Axe the Sharks to make way for the Reds

[Loudstrat]

Trouble is that 8k crowd was far less than the Perth game for a similar sized city. PR is dead right in one way - Perth has reasonable potential as a League centre. Adelaide currently has not.

Maybe Hindmarsh is the problem. Adelaide Oval seems to be the place to be at.

Either way, 8k was dissapointing, and I do not blame the Sharks for cutting their losses.

 

[jasonstevenswedgie]

Yes 8k this year but how many when we keep going back for 5 years?
If it was the lowest crowd pulling game of the entire league season or even our lowest crowd for the season, i would suggest pulling the pin but there is definently something to build on remember the rams avg around 15k fot their first season.
We had the chance to develop a niche market for the sharks and a possible new home if (when) we ever we need it.
Perth is about 400k bigger than Adealide the difference is quite large considering some people suggest it doesnt take this many people to support a RL team for the NRL

 

[Vossy]

The crowd was 8457 in adelaide. (Crowds for league have been terrible at hindmarsh stadium)
Compared to the 11 crowds that were smaller than it last year, the lowest was in the CC which is considered to be league heartland (6232) and only one of these games was outside of sydney in canberra all league heartlands.



Its not like the game is being played at home, we moved it to gosford. On that why would we move the dogs game and not the newcastle game.
We as a club have missed a great opportunity by getting out of the Adelaide deal 10 games at shark park and 2 in adelade would have worked out great in the long run for us and the league.

Gosford is easier to get to then Adelaide

 

[jasonstevenswedgie]

Gosford is easier to get to then Adelaide

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But we cant travel to the sfs to watch the sharks play 7472, what makes you think we would drive to gosford anymore than we would fly to adelaide?

Why move the dogs game when the newcastle is the better choice?

 

[Vossy]

Not hard to get in your car and drive to gosford, slighty different to having to fly to Adelaide

sfs is different to blue tongue in terms of playing at said grounds..

 

[jasonstevenswedgie]

With adeaide we had more chance in coverting people to sharks supporters than we do in the CC, its a city of 1m with no real set allegience.
Cheapest flight i can find is $58 each way.
Besides the 400 odd cssc members who do u think will travel up the coast?
Believing we can survive on what the shire has to offer has made us broke twice lets hope we get it right this time

 

[Vossy]

With adeaide we had more chance in coverting people to sharks supporters than we do in the CC, its a city of 1m with no real set allegience.
Cheapest flight i can find is $58 each way.
Besides the 400 odd cssc members who do u think will travel up the coast?
Believing we can survive on what the shire has to offer has made us broke twice lets hope we get it right this time

More then what would travel to Adelaide

there were more cow fans then sharks at last seasons game

 

[jasonstevenswedgie]

there were more cow fans then sharks at last seasons game

thats why we need to keep going back to the one place like souths are doing with perth. One trial, 2 comp games and we can try and make adelaide our own. Better option than the CC who wont support us because they want thier own team

 

[Perth Red]

I hope your new management has a bit more vision than some of your fans! As said youi have to build something, trouble with RL generally is it is always looking for the quick fix and not willing to do the hard work to to make it work. Weird really as it is the opposite to what players and teams have to do on the field. Our administrators could do with taking some lessons from the way the game is played!

As a Sharks fan you can easily see them play all home games + away Sydney fixtures. it's not like losing two games is going to dent the opportunity to see your team ffs!

Maybe if the NRL was a bit more proactive the clubs might take some leadership from them. For a very small investmet the NRL could be testing what cities could in the future host an NRL team and at the very least the game will be grown around the country.

 

[Gaba]

Sharks optimism in 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoVM6Y0WHD0

watch out

 

[Loudstrat]

Yes 8k this year but how many when we keep going back for 5 years?
If it was the lowest crowd pulling game of the entire league season or even our lowest crowd for the season, i would suggest pulling the pin but there is definently something to build on remember the rams avg around 15k fot their first season.

And their second? That's the point. Just because there are lots of people doesn't mean an instant League crowd. Ask the London Harlequins - crowds of 2-3k in London.

We had the chance to develop a niche market for the sharks and a possible new home if (when) we ever we need it.
Perth is about 400k bigger than Adealide the difference is quite large considering some people suggest it doesnt take this many people to support a RL team for the NRL

It's AFL mad mate. That's why more people in Townsville go to games than did in Adelaide.

 

[Jankuloski]

Granted, Adelaide is AFL mad - that's why no one has called for the Rams to be reinstated in any near future. So, what's the problem with getting a permanent commitment to playing a couple of games there?

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

It's AFL mad mate. That's why more people in Townsville go to games than did in Adelaide.

Sydney and Brisbane are RL mad, we still have AFL, RU and A-League sides. Auckland is RU mad, still have the Warriors.

The point is that no one will buy a product unless they have access to it.

There was a time when Sydney was RU mad, and a reason why soccer never really took off here is because none of the really big English clubs would come here, therefor no one here really cared.

 

[Loudstrat]

I still go back 20 years to when Saints played Balmain at Adelaide Oval - and packed the joint.

In recent years, Parkes has outdrawn Adelaide!

It's one thing to have access to a product. Demand for it is an entirely different thing.

