Axe the Sharks to make way for the Reds

[Brutus]

Lets have another 10 Yawnion sides to keep you barred up.

What about 10 sides from the local North Sydney, Central Coast and Parra comps to give you a permanent stiffy. Tv revenue could hit 200 bucks if we're lucky.

 

[Loudstrat]

As long as there were lineouts and Spiro dropped the soap for you, it'd be heaven. Right?

How about you tell us all why you are so keen to see Cronulla punted?

 

[yadamisha]

C'mon refute my comments if it ain't true.

From what I understand...
* Sharks have no major sponsor at this point.
* The development was forecast to bring in approx $5mil a year profit (whether this is net or gross I am not sure). This is to go to the Leagues club rather than the football club. They expect money to start coming in approx 5 years time.
* Sharks spend the least on and off the field of any NRL club.
* The highest Sharks season average was 16281 in 2005. Though the second highest was 13974 back in 1999. Crowds have been pretty poor even when you had a good year on the field in 2008 you still only averaged 12965.
* One of the lowest amounts of Season ticket holders in the comp.
* League's club owes St George bank approx $8-9mil. St George previously has been close to foreclosing the loan. What may some more interest rate rises do to pressure on the leagues and football club operations?
* Have been bailed out of debt previously. Why should the NRL do it again when the club struggles to get any kind of support outside of it's own area.

You list very arguable points and for the uneducated it may appear that this is the case now, but instead of debating all of them it may be better served by pointing out that Cronulla will be in 5 years time the only Sydney team with that sort of set income outside of football operations, except maybe Canterbury and the NRL know that, which is why they won't get rid of a future cash cow team.

The Sharks are not like some of the powerhouse clubs which are losing millions a year with no sign of how they will change that fact despite what membership numbers they have. Rumours exist but because they are popular the traction is not there in the media - can't afford another Souths type reaction exit. Besides Cronulla's crowd averages are no different to the majority of Sydney clubs if you compare all of the Sydney clubs over each club's best years, remember some clubs now have two clubs worth of supporters to count upon to boost their averages! For example, what were the average figures for the Tigers and Magpies seperately before they merged, nothing like they are now as a combined club.

Outstanding loans have all been refinanced with the football club under no further threat because of them. The leagues club is profitable, unlike many other clubs, and hence can service these loans, particularly with the club now making extra money from hiring out the ground over summer, 3 times this year so far, something no other club can do. The club will run on the smell of an oily rag until money from the development starts rolling in for prudance sake, but the club will survive and will outlast a lot of the more fancied teams at present unless those clubs can change their circumstances and cut their costs drastically, a NRL projection. THEY WILL NOT BE RELOCATED, they are worth more where they are.

 

[sharks8601]

Ding ding ding
spot on. as long as they can survive till the development is up and running they will be the richest club in the NRL. then maybe we can start spending all our salary cap money

 

[Brutus]

As long as there were lineouts and Spiro dropped the soap for you, it'd be heaven. Right?

How about you tell us all why you are so keen to see Cronulla punted?

I don't want Cronulla punted.

Just expand to Perth and bring in a 2nd Brisbane team and I'd be happy. (and don't bring up the 2 year failure bullsh*t).

Any balanced person would understand why the Crushers and Reds never stood a chance.

 

[Dogs Of War]

Ding ding ding
spot on. as long as they can survive till the development is up and running they will be the richest club in the NRL. then maybe we can start spending all our salary cap money

You won't even be close to the richest club in the comp. It will put you mid pack at best. The money doesn't go to the Football club, it goes to the Leagues club. You guys also have issues such as owning your own stadium, which means that you will also have to spend money to upgrade it, and keep it in good condition.

Also you have been ignoring areas such as season ticket holders, and given you guys are running on the smell of an oily rag, 5 years is a long time to run like that. What damage will have been done to the Cronulla brand by then? Will supporters accept that for such a long period, other than die hards, will you have many left? How will the results on the field go by being under the cap so much? When you have a good player, will they leave to chase more money because your club can't afford to keep them, although spending a lot less than other clubs? 5 years is a long time. Will a major sponsor want to be associated with such a club?

