is an example of someone who could play for NZ.

He was born here. Had his High Schooling here, played for QLD and Australia in other sports well before he played Origin... So you are just assuming they don't want to now play an elite sport for the state and country

Again it doesnt matter! We are debating the rule, not the players who it might be impacting. There is no good reason for the rule to exist. That a player can play origin and play for Samoa, PNG, Tonga, Wales etc but cant play for NZ or England makes absolutely no sense. It was put there to give Australia first dibs on Origin players, but now some players are choosing tier 2 nations over Australia anyway it makes even less sense! They should get rid of the rule and get rid of the stupid tiering language.

If RL follows RU's path and have 1 team for life. The Wallabies have Islanders and Kiwi born players now. Why will league be any different?

Its more likely Union will follow League, they have already started down the road

World Rugby amends rule and allows players to switch national teams

World Rugby has approved an amendment to its eligibility laws which will allow players to switch nations

www.theguardian.com

 

[Iamback]

Again it doesnt matter! We are debating the rule, not the players who it might be impacting. There is no good reason for the rule to exist. That a player can play origin and play for Samoa, PNG, Tonga, Wales etc but cant play for NZ or England makes absolutely no sense. It was put there to give Australia first dibs on Origin players, but now some players are choosing tier 2 nations over Australia anyway it makes even less sense! They should get rid of the rule and get rid of the stupid tiering language.


Its more likely Union will follow League, they have already started down the road

World Rugby amends rule and allows players to switch national teams

World Rugby has approved an amendment to its eligibility laws which will allow players to switch nations

www.theguardian.com

Because how can you say the rule makes no sense IF no one is affected by it?

Tonga and Samoa will be tier 1 soon enough. So the rule will get tweeked...then those 0.001% of players affected will be cheering

As for RU. If they do it will benefit the island nations. No one is going to go all through school in NZ or Australia.

Play for that country and wake up one day and go. you know what I want to play for the country I have cheered against all my life.

 

[Iamback]

@lamback

I really can't follow your thought patterns anymore to see a coherent argument you're making.

That the player plays for the country they feel closest too. Not just for the $90k they could possibly get for Origin

 

[Iamback]

RL has same eligibility rules as most sports. Birth, parentage and residency period. Pretty much like all of them.

How many can you change who you represent though?

That is what has created this issue

 

[Perth Red]

Because how can you say the rule makes no sense IF no one is affected by it?

Tonga and Samoa will be tier 1 soon enough. So the rule will get tweeked...then those 0.001% of players affected will be cheering

As for RU. If they do it will benefit the island nations. No one is going to go all through school in NZ or Australia.

Play for that country and wake up one day and go. you know what I want to play for the country I have cheered against all my life.

Again? lol. Either no one is affected, in which case why have the rule in the first place. Or some are, which is obviously the case as there are a number of Origin players eligible for NZ right now. If they'd choose NZ over a tier 2 nation or Australia if they had the option neither you nor I know, the only fact we do know is that at the moment they dont have that choice. That is the issue, not who would or wouldn't, or even if any of them today would. There is no good reason they shouldn't have that choice.

 

[Iamback]

Again? lol. Either no one is affected, in which case why have the rule in the first place. Or some are, which is obviously the case as there are a number of Origin players eligible for NZ right now. If they'd choose NZ over a tier 2 nation or Australia if they had the option neither you nor I know, the only fact we do know is that at the moment they dont have that choice. That is the issue, not who would or wouldn't, or even if any of them today would. There is no good reason they shouldn't have that choice.

Because only in RL would fans whinge that Australian born and raised players. Are playing in a state game and possibly for their country of birth. That is madness.

You were the one to say Origin is holding back NZ. Not me yet when asked for who being held back from representing them you had nothing as usual