Australia won't win 2022 WC

[Matua]

How many of them have NZ parents though? The example that was used earlier was Luai who qualifies for NZ via parent. some of those guys would be similar

TBH, most of them probably have direct PI parents rather the NZ parents (and the comparison with Luai is less concrete as I don't think any of them are Maori like Luai).

At any rate the sport is not an accurate comparison to NZ in league. All those players can play their professional career in Australia, so the opportunity to play for NZ is limited in that they have to move away from Oz, find a province, then a franchise. In league all NZers bar the small number of Warriors players are going to be based in Oz.

A few Aussie born and raised have gone the other way though. Tyrel Lomax was born in Oz, played for Oz U20s but then switched to NZ. Campbell Parata tried to make it in NZ rugby but couldn't get in the Tasman first team so has gone back to Oz. Tawera Kerr Barlow was born and grew up in Oz but moved to NZ for high school so he could have a shot at the ABs.

Yet is ineligible for Origin I can't think of anyone in the NZ squad who could play Origin if they wanted

These guys would be eligible if NZ were allowed to play (not suggesting they would make any squad but shows that there are dual eligible in the squad): Foran, Rapana, Leota, Nikora, DWZ, Sorenson.

Hughes only just misses out by a few months and Smith was eligible for Qld back when he was first being selected fo the Kiwis (not sure under current rules) as was Liu when he was coming up.

 

[Perth Red]

And for the final time, it doesn't matter a hoot who would or wouldn't, if some would or no one would. All that matters is the rule in place is discriminatory and the fact it needs changing. I haven't hear one good argument yet for why it is in place and why it shouldn't be changed.

 

[Iamback]

It is a 10 year old rule. The % of players eligible for other nations has grown.

The fact no one here can name anyone affected is the reason it hasn't changed.

 

[Perth Red]

It is a 10 year old rule. The % of players eligible for other nations has grown.

The fact no one here can name anyone affected is the reason it hasn't changed.

Every player who COULD choose NZ or England over Australia and still play origin is affected. they are affected because their choice is taken away. Sure they may still choose Australia but neither you nor I know if that is what they would do. The rule isnt needed, is discriminatory and should be binned. Yes its been around for a decade, a decade too long! As soon as players started to choose 2nd tier nations over Australia it made the rule pointless.

 

[Bobby DIGital]

This is where I tap out. player says his reason to change and someone behind a keyboard still won't believe it. No point

As for point 2.

Off the top of my head

Craig Gower Australia in RL. Italy in RU
Vunivalu - Fiji in RL. Australia in RU
Lesley Vainikolo NZ in RL. England in RU
Henry Paul NZ in RL. England in RU
Shotayne Hape NZ in RL. England in RU

Why not ask all those guys why they played for different sports for different countries? The answer wouldn't be Origin

I'm pretty sure I posted evidence of a signed document, as well as images of Papalii representing NZ.

I'm a Raiders fan, and I recall other quotes from before he made his decision. Mal said he had been trying to get Papalii to switch to Qld and he was told continually that Papa wanted to play for NZ. He also came out himself and said he's "100% NZ"....then after he switched he was "100% Queensland and Aus". The quote you posted means very little. Its obvious the Origin $ carrot was dangled and he went for it.

 

[Pink Panther]

Kingston Town can't win...

 

[jim_57]

Hypothetical here but the Radley/England situation raises the question; does Origin actually lock a player out of NZ/England? Or is it just Kangaroos selection? Chris McQueen played for Queensland but not Australia then played for England later in his career.

Obviously once a player plays for NZ/England they’re locked out of Origin but I couldn’t find anything in the International rules saying Origin locks players out of other tier 1 nations, only Kangaroos selection.

tldr - There may be nothing in the rules stopping Nanai, Taulagi, Fotuaika etc playing for NZ until they actually play for Australia. Doubtful any would or NZ would even try.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Hypothetical here but the Radley/England situation raises the question; does Origin actually lock a player out of NZ/England? Or is it just Kangaroos selection? Chris McQueen played for Queensland but not Australia then played for England later in his career.

Obviously once a player plays for NZ/England they’re locked out of Origin but I couldn’t find anything in the International rules saying Origin locks players out of other tier 1 nations, only Kangaroos selection.

tldr - There may be nothing in the rules stopping Nanai, Taulagi, Fotuaika etc playing for NZ until they actually play for Australia. Doubtful any would or NZ would even try.

Good point. The kiwi side is that strong that I doubt those players are under much consideration.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Meninga seeks eligibility clarity before train-on squad named

Kangaroos coach Mal Meninga is preparing to select a World Cup train-on squad and wants dual eligible players to declare which nation they are going to play for.

www.nrl.com

 

[Foreign Legion]

The idiots from ARL have turned SOO into a "All Stars" event. Now players have realised that they can play for other countries (Mix'n'Match). And the Kangaroos are like "WTF Mate, I thought you were playing for us?"

 

[Perth Red]

The idiots from ARL have turned SOO into a "All Stars" event. Now players have realised that they can play for other countries (Mix'n'Match). And the Kangaroos are like "WTF Mate, I thought you were playing for us?"

Hasn't it always been? I mean I seem to remember PNG and Fijian players playing origin in the distant past. Its nothing new.

 

[Gobsmacked]

The idiots from ARL have turned SOO into a "All Stars" event. Now players have realised that they can play for other countries (Mix'n'Match). And the Kangaroos are like "WTF Mate, I thought you were playing for us?"