 

[Perth Red]

you can only become a fan of something if you get an opportunity to watch it. One game every five years or so is doing nothing to attract people to become fans. A club willing to commit 2-3 games a year to a city, whichever one it is, will develop a fan base in that city over time. Hawthorn are doing it in Tassie, no doubt Port will do it in NT etc. It saddens me that we have so little faith on our "product" that we aren't willing to market it to the whole country. Having said that we can get 15,000+ in Perth and we still have to fight tooth and nail to get one game a year here.

This is what the NRL should be doing. For a $1mill investment the AFL are getting $7mill back for their clubs and infrastructure for the game. Imagine if the NRL admin was this good and the Sharks were getting $1mill a year for taking two games to Darwin!

The Northern Territory Government has done a deal to bring 10 AFL games to Darwin at a cost of about $500,000 a game.
It is part of $7 million in Government spending over five years, which includes $2 million in upgrades for TIO Stadium in Darwin and Traeger Park in Alice Springs.
Under the deal, the AFL is contributing a further $1 million.
The head of AFLNT,Tony Frawley, says the package is the result of 15 months of negotiations.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/10/19/2717845.htm

 

[Loudstrat]

you can only become a fan of something if you get an opportunity to watch it. One game every five years or so is doing nothing to attract people to become fans. A club willing to commit 2-3 games a year to a city, whichever one it is, will develop a fan base in that city over time. Hawthorn are doing it in Tassie, no doubt Port will do it in NT etc. It saddens me that we have so little faith on our "product" that we aren't willing to market it to the whole country. Having said that we can get 15,000+ in Perth and we still have to fight tooth and nail to get one game a year here.

This is what the NRL should be doing. For a $1mill investment the AFL are getting $7mill back for their clubs and infrastructure for the game. Imagine if the NRL admin was this good and the Sharks were getting $1mill a year for taking two games to Darwin!


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/10/19/2717845.htm

People have a far greater chance to watch NRL in Adelaide now than when Saints and Balmain packed Adelaide Oval.

It's no good throwing money at a market that has shown in the past not to be interested.

And I laugh at your constant worship of AFL and how wonderful their admin are. They would throw money at anything - the GWS farce is proof.

We do market our game to the whole country - theough Pay TV. In fact we are in a place AFL will never ever be - international. And when we DID have dots on the map, many of the dots ruined it in their suicidal bid for Murdoch $.

RL is the code that LEAST needs to throw money away. It is also the code that LEAST needs to expand.

 

[Brutus]

People have a far greater chance to watch NRL in Adelaide now than when Saints and Balmain packed Adelaide Oval.

It's no good throwing money at a market that has shown in the past not to be interested.

Really?

Gee we tried real hard to convert them didn't we.

 

[Goddo]

you can only become a fan of something if you get an opportunity to watch it. One game every five years or so is doing nothing to attract people to become fans. A club willing to commit 2-3 games a year to a city, whichever one it is, will develop a fan base in that city over time. Hawthorn are doing it in Tassie, no doubt Port will do it in NT etc. It saddens me that we have so little faith on our "product" that we aren't willing to market it to the whole country. Having said that we can get 15,000+ in Perth and we still have to fight tooth and nail to get one game a year here.

This is what the NRL should be doing. For a $1mill investment the AFL are getting $7mill back for their clubs and infrastructure for the game. Imagine if the NRL admin was this good and the Sharks were getting $1mill a year for taking two games to Darwin!


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/10/19/2717845.htm

I agree. AFL is very good at getting money for nothing and they know how to milk a system for all its worth.

You can bet your a*se that the big winner from a world cup bid will be the AFL. They have some very good political and diplomatic monkeys working in their office.

FFS Hawthorn is going to take some games to NZ starting next year.

We have one monkey on our head office, being wacked with a big stick from different factions in our game, says umm a lot and often looks confused. Initials DG... who am I?

But we do have two big advantages as Loudstrat has pointed out. We are established in the main population growth areas (QLD and NSW) and have an international competition, which is unachievable for the AFL (except gaelic football, which is far more interesting that AFL).

I feel the game has never really been managed well, always been a bit corupt and with alternate interests to whats best for the game. If only we can get the management structure right, things will improve. Hopefully that is sorted out by the end of 2010, then the new commission can take over strategic things leading to 2013 when the new media deal, expansion (Ok, they have said no, but that doesn't mean its not happening) and world cup in England.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

FFS Hawthorn is going to take some games to NZ starting next year.

Are you serious? :lol:

NZ has barely decent crowds for Union and League, I can't wait to see the fumbleball excuses as to why there's a completely empty stadium even after they give away thousands of freebies.

 

[Jeff L]

I suppose Melbourne have worked long and hard to push Rugby Leauge and the Storm but I think they're only ever going to get expat NSWelshmen and their partners and friends and a few sports nuts.

The last time I saw the grand final in Melbourne it was on at 1am in the morning.

In Adelaide the people are AFL. They are very strange, they don't even recognise that you're talking to them about Rugby League, They think you've got the flu or something and are delerious.

Perth, I think has a bit more hope. A lot of expats and a general acceptance of any form of entertainment by a spectacle starved population warrants interest.