Don't worry, put your heads in the sand and believe it will all be ok.

 

[yadamisha]

Well Logan is there feeder team. I seriously doubt they'll move but yeah just saying what i heard canberra to logan in 2012. if it happens you heard it here first.

And leave the ACT to AFL and Yawion?????? Seriously doubt that. If this is the case the next move will be to leave western sydney to the new AFL team, same logic.

 

[yadamisha]

Cronulla will be in 5 years time the only Sydney team with that sort of set income outside of football operations, except maybe Canterbury and the NRL know that, which is why they won't get rid of a future cash cow team.

SYDNEY TEAMS and the leagues club is there to support the football club - its their charter and why they exist - how can't you know that, its what the comp has survived on until now!!!!! Sydney clubs will never compare to one town teams.

Owing our own ground is an asset and it didn't stop the Fed gov giving us nearly a 11 million for the ground, something Manly is still holding their hand out for and suffering for it. How long can they now got to stay at Brookvale in its condition?????

Given that we are running at record level for season seats and won't be at the bottom of the pile the way we are going, I don't think that is going to be an issue for the future given the attitude of the fan base at present. Hence the programes the club has put in place to survive the 5 years until the FULL income is in place, besides it will be incremental as things come on line e.g. the hotel income is expected in a couple of years.

Just use the dogs as an example of what can be turned around, they came from a lower level than us in public opinon etc.

TAKE THE BLINKERS OFF, things are changing for the better, your living off fanciful stories from 9 months ago.

 

[coolumsharkie]

SYDNEY TEAMS and the leagues club is there to support the football club - its their charter and why they exist - how can't you know that, its what the comp has survived on until now!!!!! Sydney clubs will never compare to one town teams.

Owing our own ground is an asset and it didn't stop the Fed gov giving us nearly a 11 million for the ground, something Manly is still holding their hand out for and suffering for it. How long can they now got to stay at Brookvale in its condition?????

Given that we are running at record level for season seats and won't be at the bottom of the pile the way we are going, I don't think that is going to be an issue for the future given the attitude of the fan base at present. Hence the programes the club has put in place to survive the 5 years until the FULL income is in place, besides it will be incremental as things come on line e.g. the hotel income is expected in a couple of years.

Just use the dogs as an example of what can be turned around, they came from a lower level than us in public opinon etc.

TAKE THE BLINKERS OFF, things are changing for the better, your living off fanciful stories from 9 months ago.

Good posts Yad..

Facts are much easier to work with.

 

[Loudstrat]

I don't want Cronulla punted.

Just expand to Perth and bring in a 2nd Brisbane team and I'd be happy. (and don't bring up the 2 year failure bullsh*t).

Any balanced person would understand why the Crushers and Reds never stood a chance.

Funny - I totally agree with all 3 sentences!

So you also want another 10 sides from NSW? ;-) I don't. The Bears will do!

 

[Lockyer4President!]

Lets have another 10 Yawnion sides to keep you barred up.


L4P, I thought you were smarter than some of the Sydney hating dimwits on here. I would love Perth to come back. I want the game to expand - to be strong as it can be.

I detest, however, the assertion that places like Perth will be so strong that existing clubs should be culled to make way for them - then the same people extolling this action demand the NRL prop them up.

I also detest the deathriders of whichever Sydney team has a poor season and gets sub 13k crowds - and then demand there execution, whilst praising an 8k crowd as the future of the code.

How hard is THAt to comprehend?

Hey come on mate, I hate Sydney along with the best of them! In saying that I don't want to kill off Sydney teams just because they're from Sydney. I just want what's best for the comp as a whole. If that means that under-performing teams are told to shape up or ship out then so be it. There are imo two clubs in Sydney which are dragging the chain bigtime imo.

It's one of the reasons I'd like to see the Bears back in the comp. It'll create more pressure for the other Sydney clubs and ideally it'll force one of the under-performing clubs to relocate outside of NSW.

Cronulla will always be a bottom tier club if they stay where they are.

