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Australian Team v New Zealand

Diesel

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Pretty disappointed with the team, there's some head scratchers and question marks as to why some got selected... Not building for the future and you can't say this team is heading to a WC final only 18 months away. The biggest disappointment is Semi chosen for Australia.

Is it just me or does the Australian side usually look weaker than a winning Origin team?
 

skeepe

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I didn't know Oates was in the team

Yeah Oates and Rapana are the form wingers in the NRL at the moment, Semi a close third.

But Ferguson? Based on this year's form, he's not even in the top 100 players, let alone one of the 17 best Australians.

I mean you could pick Josh Mansour, Corey Oates, Curtis Rona, James Tedesco, Kyle Feldt, Anthony Don, David Mead, Jarrod Croker, James Roberts, Josh Morris, Will Hopoate, hell even Joey Leilua is in better form than bloody Ferguson.

Now some of those are ridiculous and nowhere near Australian selection, but they still would have made more sense than Fergo in his current form.

Makes no sense at all.
 

RedVee

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Oates over Ferguson, and I am disappointed to see Semi there. But once he was made available Mal and the selector(s) pretty much had to pick him. His form has been compelling.
 

snickers007

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So does this rule out Semi for Fiji at next years World Cup?

If so, I can't help but think he'll be overlooked by Australia for that tourney and also locked out of Fiji's team due to the lousy eligibility rules.
 

hutch

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He was locked out regardless as he applied to have his eligibility changed with the rlif.
 
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Greg Inglis :lol:

How the hell Jennings is not on the run-on side as centre defies belief.:shock:

I agree. Dugan is not a centre regardless of what some people around will try and tell you. He is blasted hopeless. Ferguson should not expect any passes from Mr Ballhog.
 

natheel

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The residency thing isn't an issue, its the swapping nations thing that bothers people and the fact that Fiji could've potentially be a stronger Rugby League nation.

I think Semi is the first test player to be picked on the residency rule, if not it probably goes back to Keith Barnes.

Nathan Fien got picked for NZ on residency rule after he tried to say is Grandma was New Zealander
Also Rangi Chase now an English national player from residency rule
 

Alo

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12 qlders 4 nsw and semi what ever he is

Where's klemmer and Jackson? Jesus christ
 

spinnerhowland

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Of the 322 players in the 14 teams that competed in the 2013 World Cup: 36% Australian / 18% NZ / 21% English. So from 14 "International Teams", 75% of all players were born in just those 3 countries. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Rugby_League_World_Cup_squads

And of the ones "born" in some of the "Home Nations", they spent less than the first year of their life there before moving to their current country. So in all honesty, the true number of "domestic players" is less than 20% for the entire player group.

The rules for the WC allow for 100% of the entire squad to be heritage players, for any nation.

The Irony: The RLIF excepts those in developing countries to grow the game, with very little if any financial support. So this means the players, coaches, administrators, who in most cases are 100% volunteers, do all the hard work at the grass roots level. They spend their own money, give up their seasons, etc. Just the same as players and coaches do in the "Big Three" at any level under NRL. They work jobs, train, play, travel, pay for hotels, car rentals, update websites, pay for advertising, operate the ticket gate on game day, wash the gear, line the fields, etc. etc. etc.

Yet there is not a single rule to protect these players, when it comes time to represent their nation in what we are told, is the greatest honor in our sport.

Minimum domestic player number MUST be added to the rules to protect those who are giving this game more than any other group of people in its international development.

There are two BIG ISSUES, with the current International Player Rules that need to be addressed:
(i) Players changing nations, or choosing nations based on heritage, mostly in sight of money. It is hard to come down on players who are making their living for doing that, BUT they should not be allowed change inside a WC cycle. And NO PLAYER should ever be allowed play for more than 2 nations. (ii) The number of domestic players selected in National teams needs to be mandated. For the game to grow outside current nations, there must be domestic competitions. The only way this happens is if there is some kind of protection for the domestic players when it comes to international games.

Personally I would like to see 51% of all SQUADS made up of domestic players. This would mean all national teams are "a majority" of domestic players. And in the WC where SQUADS are 24 players, this means 13 must be domestic and 11 can be heritage players.
It is fair to say that the 11 heritage players would be named in the 17 name team for games. If a national needs more than 11 players in a team who are heritage players, then they need to do more work on the domestic front.

This gives domestic players the opportunity to be coached, and experience the game at it's highest level, AND be rewarded by having the HONOR of representing their HOME NATION.

It also gives domestic fans, supporters, team mates, sponsors, etc. a TRUE CONNECTION with the team, by seeing faces and names they are familiar with.

And for clarity, I consider a DOMESTIC PLAYER, any player who is eligible as a Citizen or Resident based on current RLIF rules, who has registered and played a minimum of one season in his selected country.
This means eligible players from a country who have played one or more seasons in their homeland, but now playing overseas to gain experience, etc. count as domestic. International players who qualify thru "Heritage Citizenship" who have committed to at least a season in their selected country (thus helping grow the domestic game) would also be domestic players.

Yet those heritage players who reside outside of their "selected" country, and thus not directly contributed to the domestic growth of the game, would be one of the "49" percent heritage players.
They rules must protect the best domestic players in developing nations, who are not only playing for free, but in MOST cases paying to play, personally funding the development, etc. And an incentive given to Heritage players who are willing to spend a season in their "selected overseas nation" to grow the game.
 
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Danish

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So how many losses in a row before Mal pulls up stumps on this gig?

Could be a shorter career than his attempt at politics at this rate
 
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Yeah Oates and Rapana are the form wingers in the NRL at the moment, Semi a close third.

But Ferguson? Based on this year's form, he's not even in the top 100 players, let alone one of the 17 best Australians.

I mean you could pick Josh Mansour, Corey Oates, Curtis Rona, James Tedesco, Kyle Feldt, Anthony Don, David Mead, Jarrod Croker, James Roberts, Josh Morris, Will Hopoate, hell even Joey Leilua is in better form than bloody Ferguson.

Now some of those are ridiculous and nowhere near Australian selection, but they still would have made more sense than Fergo in his current form.

Makes no sense at all.

you do know that Rapana and Rona are kiwis aye?
 

flamin

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Nathan Fien got picked for NZ on residency rule after he tried to say is Grandma was New Zealander
Also Rangi Chase now an English national player from residency rule
At least in those cases they had never played for another country before. Semi has played for Fiji. IMO the residency rule should be 5 years, and if you ever swap nations there should be a waiting period before you can play Tests for your new country (or better yet, no swapping).
 

franklin2323

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I won't be watching a test until the rules are fixed. There's no way Australia should be using residency players. The fact all big 3 have proves what a farce the international game is now
 

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