No mate. You have to have arrived in Australia before 13 years of age to be eligible for SOO.
It's a good thing people who played juniors in Qld or NSW get to represent those states that tought them the finer points of the game and equally good those same people get to represent their birth country or heritage .

 

[Iamback]

Just to clear it up about Dylan Brown and a few others being talked about in here. There is a rule that you can’t switch nations in a calendar year.

So Brown, Mulitalo, NAS, Leota etc won’t be able to play for Samoa and all players who played in the mid-year tests are locked in for the World Cup. Origin obviously doesn’t count so all those dual eligible players can choose.

Link

• A player can only elect to represent one nation in any calendar year

Leota to make tough call ahead of World Cup • The Western Weekender

Panthers prop Moses Leota won’t make a call on his World Cup future until later this year, but one thing is certain – he has a huge decision on his hands.

westernweekender.com.au

so seems players can still change...As I said in page 2 of this thread

 

[Iamback]

No mate. You have to have arrived in Australia before 13 years of age to be eligible for SOO.
It's a good thing people who played juniors in Qld or NSW get to represent those states that tought them the finer points of the game and equally good those same people get to represent their birth country or heritage .

The u13's rule is good. Just need to tweek the rest of the rule

 

[jim_57]

Leota to make tough call ahead of World Cup • The Western Weekender

Panthers prop Moses Leota won’t make a call on his World Cup future until later this year, but one thing is certain – he has a huge decision on his hands.

westernweekender.com.au

so seems players can still change...As I said in page 2 of this thread

Well won’t be much of a decision once someone tells him the rules. Hate to spoil your “I told you so” moment.



(viii) A Player who has elected to represent a Nation cannot then elect to represent another Nation in the same calendar year.[/quote]Link

 

[Iamback]

Well won’t be much of a decision once someone tells him the rules. Hate to spoil your “I told you so” moment.



(viii) A Player who has elected to represent a Nation cannot then elect to represent another Nation in the same calendar year.

Link
[/QUOTE]

Someone better tell Milford too then.

Why it's time for Samoa, rugby league's sleeping giant, to awaken from its slumber

It's been a lean few years for Samoa, but the island nation still has the potential to become an international rugby league powerhouse.

www.abc.net.au

It's asking a lot, for them to give up Origin jerseys and Kangaroo and Kiwis spots - landing all of them for the World Cup is unrealistic in the extreme, and Milford says that's not what Samoa are expecting. They'll back their people no matter what they choose.

"It can be hard, but a lot of those boys have been in camp before and know what it's like. I know they enjoyed being here," Milford said.

"It's up to them, whatever they choose, we'll support them, If they pick Australia, good on them, if they pick Samoa we'll always have a place for them."

But just imagine, for a moment, what it could be like if Samoa just landed a couple of them. They just need a few, because once they get one then more will follow.

The thinking seems to be as a Football contract runs from Nov-Nov that the international calendar follows.

Shouldn't let them switch then it solves this confusion

 

[jim_57]

Link
Someone better tell Milford too then.

Why it's time for Samoa, rugby league's sleeping giant, to awaken from its slumber

It's been a lean few years for Samoa, but the island nation still has the potential to become an international rugby league powerhouse.

www.abc.net.au

It's asking a lot, for them to give up Origin jerseys and Kangaroo and Kiwis spots - landing all of them for the World Cup is unrealistic in the extreme, and Milford says that's not what Samoa are expecting. They'll back their people no matter what they choose.

"It can be hard, but a lot of those boys have been in camp before and know what it's like. I know they enjoyed being here," Milford said.

"It's up to them, whatever they choose, we'll support them, If they pick Australia, good on them, if they pick Samoa we'll always have a place for them."

But just imagine, for a moment, what it could be like if Samoa just landed a couple of them. They just need a few, because once they get one then more will follow.

The thinking seems to be as a Football contract runs from Nov-Nov that the international calendar follows.

Shouldn't let them switch then it solves this confusion

With Internationals being out of the spotlight the last few years I wouldn’t expect players to be all over the rules. We’ll probably see a few up in arms stories later in the year if/when this rule has to be enforced.

Any journo should be able to research this stuff before they post articles though.

 

[Bobby DIGital]

Leota to make tough call ahead of World Cup • The Western Weekender

Panthers prop Moses Leota won’t make a call on his World Cup future until later this year, but one thing is certain – he has a huge decision on his hands.

westernweekender.com.au

so seems players can still change...As I said in page 2 of this thread

This is a poorly written article. Where in it does Leota even utter the word Samoa? There's no quote in there about him agonizing over some mythical decision. His decision has been made. It's just straight up propaganda from the media who are trying to push this false narrative about a samoan exodus from NZ. You're a sucker for falling for that headline.

 

[Bobby DIGital]

Link

Why it's time for Samoa, rugby league's sleeping giant, to awaken from its slumber

It's been a lean few years for Samoa, but the island nation still has the potential to become an international rugby league powerhouse.

www.abc.net.au

But just imagine, for a moment, what it could be like if Samoa just landed a couple of them. They just need a few, because once they get one then more will follow.



They did land one - Martin Taupau, but none have followed though.

Marty thought he could inspire a Samoan exodus like Taumalolo did for Tonga, but he's just not on that level as a player.

It's common knowledge that Samoa have the most unprofessional administration and coaching staff. Guys like Soliola refused to play for them under the current regime. Nothing has changed.

 

[Perth Red]

haha, players and journo dont know the rules. Our sport is embarrassing sometimes!
Players should be nominating now so nations can plan for the RLWC and the media can generate news content. Talking of which it was good to see the NRL360 crew last night finally acknowledge there is a world cup on this year!