 

[Vossy]

Hey come on mate, I hate Sydney along with the best of them! In saying that I don't want to kill off Sydney teams just because they're from Sydney. I just want what's best for the comp as a whole. If that means that under-performing teams are told to shape up or ship out then so be it. There are imo two clubs in Sydney which are dragging the chain bigtime imo.

It's one of the reasons I'd like to see the Bears back in the comp. It'll create more pressure for the other Sydney clubs and ideally it'll force one of the under-performing clubs to relocate outside of NSW.

Cronulla will always be a bottom tier club if they stay where they are.

wooh wooh wooh hold the fugg up...

a Broncos fan commenting on the state and performance of NSW teams :crazy: sorry not all teams got to be one state teams for a long period of time..so you want Cronulla, to move away from the ground they own unlike other NRL clubs and the land [which they also own] which will hold there new development,just so they can perform better on the field

:? how the hell did you come to that conclusion?

how old are you and how did you pass school?

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

well.

he's a broncos fan. his league experience is far more relaxing and easier than ours.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

wooh wooh wooh hold the fugg up...

a Broncos fan commenting on the state and performance of NSW teams :crazy: sorry not all teams got to be one state teams for a long period of time..so you want Cronulla, to move away from the ground they own unlike other NRL clubs and the land [which they also own] which will hold there new development,just so they can perform better on the field

:? how the hell did you come to that conclusion?

how old are you and how did you pass school?

I can't comment on the state of poorly run clubs simply because I support my local NRL team? Would my opinion somehow be more valid in your eyes if I followed the Knights or Storm?


Cronulla owns their own ground, awesome. How is that helping them though? They are still a team with no fans, no money, no history and no chance of winning the comp. Even if the development goes through without a hitch it won't suddenly fix all of your problems. It won't even make Cronulla a 'rich' club. They'll just be able to stop treading water for a couple of years before the rising costs of running a football club catch up with them...

 

[Eion]

Every Sydney club had or will have difficulty at one time or another. You could put forward an argument to punt/merge just about every club at some point or another. Just harden the fugg up you bunch of sooks and worry about your own clubs.

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

Cronulla owns their own ground, awesome. How is that helping them though?

what are you an idiot? if you own a venue you make money from hosting events at the place. weve hosted a concert, w league finals and a league pre season in the off season alone. thats up 100000000000% on the previous nothing that the old admin was doing.
if you own a venue that holds a liquer licence then its even better.

They are still a team with no fans

theres 7,000 odd according to face book. and we have 1500 more members than we did last year.

no history and no chance of winning the comp

not this year. but i would say anything older than this post is history.

It won't even make Cronulla a 'rich' club. They'll just be able to stop treading water for a couple of years before the rising costs of running a football club catch up with them.

wheres ya source and hard evidence. infact. wheres delaney colby? this should be deleted post haste as it is speculative and without solid background. if i cant make speculative accusations than neither should this muppet

 

[coolumsharkie]

well.

he's a broncos fan. his league experience is far more relaxing and easier than ours.

;-)

Thats right and if his team was sh*t for a few years in a row the cat would be greasing up the Lion's AFL pole.

Mark my words.

 

[Mr Angry]

Whilst they pay premiums for the stadiums they play at, we will do OK.

I have no issue with Perth getting a team.

They will rent, we own.

 

[Vossy]

I can't comment on the state of poorly run clubs simply because I support my local NRL team? Would my opinion somehow be more valid in your eyes if I followed the Knights or Storm?


Cronulla owns their own ground, awesome. How is that helping them though? They are still a team with no fans, no money, no history and no chance of winning the comp. Even if the development goes through without a hitch it won't suddenly fix all of your problems. It won't even make Cronulla a 'rich' club. They'll just be able to stop treading water for a couple of years before the rising costs of running a football club catch up with them...

He still doesn't fuggen get it :lol:

I'll just comment on one of your idiotic statements while I try and control my laughter, we have more of a history then the broncos, 20+ years more then the broncos

 

[Mr Angry]

no history

ummmm

More years in the comp, than the Broncos, actually is history....perhaps simple math concepts are beyond you.

You can in fact look that up, the concept is called history.

Perhaps the word history is beyond you too.

Honestly.